Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

Discussion in '2005 Mosler MT900 S' started by Gamer55, Oct 3, 2002.

  1. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    Road & Track had a cover report on the Enzo in which it set numerous impressive all time records for a road car. It turned up better numbers than the Ameritech McLaren F1 and Saleen S7, according to the magazine(except top speed where the F1 is estimated at 231mph).

    I think the Enzo would beat the Mosler. Mosler is a great car....but the Enzo outpowers it.

    Motor Trend tested the "R" version of the Mosler...as someone posted previously. So it may quite possibly be a race version. Anyone know? Cuz it's unfair to compare a racecar to the Enzo, which is street legal. I am willing to bet that the Enzo will win if put head to head with a STREET LEGAL road version. But who knows?

     
  2. #52 stratoraptor, Feb 29, 2004
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    yeah his numbers are a little off. Motor Trend tested MT900S Photon in the 2003 Supercar Shootout where a group of cars were compared to each other by running a guantlet of acceleration and handling tests.

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0306_spdtest/

    the Moslers numbers:

    0-60: 3.13sec
    1/4mi: [email protected]
    60-0: 100ft
    0-100-0: 10.98sec
    1mi: [email protected]
    100-0: 275ft
    600ft slalom: 74.7mph
    top speed: 165mph
    figure-8: [email protected] avg.
    lateral G: 1.08G avg., 1.14G max

    ...other than top speed, the Mosler beats the Enzo Ferrari in ever performance category that the Enzo was tested in.
     
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    Wow....thanks for the source. I never knew the Mosler put up those numbers. Simply amazing.

    However, you can't compare the MT900 to the Enzo in the following categories:

    1/4 mile: you can't say that the Mosler beat the Enzo here b/c Enzo is 11.1 sec @133 mph. 11.02 vs 11.1 isn't much, yet the Enzo has 133 mph vs the Mosler's 126.88 mph

    1 mile: Do you have 1 mile stats for the Enzo? I don't know them...but the quarter mile stat as I mentioned above show that the Enzo is going over 6 mph faster. I don't think the Mosler can catch up in the mile with its lower horsepower and torque, although it is very light.

    60-0: I remember in MotorTrend high speed shootout test a few years ago, the Corvette ZO6 got a shorter stopping distance than the Porsche 911 Turbo....however a sidenote in the article said that it is brake FADE that really counts in racing. In that department, they said the Porsche wins hands down. So, I'd say a comparison between brake fade in the Enzo and the MT900 would be a better gauge of the cars' braking abilities. Logically, Enzo's massive brakes would allow for better brake fade resistance....but the Mosler is lighter, so who knows?

    100-0: R&T also got 275ft for the Enzo. Here, it's a tie.

    What was the lateral G skidpad? Was it a 200ft skidpad?

    *Therefore, you can't say the Enzo lost in just about every performance category....

    HOWEVER, you've made your point. I never knew the Mosler was capable of such numbers! I now definitely say that this machine CAN is very able to compete with the top supercars of the world, Enzo included.

    Wow. Even though I am generally more of a European car fanatic(Ferrari in particular), this car is one awesome ride. Anything that keeps up with an Enzo is awesome.

     
  4. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    Just looking at the mile time....I think it is safe to say that the Enzo will win against the Mosler.

    According to Motor Trend, the Mosler had a 1 mi. acceleration time of 30.4 sec @154.3 mph. The Lamborghini Murcielago was a hair behind, with 30.5 sec. BUT the Lambo was at 169.2 mph!!! Which means that past a mile, the Lambo would definitely pull away. So, the Enzo is stronger and lighter than the Lambo, and has a faster 0-60 and 0-100 than the Lambo....so that is why I would say the Enzo would have a faster mile time than the Mosler.


    I've always been an Italian car fan....but when I recognize a good 'ol American car, I'll state it. The MT900 is definitely amazing.
     
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    saying that the Enzo beats the Mosler because it has a higher trapspeed doesnt mean anything. in the motorsports world, race winners are determined by the shortest time -- not the highest average speed. was RT the magazine that got the 3.15sec 0-60? thats not very reliable. that test was done on a downhill gradient which helps in acceleration. and so what if the Enzo would have a higher 1mi linear acceleration? you are talking about speeds in excess of 165mph for the Enzo starting from a standstill. if you want to compare the two cars on a road course, there are very few tracks in the world that have a 1mi straight where an Enzo would ever get that fast. what would be the velocity of the car if it started accelerating from a 35mph turn? 180mph? 190mph? rediculous numbers for a road car on a race track.

    nonetheless, the Mosler still has a big handeling advantage. a L/R 1.08G avg. and a 74.7mph slalom speed are untouchable by the Enzo. add to that a better low- and mid-range acceleration, id put my money on a Mosler. already the car is building a name for itself after success in the Grand-Am series and currently the British GT series.
     
  6. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    Well, based on this info so far...I'd have to say the Mosler would win on a track, as much as it hurts saying this coming from a diehard Ferrari fan. But, I'd still love to see an official magazine comparo between these 2 supercars....and throw in Pagani, Koenigsegg, and S7 for kicks.

    Do you know the history of the company Mosler? Is it a new company?

    I was betting on Ferrari, because I knew about its reputation of techonological excellence. Although some people today say that that technological advantage of Ferrari doesn't exist anymore today, I would point to the recent consecutive Formula 1 Championships as proof that Ferrari still has the magic. Ferrari has set standards, (F40 was fastest car in the world in its time), and race victories.....so I find it amazing that today, a new(or is it new?) company can create a car that can beat an Enzo.

    AND...I know I'll get flak for this, but...I'd still get an Enzo anyday over the Mosler, haha. But alas, I don't have $600,000 to spare.
     
