Let me tell you what you get for $55000...

Discussion in '2002 BMW M3 Cabriolet' started by BMWM32Nv, Aug 9, 2002.

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    M3 RULE!!!!
     
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    What do you drive?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Who wants to be in a old a$$ chevelle when they can be in an M3 picking up chicks. Or do you like your muscle car more than girls????
     
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    A lot of you guys don't really understand the topic. The Chevelle/any old muscle car with $55000 in upgrades is a better car then this M3. This is a quote from Mopar Man "there was a guy who took a 69 dodge dart with a 340 and a few mods to the engine and suspension .. took it racing and were beating porches and vettes .. early 90's ones mind you but still . it got roughly 20mpg on the highway if ya kept your foot out of it. luxury items well the were few and far between but it was cool what they did to it for under 15grand USD." So don't say that the M3 will out handle this car. This Dart will out handle your M3, but it doesn't look that nice. But you still have $40000 to spend on the interier and body etc. So, you go out buy a body kit, get 20" rims, etc. and you have a sweet car. Of course you should buy a body kit that looks good, but still retains performance. Don't believe me, watch Dr. Dre's videos or any rapper for that matter. I don't have any numbers for Mopar Man's Dodge Dart, but knowing that it was beating Posches and Vettes, it probably could if not beat this M3. If I could choose between the M3 and the old american muscle it would be a hard dicision, but since I would have to go through a lot of trouble to make the muscle car better then the M3, I would take the M3. Plus since I've never seen an old american car with $55000 in upgrades, spent on looks and performance, I would choose the M3 for its looks. Before you make your decision just picture this: one of Dr. Dre's cars (styled the way you like) that can outperform the M3 vs. a M3. The choice is yours.
    Ok lets recap because I know there are far too many idiots on these forms:
    1.Mopar Man stated the american car can outperform the M3
    2.Ugly? Everyone has their own opinion, but look at a rappers video. Check out their old american cars. They not bad looking.
    3.I would take the M3 over the american car because too much hassle.
     
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    <b>A lot of you guys don't really understand the topic. The Chevelle/any old muscle car with $55000 in upgrades is a better car then this M3. This is a quote from Mopar Man "there was a guy who took a 69 dodge dart with a 340 and a few mods to the engine and suspension .. took it racing and were beating porches and vettes .. early 90's ones mind you but still . it got roughly 20mpg on the highway if ya kept your foot out of it. luxury items well the were few and far between but it was cool what they did to it for under 15grand USD." So don't say that the M3 will out handle this car. This Dart will out handle your M3, but it doesn't look that nice. But you still have $40000 to spend on the interier and body etc. So, you go out buy a body kit, get 20" rims, etc. and you have a sweet car. Of course you should buy a body kit that looks good, but still retains performance. Don't believe me, watch Dr. Dre's videos or any rapper for that matter. I don't have any numbers for Mopar Man's Dodge Dart, but knowing that it was beating Posches and Vettes, it probably could if not beat this M3. If I could choose between the M3 and the old american muscle it would be a hard dicision, but since I would have to go through a lot of trouble to make the muscle car better then the M3, I would take the M3. Plus since I've never seen an old american car with $55000 in upgrades, spent on looks and performance, I would choose the M3 for its looks. Before you make your decision just picture this: one of Dr. Dre's cars (styled the way you like) that can outperform the M3 vs. a M3. The choice is yours.
    Ok lets recap because I know there are far too many idiots on these forms:
    1.Mopar Man stated the american car can outperform the M3
    2.Ugly? Everyone has their own opinion, but look at a rappers video. Check out their old american cars. They not bad looking.
    3.I would take the M3 over the american car because too much hassle.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Do you know how dumb you sound. Its obvious that you have never driven a BMW let alone a BMW M3. IF you had ever driven one u would understand the immense difference from a shitty ass dodge dart, that i doubt that mopar guy even had, to a beautifil M3. And where he said he beat vettes, thats cause vettes suck, and porches, thats cause he probably raced them on a straight away thinkin it actually took skill. Second, what the hell does Dr.Dre have anything to do with this conversation. THe only reason they have all those old ass cars is because they lived in the ghetto where they were to #$%#in poor to buy a nice car like a BMW so they tried to make shitty old american cars look good but guess what? THEY DIDNT. Ne ways im sick of you all tryin to say you would rather spend money on a shitty old muscle car than to purchase a M3. Sit in an M3 and youll understand the quality and elegance Germans put into their cars with the huge amount of power on tap of its stock engine. Alls i got to say, PEace
     
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    Well i can tell ya im not gonna read all this. but from the first page i can tell you there are alot of 60s bmws around... i drive a 73 my self and if you ever check out the bmw communities online youll see there are a SHIT load of them out there.

    As for the spending 50K on a chevelle. yes i would kick the shit out of a M3 in a straight line...but hit the curves and that chevelle is done with. now dont get me wrong, i love chevelles.

