Minister Tadeusz Tabencki (PL) Car Collection

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  1. #1 basman007, Jul 13, 2011
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    Minister Tadeusz Tabincki (PL) Car Collection

    Any pictures of this collection?

    "After the war, it was confiscated by Mr. Tadeusz Tabincki, Polish Minister of Transport to include in his collection of other incredible German cars. It remained there with registration KP-33-33 until 1960 when it was discreetly sold and later bodied with a replica Bugatti Atllantic body."

    http://www.supercars.net/cars/3775.html
     
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    I'll ask my uncle, he knows a lot of people in Poland (not necessarily car related), someone ought to know something.
     
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    cool, thanks
     
  4. #4 Madertus, Jul 15, 2011
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    Minister Tadeusz Tabincki (PL) Car Collection

    His second name is TabEncki <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> Lots of foreigners mistake it because of pronunciation.

    His collection is... I mean was... one of the most amazing in Poland, if not the one. Unfortunately, we have too much dumbasses who would love to steal something this unique. And thus, all left today is remains of these incredible machines - sometimes I'm ashamed for being a Pole.

    Anyway, here is a video for you, basman007 - remains of Tabencki's collection. Shot in 2003.



    Translation:

    1:03 - 1:29 "Alright, the concept was - a grandpa wanted to have a field filled with rides. He was working on un-register-ing the cars or he simply bought the registration certificate with the ride itself for a botlle of vodka, and he brang the cars to the field. But the grandpa died - some idiot inherited it. After some time the cars started to disappear. The people were coming, they were taking what they could, everything got devastated to a hopeless condition. Most of these cars are now impossible to save."

    1:57 - 2:12 "Let's go - Ford Capri Mk.1, second half '60s, engine V4 1500. The interior - Black Sky. Half a year ago this ride was incredible. Get in, start the engine... Now bull$#!7."

    2:42 - 3:01 "Yeah, Opel GT, year 60-something... totally f***ed... It was complete. Now it's all creased... What you can possibly tear is all torn... Also bull$#!7, rather no future for it."

    3:35 - 3:55 "This is a corpse. I don't exactly know what it is, it's just devastated and without possibility to watch it. Not automatic yet, totally 'Rambler-ly' ride. Huge, black, black backseats... Black everything. Two-door sedan."

    4:29 - 4:46 this fragment was pretty hard to translate. Anyway: "We could earn a bit of extra cash for them." (you know, get a ride, bring it back to life, sell it for more than you spent for it)
    "I don't know how much..."
    "It's the only option, selling the rest. I don't know if you'll like it... At first you'd have to live here, I guess..."
    "People totally f***ed this place."

    Comments say that the 'grandpa' was a serious car collector. Western magazines of '70s placed his collection amongst the finest in Europe. I don't have the pics, but there were rides such as Mercedes-Benz SSK, two Maybachs (one Zeppelin!), Fiat 133 and lots of other rides seen in the video.

    His son Waclaw - in an article for a magazine 'Kulisy' - says that Mr. Tabencki had a huge Mercedes 540K, the one 'starring' in the movie 'The Night of the Generals' (French: 'La Nuit des Generaux'). Peter O'Toole drove this one. Said to consume 50 liters of petrol per 100 kilometers. He also owned two racing Bugattis, two Alfa Romeos, a sporty Dixi, Volskwagen KDF from '40s... Some say that he had the legendary Mercedes' Silver Arrow from 30s!

    If you want, I can translate the whole article for you.

    Tabencki had a collection of jaw-dropping 500 cars! They say that 30, maybe 40 MIGHT still be saved.

    I hope that Mr. Tabencki's son is gonna live long, knowing what has he done.
     
