Re: much better 850, it seems you are always posting around shitty FWD drive cars. Not only are saabs ugly, this car is THE BIGGEST PIECE OF POOP ever. Its comparable to my authentic POS, a 1991 volvo 740. And don't start talking like "you don't know cause you haven't driven it". Well I have driven this saab- this particular saab. And it was shitty. There is basically no power till like 3500 rpms, and once you get above 70 mph, there is no kick at all. As for handling, this car actually handles worse than my old volvo wagon, which is hard to do. Probably related to the fact that 1991 was the last year they made RWD volvos... No actually that probably doesn't matter at all but just pressing an old point. I once heard someone say that Saab's were like the best designed cars ever. I started laughing. Have you ever been inside of this specific car? I honestly think the designers never have been. If you want to see out of the car at all, you have to take out the rear headrests. Even when you do, the car has like 20 foot blindspots. This car is literally asking to get into a sideswiping accident. Now, in fairness, I will try to talk about positive aspects of this car. Ok, hmm, positive... right.. O! its safe. but wait- they made it safe just because they knew people would be getting in shitloads of accidents in it because you can't see anything. Anything else positive? thinking... no, that's about it. This car sucks. Now if someone wants to reply arguing with me, don't just say, "you don't know what you're talking about this is an awesome car", try to actually prove me wrong, I don't think you can considering all of the above are valid points.