    But like Car & Driver said in the 60's or 70's when they tested the BMW 2002, they said

    "The Z28 Camaro is a fast car in straight lines, but when you come to the mountainous terrain, all that Z28 will be seeing is the round taillights of the BMW off in the distant"

    So if that was in the 60's with a 100hp bmw vs a Z28 i think the an M3 will just kill it.
     
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    motor bikes still suck ass. ha ha <!-- Signature -->
     
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    all that said, I would prefer a M3 over a $55,000US kit car. $55,000US on a kit car is a bit extreme. wouldnt be very good for everyday use. You only really need to spend about $20,000US to make an awesome kit car.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>...For 55 grand I'd get a decent $5000 '72 Chevelle SS with the 454 cui...I'd spend the rest 50 grand on engine tuning, racing suspension...and the 30 year old Chevelle will EAT this weak ass BMW any day.

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    Get the #$%# out of this forum! I could come up with the example of buying a Civic, suping it up and killing your precious Corvette if I were to follow your gay assed mind set. Ever heard of the terms luxury, technology, safety, quality, longevity, style, HANDLING, etc... All factors which a POS ChevelleSS lack.

    The M3 gives you the performance of a Corvette and the luxury of a Caddilac (in American terms). Name me one American car that does that for $50,000 USD. If you think the M3 overpriced then maybe you should look at your unreliable Corvette with cheap shitty plastic interior that even Hyundai could outdo. And guess what, the Z06 is priced identical to the M3. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Sorry, but a loaded M3 runs about 6,000$ more than a Z06 according to BMW and Chevy's sites. AND he won't talkin bout no corvette dumbshit, he said chevelle. AND my camaro is much cheaper than this shitter and will blow its doors off, WOOHOO GO CAMARO<!-- Signature -->
     
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    OH, and don't call a chevelle a POS, without muscle cars (which were considered sports cars in their day) cars like the M3 probably wouldn't be here. Go the #$%# back to Germany so we can kick your ass again just like we did every time we fought. <!-- Signature -->
     
  11. #11 BMW M, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Hey PABST or whatever your name is, at least you know that you are just trash. And thats great that you have your camaro. But are you really so ignorant to believe that you would be able to beat an M3 on a track? I'm sure you could in a straight line, no one is impressed by that.

    Heres another point, the reason that people talk down about trash is because there is a reason they are trash, mainly because they are highly uneducated. That is why it is hard to take any of the things you say into account when making a decision. Just so you know.

    Hey, aren't they taking the shit mobile camaro off the market? Isn't the M3 one of the hottest things on the market?

    Angus</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> WELl, I don't care bout no dang track times, I race on the street. I'm trash and I don't care, I can still do my research same as any other, educated or not. They're taking the maro off the market with intent to redesign and put it back. Shit, my maro is old, I don't worry much bout them new maros. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Yeah, thats great. When you say you race on the street, what do you mean? You go in a straight line, that is only one aspect of racing. Its so hard to argue with ignorance. This guy is probably a NASCAR fan, and finds Formula 1 racing too confusing with all those right turns.

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    His cheap ass Camaro can't beat an M3 if it's stock. If were comparing modified cars here, then I can say that your Camaro will be embarrassed in a straight line by a Dinan M3, M3 GTR, M3 Laguna Seca etc... So I don't know why he brings up this irrelevant argument. Oh that's right he's uneducated trash like he admitted and that's why we're having this useless argument.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> ARE YOU FUCKING STOOPID BOY??? How many times have I said it, MY CAMARO IS NOT STOCK. LOOK AT MY SGINATURE. IN case you can't to that, here's a link to whats under the hood: http://www.theengineshop.com/engine5.shtml . NO, I don't imagin I'll beat an M3 w/ 675hp hooked to a pro-built M21. NO (again, that there is sarcasm sonny). </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I don't know why you're being sarcastic trash boy, but I'm ending this ridiculous excuse for an argument that you're trying to stir up because no Camaro stock will beat a stock M3 and no Camaro Modified can match the performance of a Modified M3. So why don't you go catch your road kill and fry it on your cheap assed Camaro engine for dinner Cletus.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    its just another culture....
    over here in Europe we don't have these cars....
    Only Ferraris, porsches..etc...
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    Oh just so you guys dont get the wrong impression i do love BMW's ... they are great and i would rather have one than a chevelle anyday .. i was just stickin up for the guy who said what you can do if ya want an alternative .. oh and by the way you can get some great things to make the old muscle cars stop .... turn and even help the mpg not that anyone really care about that if you can afford one in the first place!!!
     
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    <b>man, another typical American...or an American wanna be. Gas mileage on the chevelle, not to mention safety, build quility, looks, and the fact that driving one ensures your status as a hick are all huge let downs when compared to any modern car, let alone a BMW.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oh, come on!! who cares about gas milage?
    And you mentioned saftey....tell me how safe is a BMW 3-series convertible ?? if the car flips over, you're dead...
    Build quality....are you trying to say that General Motors did not produce quailty cars in the 60Žs and 70Žs ??? How many 60Žs beamers are still running today?
    Looks? well, I rather drive something that doesn't look like every other car in the street.