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    thanks for all the effort you took translating that! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    This is a list I came across earlier, probably just a small portion:
    - Mercedes-Benz 540K Spezial Roadster (to auto znalazł we Wrocławiu, należało do Hermana Goeringa, a mój tata jechał nim do ślubu<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> )
    - Mercedes-Benz W196 (auto przeznaczone tylko do wyścigów na torach)
    - Mercedes-Benz 770 "Grosser"
    - Bugatti Type 39
    - Bugatti Type 57 x 2 (w tym jedno unikatowe z nadwoziem Voll&Ruhrbeck - polecam znaleźć foto tego auta w google; artykuł o nim jest też w nowym numerze polskiego miesięcznika ClassicAuto)
    - BMW 328
    - Maybach Zeppelin
    - Maybach DS8
    - Alfa Romeo 8c 2900
    .... i wiele wiele innych. Większość aut widział mój Ojciec, ja tylko część.


    And this shows, just like your vid, whats left in the hands of his son:
    https://picasaweb.google.com/cezary.kepka/Tabencki?feat=directlink


    Is it correct that Tabencki confiscated all these cars (in germany) and kept them for himself?
     
  6. #6 Madertus, Jul 18, 2011
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    Minister Tadeusz Tabincki (PL) Car Collection

    Brackets say:
    Mercedes 540K - this one was found in Wroclaw, it belongd to Herman Goering and this member's dad used this car for his wedding.
    Mercedes W196 - only for race tracks.
    Bugatti 57 x 2 - one of them had a unique Voll & Ruhrbeck body. It's the one you included in your first post in this thread.

    I saw the same list today - text in the post also says:

    Tabencki, after 1945, was travelling around Poland and Germany and he was taking luxury cars whose owners died or diappeared in the WWII, and he was supposedly giving them to the Ministry of Transport. Anyway, he took most of his findings himself and kept them in a 'safe' place in Grodzisk Mazowiecki (near Warsaw). I'll try to find it on Google Earth today. He owned cars some of which could be worth - even today - over 1'000'000 $.

    In 1989 he was beaten to death. Even at the day of his funeral some f**kbags stole a few cars from there. Tabencki's neighbors were not in their houses then.

    Also, check this out, some nice pictures of this wrecked collection:
    http://www.graty.fora.pl/inne,8/gratowy-ogrodek-grodzisk-mazowiecki,350.html

    One more - do you want me to translate the article mentioned in my previous post?
     
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    He was beaten to death?! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A> why?

    As for the translation of that article, I'm very interested in reading that, but only if it isn't too much trouble for you <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Beating him to death was a result of threatening.

    Tadeusz Tabencki's life is shrouded in mystery - amount of versions of stories about him and the collection is equal to amount of people telling them.

    Anyway, the article will be ready in a few hours. Maybe I'll find something out by the way <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    A'ight man, here it is! Took like 3 hours. It was worth it anyway, just read it. I had a few problems with translation but I hope it's clear and understandable <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    And remember it's an article from 2003!

    'The mystery of stolen collection'
    'How the most amazing classic car collection disappeared'
    Text: Rafal Jablonski - 'Kulisy' 3/2003

    'They robbed me again. They took a piece of Jaguar and BMW' - Waclaw Tabencki's (Tadeusz's son) breaks down in the phone. - 'It's the second theft in this year. Poland's biggest collection of classic cars is disappearing before our eyes.'

    'They're stealing because nobody lives there and nobody watches the area.' - says Tomasz Skrzelinski, the president of Classic Cars Club.

    'How am I supposed to keep an eye on that?' - Waclaw Tabencki outrages - 'Do not show my second name, change it. For security.'

    'That's an old house, in which we don't live since 40 years. I live in Milanowek (it's a bit to North-East from Grodzisk Mazowiecki), or in my daughter's place in Warsaw. I happen to be near the cars once in a while. I'm checking what was stolen. And if I won't see any difference, I'll know it anyway - some people call me regularly and they offer me some parts. The bastards think I'll buy my own stuff...'

    Two years ago (morning) Tabencki noticed that most of rides in the garage have their hoods lifted up. - 'It loooked as if they were preparing photos of cars' engines. They surely tried to create an offer for other stealers.' Waclaw Tabencki shows an Opel GT with its frontlights torn off.

    'He wanted to have a museum.'

    'My family has always loved cars.' - Tabencki says. His father's collection was literally legendary. Since early '50s he was delivering cars from all over Poland. He had a gigantic Mercedes-Benz 540K (I mentioned this ride in one of my previous posts before).

