Max says F1 teams don't innovate

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  1. #1 daisho13, Dec 11, 2008
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    Probably because every time they do you fUcking ban it you twat.
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    http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4622787,00.html

    Max Mosley feels the desire of Formula One teams for refinement over innovation has played its part in the recent crippling of the sport.

    Mosley has been left exasperated by the exorbitant amounts of money spent over the years on components of which spectators are unaware and which have done little to improve the show.

    In roundly condemning the teams, the FIA president insisted such improvements were "utterly pointless".

    Mosley's prime example is of a team that uses 1,000 lightweight wheel nuts per season that are shipped from California and discarded after a single use, at a cost of £800,000 a year.

    It is the kind of excess Mosley is determined to curtail in order to keep the sport alive.

    "What is wrong with F1 was wrong before any of the current economic problems cropped up, and essentially it is because of the rules," said Mosley.

    "You might well say that the rules are made by the FIA, so it is the FIA's fault.

    "In a sense that is true because the rules in Formula One are ever more restrictive, compressing the work of the engineers into an ever smaller area.

    "But we had to do that otherwise the speeds of the cars would have risen to a point where the safety precautions on the circuit, and the cars themselves, would have become inadequate.

    "So now these huge teams, with between 700 to 1,000 employees, are constantly searching for tiny incremental gains on their car.

    "Success in Formula One today consists of optimising every single tiny detail on the chassis to the absolute, ultimate degree, and that is extremely expensive, but also utterly pointless.

    "One example is that the wheels on one of the teams are made so light that they regularly fail when the tyres are put on them.

    "But that team, like all the others, is looking for every tiny increment of performance.

    "This has created a mentality in Formula One where the engineers are really only comfortable in refinement.

    "They don't really do innovation, and that is destroying Formula One."

    However, Mosley and the nine remaining teams - following the demise of Honda - that make up the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) were yesterday involved in a landmark meeting in Monte Carlo.

    Described as "the most successful meeting on Formula One matters any of the participants can remember", agreement has been reached on measures to meet the objectives originally proposed by Mosley for 2010 and beyond.

    It will see the introduction of a standard engine, with four teams ready to sign up, a dramatic reduction in testing and the use of a wind tunnel, and a further curtailment on aerodynamics.

    The meeting has also led to FOTA making proposals "relating to very significant cost savings in 2009, while maintaining Formula One at the pinnacle of motor sport and reinforcing its appeal."
     
  2. LOL, all this technical regulations and now the standard engine and gearbox keep them away from any innovation

    Mad Max Mosley at his best, more sex and drugs please!
     
  3. kill him already
     
  4. set performance limits.
    it lets the engineers be creative in reaching those limits and searching for ways to maximise performance within those parameters (eg, a 900hp limit will force teams to make more efficient on fuel and have better torque curves).
     
  5. "They don't really do innovation, and that is destroying Formula One." I laughed at this comment, because it's he that's ruining the sport.
     
  6. I'm going to write to some team and ask if they can send me a wheel nut. Probably not Ferrari though, because they'd rather die than give something away :/


    PS So there's going to be one engine?
     
  7. you do realize you're looking at a cost of about 1k pounds for a wheel nut
     
  8. When is this guy gonna go into comedy? He's killin me
     
  9. Don't give up on Ferrari just yet... ask Nigel Stepney for some help
     
  10. Since they are apparently discarded.. why not? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> Unless they aren't discarded and Mosely lies.
     
  11. I think they get sent away to be melted down and what not.
     
  12. It is funny, because it is true. Of course this is what the rules were meant to do. They make spending more and more money mean less and less and less gains on the race track. This allows teams that spend less money to be much more competitive.

    "Success in Formula One today consists of optimising every single tiny detail on the chassis to the absolute, ultimate degree, and that is extremely expensive, but also utterly pointless."

    This is totally true. The rules make the teams chase further and further down these dead end streets that are totally pointless and have nothing to do with road cars.
     
  13. That's not really discarded then <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  14. standard engine, with four teams ready to sign up, a dramatic reduction in testing and the use of a wind tunnel, and a further curtailment on aerodynamics.

    HAHA, sounds like they're going even further away from innovation, no ones going to come up with new stuff if they can't test it into the ground, the race result is too precious for that. Anyone remember the firebreathing, turbocharged, ground effects cars? I yearn for Group C style innovation in Formula 1. Never again, not the way its headed now. Honda made an incredibly brave and smart move, not just for the economic reason, but by seeing all the shitty rules to come.
     
  15. "What is wrong with F1 was wrong before any of the current economic problems cropped up, and essentially it is because of the rules"
    Sums it up perfectly.
     
  16. I suggested this a few weeks ago, and I still think its the best solution.

    Max and Bernie are the ones ruining F1, they are like a abusive parents who don't understand what they are doing is wrong.
     

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