    Besides, you're all missing the point - I'm just saying that BMWs are overpriced cars and that if I had 55 grand to spend on front engine/rwd convertible car, I'd get a used Viper or an old muscle car - That's it - and that's how I think.

    Everbodys got a right to an opinion.
     
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    you do know that therer is a fine line between MUSCLE CAR and SPORTS CAR, and i think this car clearly fits into the sports car arena a lot better than it would the muscle car arena. Muscle cars are known for brute force with a downside in ride comfort, luxury, exclusivity, and everyday usability. I'll bet that big 454ci transplany gets about 14-17 MPG on the highway, but the beamer is guaranteed to get 16 MPG in the city which will make up for itself over time regardless of how much you pay for the chevelle. Oh yeah, not to mention that BMW's engines tend to go for about 4-5 times as many miles as the chevelle's gas hungry 454ci engine. Many people seem to think that straight-line acceleration is the only thing that matters when it comes to automobiles. What about safetly, handling, braking, suspension and everyday usability. Which the beamer kicks the chevelles ass anytime, anyplace.

    I still think the chevelle is a pimp ass car, but it should not be compared to this car by any means. They are in two totally different categories of cars.
     
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    SwedelBROCK, your the one missing the point of this car. And I bet there are cars that could slaughter your 72 SS for cheaper, so does that make that car over priced?

    The point of this car is that it is fun, stylish, and yes safe. The chances of rolling this are pretty damn low. The airbag and saftey features on BMW's are extremly good. This car is probably safer than the SS by a long shot. It is also a totally different image. What your saying is equally true and irelevant.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    first off you are a complete moron for even compairing a european car to an american. Bmw has the slogan the ultimate driving machine for a reason. the m3 is one of the best cars on the road for the fact that a person could get the luxury of bmw and then also be able to blow away almost anyone. you must have never driven or even driven in a m3 because it gives you a great ride. but the 72ss on the other hand its not exactly a smooth ride and it is real loud. lastly ....you will maybe be able to spend less on a 1/4 mile car but the repairs and the constant problems you will get with it will curtainly make up for it. and dont forget...."we looked perfection in the eye and perfection blinked".....bmw m3

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    Even being a huge Euro proponent, comments like "stupid for even comparing a european car to an american car" are not only short-sighted but incredibly inflammitory.
    This car is MILES safer than a Chevelle, and they are 2 totally different cars. I prefer a sportscar far more than a musclecar, so I'd go with this. And there are many thousands of 1960's BMW's on the streets, thank you very much.
    By your reasoning, you also think anybody that buys a Corvette is stupid as well, because "you could get so much more with less" than the $45K you'd spend on a base C5. The "I could buy and tune a used car for less" argument is not only tired but pointless, since everybody knows that it's true in many ways. But it could never reach the same level of comfort, sophistication, and balanced handling, which are most of the reasons you buy this kind of car anyway, so the Chevelle can't compare no matter what you do to it's 1/4 mile time.

    P.S. When I buy my 67-69 Mach 1, most of the initial money is going into suspenion and chassis modification. Go AutoX!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    No matter how well you fine tune that Chevelle w/ $50,000, the only thing it will beat the M3 are only 3 things:

    Horsepower
    Drag Strip
    Insurance cost
    Gas-gulping engine
    Maintainance cost (INCLUDES gas, oil, additives [to "raise" the octane], etc.)

    A modified car of any kind can't get its full power unless they use at least 95 octane gas. (most use 98-100+ octane)

    Its normally pretty obvious to most people that you can't "fine tune" a car with 50 grand unless you have a truckload of info on in and know EXACTLY which parts go along for maximum performance and balance, especially weight distribution and handling.
     
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    look, you can't even begin to put the M3 against a chevelle.

    They are BOTH VERY nice cars. but you can't play them off against each other for one simple reason. one is a modern day large engined coupe and the other is an old american muscle car.

    i think a chevelle with that kind of money spent on it, could probably beat the M3 on a straight line quarter mile burnout. but round a course it wouldn't stand a chance with the sloppy handling. against an M3, the BMW OBVIOUSLY wins because of its modern, developed handling.

    anyway on a lighter note your both FAR off. for $55,000 i think i'd have to go for a 1966, dodge charger!!!

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  21. ...For 55 grand I'd get a decent $5000 '70 Chevelle SS with the 454 cui...I'd spend the rest 50 grand on engine tuning, racing suspension...and the 30 year old Chevelle will EAT this BMW any day.

     
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    Yeah you could do that to a lot of cars. No suprise there. Everyone knows that.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Cheezwizfire</i>
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    Yes, that's my point. I just made an example and there's no need to be smart about it.

    Muscle cars are cheap and easy to tune and there's obviously not a whole lot of people that knows that.


     
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    Man all you seem to think about is horsepower. Don't you get what luxury, looks, comfort and exclusivity is all 'bout?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Madhav</i>
    <b>Man all you seem to think about is horsepower. Don't you get what luxury, looks, comfort and exclusivity is all 'bout?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Who cares about luxury when it comes to high performance sports-cars/driving machines...

    If I wanted luxury and comfort I'd get Navigator or Escalade or something like that.
     

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