    He also had two racing Bugattis, two Alfa Romeos, two Maybachs (one Zeppelin, the luxury convertible with engine from German blimp), sporty Dixi and tens of other rare rides.

    'That was the most amazing collection in Poland which almost nobody has seen.' - president Skrzelinski recalls - 'Old Tabencki wsa approached as if he was a guru. If he wanted to, he was talking with us. What power was that! I bought a ride once and he said he's got a few of those.'

    According to Juliusz Siudzinski, collector and renovator of old cars, that was the biggest collection in Poland. Over 50 good vehicles. Nearly every single one working. - 'How much is left? They say that MAYBE 30 or 40. They still can be fixed, but it involves some serious money.' - Siudzinski is sorrow - 'After Tadeusz's death nobody was interested in that.'

    'Tabencki's collection was the biggest in Poland indeed.' - says president Skrzelinski - 'But now Mikiciuk's museum in Otrebusy is the biggest one. He says to own over 300 vehicles, but there are both buses and wing-less planes' wrecks in need of reparations. How much working rides? I don't know - 20 or 50...'

    There are -teen private collections in Poland, ranging from 3 to 15 vehicles. Tomasz Skrzelinski counts that Bartnicki family from Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki (another small town near Warsaw - about 20-30 km North-East. Awesome town, I lived there for 12 years :D ) has about 10 cars; they sold two Adlers recently. Jan Peda in Gostynin has 15 cars, garage 'Nostalgia' in Lodz has -teen rides from 60s, and 'unreleased' Cadillac collection in Breslau consists of about 30 cars.

    How was Tabencki's collection created? Juliusz Siudzinski recalls that Tadeusz had quite a collection before the WWII, and he was driving a new Bugatti himself. After the war he was working in transport department and he was able to find out who unregisters old cars. He visited the owners and cheaply bought half-wrecked rides, which he renovated afterwards.

    'At the beginning of 70s he wanted to create a museum, he asked Warsaw's government to give him some cash, but the officials were not interested in building a place for a private collection.' - says Skrzelinski - 'After Tadeusz's death I visited his family and asked them what are their plans about the collection. I offered my help but it didn't work.'

    'We could take the whole collection to the deposit but Tabencki's son was not interested.' - says Henryk Twardowski, president of Technic Museum - 'We were not even planning buying them, for we were in debts and had no money for our current 'prosperity'.'

    'Cars in a checkerboard'

    We stand on a big possession to be found near Grodzisk Mazowiecki. Old barred house, two warehouses and some big, plate-made garages. And about 70 rusty cars around.

    'Dad placed them in a special order so it's harder to steal the best vehicles.' - Waclaw Tabencki recalls - 'The cars are set like a checkerboard. And most of them have no wheels to roll. But for this, we would see nothing here. Right here they destroyed the wall and they carried out pieces of Volkswagen KDF from 1940, so-called 'drawer'.' - Waclaw shows destroyed side of concrete magazine. 'These are the pillars between which the builders put plates reinfroced with steel. Somebody stroke them until they broke. Then, they used a crowbar to crease the bars. And so they got inside.'

    'Some years ago the policemen who arrived after next thievery adviced to finally clean this mess up and put those cars in rows, but it would only make thieves' job easier.' - says Tomasz Skrzelinski.

    In the corner of possession Tabencki shows a crowbar laying on the ground. - 'That's nothing, a long time ago I found a ram with two handles for wall crushing.'

    When he thought he knows all thieves' 'tactics', it turned out that they were entering one of the garages... through the roof. And then they disassembled unique Jaguar SS 100 and BMW 327 over hours.