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    choosing a Ferrari (anyone of them) of the Mosler is easily understandble. the Ferrari name itself worth as much as a Mosler MT900. the Enzo and other fast cars are meant to be driven on the road for personal enjoyement and fun, its not all about performance numbers. the Mosler MT900S Photon however is the definetion of a racecar for the road, not very practical for even the shortest of Sunday drives. its more of a car to be driven soley to, on, and from the track; it has no business anywhere else. Meanwhile the Ferrari is meant to be shown off and permissively stretch its legs on the track and public roads every once in a while.

    compared to Ferrari, Mosler is a new born. they have been making ugly looking cars since the late 80s. but they are gaining respect as a racecar manufacturer with the MT900R that came in first in GTS at the 24 Hours of Daytona and won the championship in British GT. surely when your competition rolls out an MT900R, you are going to take them seriously. through racing the MT900R at a professional level where perfomance and durability are enhanced and demonstrated, Mosler develops the MT900S -- the road going version.
     
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    choosing a Ferrari (anyone of them) of the Mosler is easily understandble. the Ferrari name itself worth as much as a Mosler MT900. the Enzo and other fast cars are meant to be driven on the road for personal enjoyement and fun, its not all about performance numbers. the Mosler MT900S Photon however is the definetion of a racecar for the road, not very practical for even the shortest of Sunday drives. its more of a car to be driven soley to, on, and from the track; it has no business anywhere else. Meanwhile the Ferrari is meant to be shown off and permissively stretch its legs on the track and public roads every once in a while.

    compared to Ferrari, Mosler is a new born. they have been making ugly looking cars since the late 80s. but they are gaining respect as a racecar manufacturer with the MT900R that came in first in GTS at the 2003 24 Hours of Daytona and won the championship in British GT. surely when your competition rolls out an MT900R, you are going to take them seriously. through racing the MT900R at a professional level where perfomance and durability are enhanced and demonstrated, Mosler develops the MT900S -- the road going version.
     
  9. #59 F360RIDAZ, Mar 2, 2004
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    Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    Here's something really strange.....

    for your Motor Trend link, the 0-100-0 time for the Murcielago is 12.71 sec. But on Road and Track's website...it runs a 14.2 sec!!

    I find it strange that such a huge margin exists between the two tests....It seems like a clear error...one of the tests must not be legitimate.

    Well, the Enzo is 11.7 sec according to R&T. And the MT900 is 10.98 according to Motor Trend....so the two cars are within the margin of error shown above. Strange.

    This is why I'd really like to see a head to head comparison in one magazine.

    Here's the link for R&T tests:

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=663&page_number=11
     
  10. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    Also, check out the discrepancy between the 2 magazines for the Ferrari 575M and the Dodge Viper SRT10!

    I think the Enzo stands a chance at beating the MT900 in 0-100-0, which is an important test for the racetrack because it tests the car's ability to suddenly accelerate and suddenly brake. But who knows until we get a head to head comparison in 1 magazine??

    Given that the 0-100-0 times were so different for the two magazines, I am skeptical and wondering if the other tests may show some discrepancies as well.

    Thoughts?
     
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    there are many reasons that can account for the difference in test numbers. the cars were tested on different days at different places. in both instances, they did not have the same testing conditions. track temperature, atmospheric pressure, tire temperature, driver capability, type of track surface, etc...

    Sport-Auto, a German magazine, tested the 0-60 for the SRT-10. it took the car 4.7sec. says a lot about magazine testing conditions doesnt it?
     
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    What makes the Mosler less streetable than the Enzo?
     
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    the MT900S Photon lacks any kind of comfort in its interior, similar to the racing MT900R. there is also the "Howlin' Hewland" racing transmission that is so loud, a radio can only be used when the car is idling.

    the Enzo Ferrari isnt that loud, and has an interior suitable for a car of its class. unlike the Mosler, the Enzo has its ride hieght adjustable from the cockpit so that the driver can cope with bad roads.

    those are just a few examples, theres probably more that i cant think of right now...
     
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    Exactly why a comparison between the 2 supercars needs to be done under the same conditions with one independent tester.
     
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    It's "howling" with the Hewland, but with the Porsche gearbox you can hear the radio fine. I put close to 300 miles on an MT900S a couple weeks ago, both city, and highway driving, and I loved every minute of it. You just have to understand going into it, that this is a pure performance car. I fyou want plush and cushy, you need to look elsewhere.
     
  16. #66 Z06nutSS405, Mar 9, 2004
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    Look here

    http://www.rollcentre.co.uk/html/mosler_mt900s.html , it says the correct
    specs. I has better specs in almost, I think all catagories, than the Enzo. The enzo is a excellent car but sence this car has better specs and is WAY! WAY! less $$$, I'll take this.
     
  17. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    #$%# ferrari this car is way better than any ferrari even the enzo.
    I love this car it has less weight better handling the any road ferrari is far better design than any road ferari.
     
  18. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    Not a bad car but Enzo would kill it.
     
  19. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    You bring the Enzo.
     
  20. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    The Enzo would MURDER it.
     
  21. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    You bring the Enzo.
     
  22. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

    You bring the Mosler.
     
  23. Re: Mosler MT900 vs Ferrari Enzo

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    heh...how often do they let you drive #008? and what do you do besides being the CAD designer guy?
     
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    CAD design, cnc programming, drafting, those are my primary functions. I also look at all the DoT and NHTSA requirements, to have the production cars legal.

    I only get to drive it when I have a reason to, typically if there is a trade show/conference, or a car show. Once in awhile I'll get to take someone for a ride.
     

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