Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package 7:14 lap?

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  1. #26 Guibo, Sep 6, 2011
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    This test session coincided with LFA owners being invited to learn more about their cars on the Nordschleife. 'Ring edition buyers will receive personalized training (this time on a closed circuit), plus a year's pass on the 'Ring. Journalists were also on hand to try the 'Ring edition and standard car too. Not 'taxi-rides,' but unusually for a supercar release, Lexus gave some of them free reign to lap as fast as they wanted on the Nordschleife, short of crashing obviously.

    Autocar's Andrew Frankel noted:
    "Still coming down from yesterday - LFA 'Ring edition, with said track to myself. No rules, no chaperones. Just enjoy they said. So I did."

    Here's his report:
    http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Lexus-LF-A-4.8-Nurburgring-package/258962/

    Russian TopGear editor:


    Autoweek.nl editor:
     
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  3. blah blah who cares
    the lfa owned the shit out of your precious crapvette and vipshit
    owned
     
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  5. #30 thebarron1989, Sep 6, 2011
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  6. #31 SupraMan, Sep 6, 2011
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  7. yeah were not talking about the lfa here kid
    only an american car lover could be this stupid
     
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  9. #34 Guibo, Sep 7, 2011
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    Squishy seats...squishy bushings/suspension...anachronistic-feeling gearshift...brake fade (on only the second lap)..."dull around the edges. There's less precision in the movements than other cars here"
    Then there's the iffy build quality and dated interior design. Not to mention a Corvette around every corner. Yes, I'd trade the LFA for that.

    This is supposed to be the pinnacle of GM's track prowess, a car with over half a century of constant refinement, made better by Cup tires, magnetic suspension that can read and adapt to road surfaces in mere milliseconds, and the experience of multiple ALMS and Le Mans class titles. Yet...2 seconds faster than the first ever Lexus supercar loaded to the teeth with luxury, fixed dampers, and relatively normal street tires?
     
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  11. #36 Guibo, Sep 7, 2011
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    Despite what some misinformed sites might say, this is not the 20.8km full course, but the standard 20.6km circuit used by other manufacturers and Sport Auto.
     
  12. #37 Tipo F130A, Sep 7, 2011
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    Anymore media pictures, or the source of them?
     
  13. #38 Guibo, Sep 7, 2011
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  14. very cool car, but lap times aren't very important
     
  15. straightaways are straights duh, read my posts...straightaways like the long part of a shaft DUH
     
  16. In my opinion the LFA would have plenty going for it even if it never turned a wheel on that track. The engine and sound alone put it up there with the best supercars.
     
  17. I feel the same. Whether it's a 7:14 lap or a 7:44 lap, it wouldn't change my mind were I in a position to realistically buy this car. (And by that I mean both financially and being able to see past the badge, which some aren't.) A fast lap is nice to have, but far from essential.
     
  18. 2 Seconds is pretty significant in a track this size and the vette has less power and built on very small budget compared to the lfa and is less powerful and had only 6 years of development versus 10 for the Lexus. CAPOW
     
  19. It's only signficant to racers who race these cars. How many people can you name that actually race their bone stock cars? And how do you know its brakes wouldn't fade even more on the 10th lap? Or drop a valve like some other Z06s?
    If lap times are so significant, GM should be outselling Porsche handily. Yet it doesn't, even with a much lower transaction price.

    Less power, but also less weight (239 lbs) and more torque (470 lb-ft vs 354). And tires that are not only 20-30mm fatter, but also stickier. If the LFA isn't impressive, then neither is the Z06.

    Are you telling me there has never been a Corvette built 6 years ago?
    It's more like 5 years for the LFA in the form that we know it now; halfway through, they switched from aluminum to CF. Read user reviews and roadtests, by people who have actually driven one, and you'll see the difference those 5-10 years can make vs the 50+ years of the Corvette:
    Great interior design and quality that smells of fine leather; not resins
    Full lux amenities including nav, Levinson sound system, back up camera; plus head, seatbelt, and knee airbags
    Seats that don't rock around
    Instant throttle response
    Engine that sounds like *that*
    Brakes that don't fade in 2 laps
    A frame that doesn't flex going up driveways

    Oh, and in case you don't yet realize it, the LFA you're talking about is the *slow* version. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  20. Indeed, a $300,000 premium will buy you those luxuries.
    <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    Either way, both cars are amazing. In fact, the LF-A is probably the only car that looks good in yellow.
     
  21. This is probably the first time that a vette with the brake upgrade suffering from significant brake fade so it maybe something else.

    The price of the car doesn't mean it will sell more. The brand prestige also matters when it comes to sales. Porsche also has alot more variants than the corvette as well.

    Does it really matter that they switched one material for another for a piece of the car? That's what development of the project is all about. Multiple projects of all aspects have goals that are desired to be accomplished but sometimes throughout the development vehicle certain things have to change, I'm sure through the development of other cars there were other changes that had to be done which may have done better for the car or made it worse but that don't mean they erased the the whole board across unless they forgot to hit to save button on there previous work on the car.