    'The second one is truly unique. It has three carbureto4rs. Only 81 of such machines were created before the war.' - Waclaw can't get over the losses - 'Yard is filled with wrecks. What can't be found there... Chevrolets from '50s, Fiat Multipla from '60s, hunchbanked Warszawas (beautiful Polish cars) and 6-cylinder BMW 340. On this scrapheap there are 5 of those. Crushed walls are hard to repair, because there's nothing to weld iron bars to. Pure concrete. The roof is unrepairable too - everything is torn out. But the most trouble is caused by thieves' padlocks. Burglars cut the 'default' ones, they searched the cars through and then they mounted their own padlocks. They had circular saws and giant 'pincers' for cutting steel. They were destroying my means of security professionaly. And I was trying to cut their padlock with a saw for half a day.' - Tabencki is annoyed. He couldn't do it and he left it. There's not much left inside anyway.

    'In the garage - dismembered wreck'

    'There's not much left from the BMW' - Tabencki outrages - 'They took the engine, dashboard, seats, differential and fenders. And this ride closer to us - it's a rare version of Jaguar. At first they stole the cooler. Why didn't I disassemble it? I had no consience for that, I couldn't. My father put them to pieces and repaired them!'

    'One sold, another one exported'

    Tabencki has loads of old pictures. And sport licenses. - 'In 1968 I held journalists' speed record set with Zastava made by myself. It was 136 KPH/85 MPH. After a few weeks someone broke my record with a Trabant - 140 KPH/87,5 MPH. Oh, and in '50s dad was Poland's champion in racing with his legendary Bugatti.

    'He seriously had two Buggatis.' - Juliusz Siudzinski recalls with tenderness - 'I saw one of them. It stood on Aleje Jerozolimskie street, on the terrain of Truszynski's Courses. Private driving lessons. Later they changed the name to League of Soldiers' Friends. This Buggy stood there and wsa disturbing the men taking care of the trash. So old Tabencki took it - he used the second one for racing.'

    According to president Skrzelinski: In Canada, there was a classic-cars-in-Poland-catalogue released. It said that in '60s one Bugatti was exported in pieces from Poland. Supposedly, it 'went' to Western Berlin, and then to Ontario. It's likely that it's one of Tabencki's Bugattis - a few names of its Polish owners were listed. One of them was Tadeusz Tabencki.

    'It was said since a long time in automobile half-world that one of Tabencki's Bugattis is in one of Switzerland's bar as a decoration. I heard it's lent for the owner of this bar.' - recalls Jan T., he wants to remain anonymous.

    According to - once again - Tomasz Skrzelinski, there are some presumptive evidences that some of Polish collectors grew their collections after thefts experienced by Tabencki. - 'There are some sets which nobody looks at. Very good cars standing in closed, restricted to everyone, air-conditioned rooms. It's property of some rich people.' - says car journalist S., also anonymous - 'These are thievish collections.'

    In one of those more known collections, Waclaw Tabencki spotted 16 positions which reminded him something. - 'Cars, motorcycles - they were exactly the same as those stolen from me. But I don't know if they were mine or just similar...'

    How many Bugattis were there in Poland? Tabencki had two. After summing up the gossip, it turns out to be four of 'em...

    'I'm never going to believe this.' - cuts Tomasz Skrzeliński.

    'Police was called many times'

    There were months with 10 even thefts.

    'They were stealing from Tadeusz all the time.' - says Tabencki's neighbour, Ms. Jaskiewicz. - 'Mostly they took some parts.'

    'His other neighbour, Ms. Dworakowska, caled police many times wehen she spotted some people sniffing around the cars. - as a punishment, they sprayed her house's front wall with a greeting 'An old whore lives here.'' - Tabencki shows painted text.

    'I walked into them in a garage once, when theye were disassembling Czech car Aero 1000. Beautiful, red convertible. They rushed at me. I barely escaped. They were shouting after me - 'We're gonna f***ing kill you here!!!'. Another time I was working with one of the cars, and here comes a towing truck, a guy gets out of it and shouts 'What are you doing with those rides?! Are they yours?!' And he was wanted to enter the land as if it belonged to him. So I said 'Whose...?' - Waclaw laughs here - 'He was so pissed. He came here to steal, and I destroyed his job. How do I know it was his purpose here? This is the end of the road - it's blind.'

    'They were stealing everything from him.' - says Skrzelinski - 'Even Volvo engine. This was stolen from old Tabencki yet, like 7-8 years ago.'

