Murcielago or Carrera GT????????

Discussion in '2002 Lamborghini Murciélago' started by Christianmc, Aug 10, 2002.

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    Last I heard, Lamborghini engineers were a little uneasy about claiming the Murcielago could break the eight-minute mark at the Ring. I read in CAR magazine, the first mag to run a complete test of the Murc, that it was supposed to be faster around the Nurburgring than the Murcielago by, and I quote, "...maybe one minute." That would put it close to the magic 8:00 barrier. I had assumed that the Murc was tested at the Ring. My apologies. However, claiming that it will clock "plenty under 8:00" is somewhat of an exaggeration. If the Murc logs a time faster than 7:46 (that of the GT2's), I'll definitely be impressed. However, that still leaves the issue of the Carrera GT to be explored. Having a 98bhp advantage over GT2, and being 419lbs. lighter, there's no telling how well it'll perform on the Ring.

    Second, the reason the Diablo incarnations outperform the GT3 on short tracks is because of the displacement advantage (5.7 - 6.0 liters vs. 3.6). The GT3 RS produces 420 naturally aspirated bhp, but much less torque than, for example, the 996 Turbo. Although the GT3 is significantly lighter than any Diablo, its torque (the Diablo's) helps move that extra mass quite effectively.

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    i think the carrera gt would win<!-- Signature -->
     
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    You say this, "I read in CAR magazine, the first mag to run a complete test of the Murc, that it was supposed to be faster around the Nurburgring than the Murcielago by, and I quote, "...maybe one minute." '

    What is supposed to be faster than the Murcielago by 1 minute?

    Sport Auto magazine driver Horst von Saurma will take the car to Nurburgring later this year, and is expected to be under 8 min., probably 7: 50. If it does not match the time of the GT2 it does not matter. The nurburgring is Porsche's specialty track and they are designed specifically for it. Porsches often have better lap times there than cars that would normally beat them.

     
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    To explain more clearly, the 510 hp Diablo SV is much ahead of the Porsche GT3 on most tracks; (see the video "Best Motoring Japanese"). But at the nurburgring, the Porsche GT3 is ahead of even the 523 hp Diablo SV by 6 seconds (8,09 vs. 8,03). This is because the Porsche GT3 is suited to the nurburgring perfectly. It is the same with the GT2, and that is why it performs so well there. Porsches are designed for that track.




    The Diablo GT and Porsche GT2 are equal on most tracks, but on the Nurburgring the Diablo tested 8,04 seconds and the GT2 tested 7,46 seconds. However, I am not sure if the Diablo GT was the long gear ratio or the short gear ratio, and I do not know if the Porsche GT2 was the Clubsport version with "anti-roll bars" or not.
     
  5. #130 Christianmc, Aug 10, 2002
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    Re: MURCIELAGO OR CARRERA GT?????

    Here I succeeded to find this test of the Diablo GT that lapped the nurburgring:

    www.track-challenge.com/comparison1d.asp?car1=1&car2=2

    Some of the acceleration results for these cars are slower than normal, and some are faster than normal, so it is best not to use them as reference for acceleration. But the top speed of theDiablo GT was tested at 330 kmh. The short gear ratio Diablo GT can not exceed 320.7 kmh, and the medium ratio can not exceed 325 kmh; this Diablo then must be the long ratio Diablo GT.

    The long ratio Diablo GT can reach 340 kmh, but this test did not reach that high. But it is for sure not the short or medium gear ratios.

    So the Diablo GT that laps the nurburgring at 8,04 seconds is the long ratio Diablo GT. SHort and medium gear ratios would be faster.

    Short and medium gear ratio Diablo GT's have approx the same acceleration as each other:

    short gear ratio Diablo GT:

    1 km standing: 21.0 seconds
    to speed: 199 mph

    medium gear ratio Diablo GT

    1 km standing: approx. 21.05 or 21.1 seconds
    top speed: 202 mph

    they are approx the same. but long ratio Diablo GT is:

    1 km standing: approx. 21.3 seconds
    top speed: 211 mph

    With long ratio the DIablo GT has approx the same acceleration as '99 Diablo SV. The Sport auto test did not reach 211 mph, but it still exceeded the top speed of short and medium gear ratio Diablo GT, so it is sure the long ratio Diablo GT.

    So with long gear ratio, the Diablo GT makes 8,04 seconds. But medium ratio is probably 8,02 seconds, and short ratio is probably 8,01 seconds.
     