    Now as for the luxury of about the cars. Who said I comparing luxury we are comparing lap times....luxury is nonexistent to lap times the corvettes was developed on a limited budget and since it's a sports car its going to be designed for more emphasis on performance, performance designed to take on more expensive supercars such as the LFA. The LFA is a supercar/gt with track performance in mind with a huge budget to use for development.

    Now that we got that cleared the Z06 beat by significant margin the LFA. The LFA nurburgring edition may close in on those 2 seconds the Z06 and maybe go a little faster but then again there's the even faster ZR1 with it's own new upgrades That is already much faster than the Z06. CAPOW
     
  22. 2 seconds is irrelevant when this thread isnt even about the same model that was tested in your shitty little article

    owned
     
  23. How is the brake package on this Corvette different from the brakes on all the other Z07-equipped Z06s that have been tested?

    Assuming two products are similar, shouldn't the cheaper one sell in higher volumes? And tell me how Porsche got that brand prestige. Don't tell me it's because they lap faster in mag tests, because they don't. What you're admitting to is that lap times really don't matter in the grand scheme. (And they don't.)
    Variants...OK, we'll compare Turbo Coupe ($130k+) vs ZR1 ($100k): ~3000/yr vs ~ 800/yr.

    Here's why it matters: When you build the die and tooling to stamp aluminum bodies, you don't use that equipment for carbon fiber lay up work. Totally different machines. Toyota had to either buy or develop their own carbon fiber loom (which you *don't* build aluminum with). Then you have the different structural properties of each material. This will have an effect on the crash safety and crumple zone design (and probably secondary concerns of vibrations, acoustics, etc). With the carbon, you can't just screw in the aluminum subframes; you need a method to joining them (and Toyota developed just that for the LFA). Next, you have to retrain the personnel. Those guys who welded or bonded aluminum together now have to learn how to produce CF components, in-house.

    We are comparing CARS. Luxury is a part of it. Even GM brags about the "premium driving environment" and "rich leather coverings" inside the Corvette. The LFA is a supercar/GT with almost *everything* in mind and that means interior as well. Objective performance was pretty far down on the list of objectives. Don't you think if they had cared so much, they would have used R-compound semi-slicks?

    ZR1 is a lot faster...On the 'Ring (which should theoretically favor a higher horsepower Corvette), it turned out to be 3 seconds faster. BFD.
     
  24. you two guys seem like a couple of clowns arguing over them.

    ZR1/Z06 = low budget supercar performance, bang for the buck, brutal and raw

    LFA = refined, unique, exclusive, luxurious super car of the highest build quality

    these cars have completely different target buyers, different goals, and very different budgets.... they are both awesome in their own right, but besides laptimes (which 99% of drivers couldn't touch) there is really no reason to seriously compare them... im fairly certain no one is cross-shopping these particular cars.
     
  25. "How is the brake package on this Corvette different from the brakes on all the other Z07-equipped Z06s that have been tested?"

    What I was reffering to on the brake issue was its the first time a Z07 equipped corvette would suffer from brake fade in such a short time given that many reviews and people I know have praised the brakes of the Z07 package.

    "Assuming two products are similar, shouldn't the cheaper one sell in higher volumes?"

    Normally that is the case however it also depends on how many of such model are being produced and how many of those are being sold.

    "And tell me how Porsche got that brand prestige."

    Porsche has had its prestige from its rich and long racing history and good track prowess of many of its production cars.

    "What you're admitting to is that lap times really don't matter in the grand scheme. (And they don't.)"

    I never said Lap times increases sales or whatsoever. What I'm doing is comparing the 2 vehicles in the one thing that they are built to do, run laps around the track.


    "we'll compare Turbo Coupe ($130k+) vs ZR1 ($100k): ~3000/yr vs ~ 800/yr"

    These dont even compete with one another. Turbo is a AWD and is heavier and rear seats and slower. The GT2 is more of a ZR1 competitor at that since both arent mass produced relatively speaking.

    "Here's why it matters: When you build the die and tooling to stamp aluminum bodies, you don't use that equipment for carbon fiber lay up work....etc."

    Thats what Development is all about and how budget costs comes into place. Lexus knew that if they went ahead with retooling and retraining, it would cost alot more money and alot more years if they took that route, which they did. Or they could have stuck with the aluminum materials and continue development like that which made the car more expensive to build and to sell. Stated the information you posted is true and I happily agree on that, thats what makes the LFA so special; it was given an huge budget and virtually no deadline which allowed the LFA to be car it is today. If it was given deadline as many production cars of today, the LFA would be completely different from what it is.

    "We are comparing CARS. Luxury is a part of it"

    We are comparing the cars performance specifically because its the only thing that these two cars have in common. One car is a car developed for mass production with a limited budget and without using parts that arent to expensive for the consumer and also developed with a deadline set for it. The other car is a car with intentions to be produced in limited quantities and with a high budget and with no apparent deadline giving it all the time it needed to become what it is today and with each part of the vehicle customed made just for it making the parts very expensive.











     

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