    'That was amazing motor of British Jensen number 00448, put into a Swedish ride. Made by Jaguar for a special order. New costed 35'000 pounds.' - Mr. Waclaw shows wreck next to the fence. - 'The engine was taken.'

    'Once, in the house - the new one - they assaulted mom and dad. They were beaten. And after father's death, exactly two weeks, two rigs came there and robbed us from everything.'

    'I saw the attic, nobody was allowed there. Clocks, badges, car meters and model trains. Tens and hundreds of trains.' - president Skrzelinski recalls - 'Supposedly, Tadeusz Tabencki had the second biggest collection of small trains in Europe. Revelation, over 150 Maerklin sets.'

    'He was collecting through all his life.' - says Mr. Waclaw - 'There was one of two Lionel sets known to the world. Worth tens of thousands pounds.'

    'The oldest model train lovers say that old Tabencki, after the war, 'met' Goering model trains in Wroclaw. And he took possession over them. There were some incredible stories about his collection.' - says Andrzej Brzozowski, president of Warsaw's Club of Railway Modellers - 'Not many were lucky enough to see even a part of this collection. Nobody has ever seen it as a whole. You say it was stolen 6 years ago? They must have been specialists about models, not some random thieves.'

    Some time after the grand theft, Tabencki was visited by two gentlemen. They did not look like collectors. - 'They said that they can help me with formalities of succession and then they'll buy the cars from me. Am I stupid? I'll sign the documents and then they'll find me on the tree? As if I hung myself because of despair.' - Tabencki shakes his head.

    'Famous people'

    In the biggest Tabencki's building the light shines on o crushed wall and torn roof. There's a 2-liter Lancia belonging to Italian ambassador in the corridor; vandals broke its wooden steering wheel. Next to it stays white Roman Polanski's Plymouth. The roof is dent because those bastards were jumping on it. Next to the wall - Renault Fregata from 1952; prime minister Cyrankiewicz was its driver. Not far from here - mutilated rare Opel GT. Young Jaroszewicz was the owner. Stealers took its rotary headlight and its dashboard.

    'A group of potential buyers visited me once. They wanted to look around.' - recalls Mr. Wacław - 'One of them said that he almost finished rebuilding an Opel GT. He ordered and received a dashboard and headlight abroad. So I said 'In this color? You know, it's strange but such elements have just been stolen from me.' - And he blushes like a beetroot. I also had -teen of Porsches. The bodies still are here. Dad collected them after famous people. Kobiela drove one of them, then Kisielewski, and then Maryla Rodowicz.

    'A few days later I phoned Jerzy Kisielewski. 'This car is still there?' - he was surprised. - 'That was my brother's, Wacek's, Porsche 911 T bought in Germany. I drove it after him, and then I sold it to Maryla Rodowicz. Someone told me that she used wrong oil and the engine died.' There were tens of motorcycles among the cars. There was even the whole development line if Polish WFM, including one of their prototypes which is not even documented yet. Stealers took over 50 machines.'

    Police knows exactly about all those thefts, Mr. Waclaw reports every single one.

    'Of course there are lots of different cars. Terrain is partially fenced. This is a nice fortune, but someone has to walk aroundand watch over it.' - says sergeant Piotr Piekarski from police in Grodzisk Mazowiecki. - 'Some years ago we received a report about missing of a very precious model train. I think there were two in the world.'

    Sergeant Piekarski recalls that he saw an album released by collectors - T.Tabencki. Grodzisk. - stated the album.

    Returning to the wreck yard - we're passing a small, red English tractor. Old Tabencki used it to move the cars around the yard.

    We're approaching a giant, before-the-war vehicle. Rust was merciless for it. Chevrolet Master, with which a famous Polish automobilist Witold Rychter participated in Monte Carlo 1938. One of nearby cars has some little holes, like gunfire. They are supposedly 'made' by 9-mm gun. Tabencki measured these.

    'The police arrived and one of the policemen says 'See, sir? What weapons those kids wield?'' - Tabencki laughs bitterly - 'Who can help me here?'

    'The well-hidden Mercedes cars'

    I'm asking Tabencki a question which was requested by lots of car lovers - where are the best cars? Where's the Mercedes, where's the Alfa Romeo?

    'They are well hidden. They won't be stolen.' - he responds.

    Mercedes 540K. Supposedly it belonged to marshall Rola-Żymierski. Earlier, also supposedly, a prince was tits driver - one of 250th Spanish division leaders fighting with Bolsheviks.

    There also is another version from years ago. A bit after the war, right into the hands of Warsaw's doctor - his name was Ulman - moving to Jelenia Gora, got a Mercedes, which was previously driven by Third Reich's marshall - Goering. The car consumed incredible amounts of fuel, so it was cheaply sold. To who?

    'It's curious.' - thinks president Skrzelinski - 'Old Tabencki said, once upon a time, that he has another one, like one starring in 'The Night of Generals'. Maybe THAT was Goering's?'

    What about the legendary Maybach Zeppelin?

    'It was legally sold abroad in 1968.' - says Mr. Waclaw - 'Autombileclub of Poland did this and for exchange they received 3 sports cars for their competitors. I have socuments to prove it. But I still have the weaker Maybach, the SW 38.'

    Nobody has ever heard of this car being in the collection.

    Tabencki shakes his head - 'Many would like to know where it is. Especially thieves.'

    After a few days Tabencki suddenly calls - 'They came here at night again. The stole half of small BMW Isetta...'
     
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    Great job, Madertus! I can understand it very well. Thanks alot for the translation <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/grin.gif"></A>

    What a history! There were some really nice gems in that yard/garages. Interesting to read a little bit about how they were acquired.
    I don't quite understand why they didn't move the cars to a better/safer place. From the article I gather that the Tabincki's aren't poor people. Perhaps I'm wrong. But even if they didn't have the money for that you'd think they'd try harder to secure the current location and save the cars from the elements/rust. It's good to read that some of the 'big name' cars are kept elsewhere and hopefully in decent condition.
    Bizarre that thieves also raided the train collection and Tadeusz was even killed before that. Really unlucky family?
     
  11. #11 basman007, Jul 20, 2011
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    Minister Tadeusz Tabincki (PL) Car Collection

    Type 35B Roadster by Bachmann

    Frame of origin of Molsheim, not identified formally like 4878, body ex T35B of Bremme, bonnet rebuilt,

    Engine n°: 124 TC, now engine new with authentic parts type TC

    Year: 1928

    Licence plate: IY-21166 (D), TYP 035 (B)

    Owner: Eric van Esser (B)

    Former owners: Emil Bremme (D), Tadeusz Tabencki (PL),

    http://www.bugattibuilder.com/wiki/index.php?title=4878
     
  12. #12 basman007, Jul 20, 2011
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    Minister Tadeusz Tabincki (PL) Car Collection

    Tadeusz Tabencki's Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 is mentioned in this register
    http://www.6c2500.org/download/Appunti%20Alfa%20Romeo%206C2500.pdf

    There are a few racing sites that mention him racing in 1948 in a BMW 328 at the 2nd Street Race for the Golden Laurels of the Wawel and in 1959 in a Humber Hawk at the Monte Carlo Rally.
     
  13. I'll give him 20 bucks per car that he thinks are to far gone.
     
  14. That Bugatti looks incredible. Especially on those black&white pics.

    About what you said about the article... I think that Tabenckis would surely do everything to save those cars. But I think that on the beginning of '90s it would include far bigger money than today, especially in Poland. If I recall correctly, government of my country had some problems with enormous inflation back then. Moving the cars - another money problem. And securing the location was surely hard, too. There were not as many companies or security means back then. But on the other hand, a few dogs might do the job... Preserving the cars looks like a great idea, it is not too expensive, I guess. But we still have the security problem then...

    I think that train collection stealers found out that Tabencki is dead, so they might have thought that nobody is gonna report that.

    Here's a bit more about our 'hero':

    Since 1964, Tabencki was travelling around Europe with his Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint so he could find some potential buyers or sellers. During one of his trips (in Belgium) he met Guy Huet, Bugatti collector. In 1966 he bought - with Tabencki's help - a Bugatti. Or - he exchanged it for a brand new Opel Rekord. When two years later Huet revisited Tabencki, he spotted a unique 57 C in his collection. He shot some pictures and found a buyer in Belgium - Jean de Dobbeleer, who owned a Bugatti showroom before the war. For this ride Tabencki requested a new Mercedes-Benz 200 and some additional cash. July 1969 - Drivetrain of the 57 C is exported to the west, and then Tabencki himself transported its body without the engine.

    More details about his death:

    He was most probably murdered in 1989 - aged 92! Explaining the complicated fate of his cars required seriously big and deep investigation. 63 people in 16 countries still wasn't enough to solve all the mysteries. Facts say that he wsa working for Security Department. He was taking cars from Western Europe, then he claimed them to later, in '60s, become a receiver of stolen collection. So, the whole story does not look too good. Maybe Tabencki paid for loving beautiful machines with his life, that's the main 'reason' of killing him. He took lots and lots of mysteries to the grave. His fame and his legend, however it looks, is still present among the veterans in the whole Europe.

    Translating this all is a pleasure so don't worry about trouble or something <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  15. The Security Department is part of the Polish Government?
    If he was still trading/collecting cars in the sixties like you say I'd imagine he used his official function to get cars/parts from the east to the west and vice versa?

    Do you know what he did before he was a politician/minister? I'm wondering how he got the means/fortune to maintain this collection.
     
  16. Security department WAS a part of Polish government. It was created after the war - 1.I.1945 by command of Russians and deleted 7.XII.1954. Responsible for massive bloody repressions on citizens during the reign of Stalin.

    It was exactly how you just said - he used his function to get the cars/parts. It was more or less legal, he was an official so maybe he had some privileges.

    I'm no idea who he was before working for our government. As I mentioned earlier, fate of his collection and his life itself is really mysterious; I read that the article above is only about 30% truth and the rest is just gossip... I suppose that before 'government-ing' he had some means to own a few cars. Then he became an official and I think it was one of these versions:

    1.) He was heavily paid.
    2.) If the article is so untrue, he bought the rides, but not for normal prices. He forced the original owners to give them away for something as expensive as a bottle of milk or he simply claimed the cars as a high Polish official. (you know what communists were capable of, don't you? Scary methods of 'negotiations' and stuff...)
    3.) He legally imported the cars to Poland. The best ones he claimed/bought.
    4.) He was copying the documents of imported cars and filling them with his name. - I read about something similar to this a few days ago.

    That's what I think.
     
  17. this thread made me want to beat things.
     
  18. You mean stealing of something this special?

    Polish thieves/burglars/stealers etc. have no morality. They steal literally everything, no matter how precious (money/history) that is. Some assholes even stole a sign 'Arbeit macht frei' (work makes one free) from Jewish camp gate...

    I feel seiously ashamed for that as a Pole.
     
  19. So he was indeed part of THAT part of history... I was starting to think something like what you said, a mix of those things. Because otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
     
  20. If you found anything else about Tadeusz Tabencki, you know where to post it <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> I'll be right here to eventually translate this for you.

    And I would like to thank you for introducing this story (?) to me (and not only). But for you, I wouldn't know that one of the most amazing car collections ever belonged to a Pole. Finding new 'stuff' about this man and his collection was one hell of pleasure.

    Of course I'll keep on searching, too - it's been a while since something was so intriguing for me.
     
  21. seriously if anyone wants to start a business in poland or near poland I will buy these cars that are "to far gone".
     
  22. cheers <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/grin.gif"></A>
     
  23. #23 DonDomel, Dec 17, 2013
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    http://penetratorscavengerteam.blogspot.com/2013/11/pery-na-cmentarzysku.html

    Check this Because since few months there is a bit loud in polish media about this collection. Nobody know about this. And now it's almost nothing ...

    if you need any translation just shot me <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  24. #25 basman007, Dec 21, 2013
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    Thank you for sharing <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    What a terrible mess! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A>
     

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