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    Correction! 8,04 seconds is for the Medium gear ratio Diablo GT: I thought the medium gear ratio DIablo GT could not exceed 325 like the VT and 2WD because they have the same gears. But I forgot that the Diablo GT can go to slightly higher rpm than the Old VT and 2WD! This may allow the GT to reach 330 kmh.
     
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    lambo by far!! ... I still love my Modena's though
     
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    i'll take the murcielago duh
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Jackamo</i>
    <b>You say this, "I read in CAR magazine, the first mag to run a complete test of the Murc, that it was supposed to be faster around the Nurburgring than the Murcielago by, and I quote, "...maybe one minute." '

    What is supposed to be faster than the Murcielago by 1 minute?

    Sport Auto magazine driver Horst von Saurma will take the car to Nurburgring later this year, and is expected to be under 8 min., probably 7: 50. If it does not match the time of the GT2 it does not matter. The nurburgring is Porsche's specialty track and they are designed specifically for it. Porsches often have better lap times there than cars that would normally beat them.

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    Sorry, that was a typo. What the engineers were quoted as saying was something to the effect of the Murcielago being "maybe one minute" faster than the regular Diablo. Now, I don't know what time the Diablo logged at the Ring, but the editors at CAR said that assuming this was so, the Murc would run times around 8:00.

    True, Porsches are partial to the Nurburgring, but that's not to say that the GT2 is not an amazing performer on any other track. Take Laguna Seca, for example. The GT2 was recently tested there, running a lap slightly over 1:20 (I'm reciting these numbers by heart. I only read them once). Most supercars dream of a time like that at Laguna Seca. This is not to take credit away from Lamborghini, but I seriously doubt its ability to lap the GT2 on most tracks, let alone the Carrera GT.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    definitely the Murcielago they have the same top speed, but the murcielago first of all looks better and it's italian and Italians make the greatest cars
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Jackamo</i>
    <b>To explain more clearly, the 510 hp Diablo SV is much ahead of the Porsche GT3 on most tracks; (see the video "Best Motoring Japanese"). But at the nurburgring, the Porsche GT3 is ahead of even the 523 hp Diablo SV by 6 seconds (8,09 vs. 8,03). This is because the Porsche GT3 is suited to the nurburgring perfectly. It is the same with the GT2, and that is why it performs so well there. Porsches are designed for that track.




    The Diablo GT and Porsche GT2 are equal on most tracks, but on the Nurburgring the Diablo tested 8,04 seconds and the GT2 tested 7,46 seconds. However, I am not sure if the Diablo GT was the long gear ratio or the short gear ratio, and I do not know if the Porsche GT2 was the Clubsport version with "anti-roll bars" or not.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    All 911s and for that matter the Gt2 has anti roll bars. What I think you are talking about is a roll cage, the GT2 clubsport has a roll cage. A roll cage adds wieghts, but increases rigidity a little.
     
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    <b>You say this, "I read in CAR magazine, the first mag to run a complete test of the Murc, that it was supposed to be faster around the Nurburgring than the Murcielago by, and I quote, "...maybe one minute." '

    What is supposed to be faster than the Murcielago by 1 minute?

    Sport Auto magazine driver Horst von Saurma will take the car to Nurburgring later this year, and is expected to be under 8 min., probably 7: 50. If it does not match the time of the GT2 it does not matter. The nurburgring is Porsche's specialty track and they are designed specifically for it. Porsches often have better lap times there than cars that would normally beat them.

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    Sorry, that was a typo. What the engineers were quoted as saying was something to the effect of the Murcielago being "maybe one minute" faster than the regular Diablo. Now, I don't know what time the Diablo logged at the Ring, but the editors at CAR said that assuming this was so, the Murc would run times around 8:00.

    True, Porsches are partial to the Nurburgring, but that's not to say that the GT2 is not an amazing performer on any other track. Take Laguna Seca, for example. The GT2 was recently tested there, running a lap slightly over 1:20 (I'm reciting these numbers by heart. I only read them once). Most supercars dream of a time like that at Laguna Seca. This is not to take credit away from Lamborghini, but I seriously doubt its ability to lap the GT2 on most tracks, let alone the Carrera GT.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The old (slowest) 492 hp Diablo 2WD from 1990 laps the nurburgring in 8,14 seconds. All other models are faster. I do not know if any 4WD Diablos have been tested at Nardo.

    It is "impossible" for the Murcielago to lap the nurburgring 1 mintue faster than any Diablo, and not near 7,14 seconds.Santa Agata factory declarations are very strange!!! Sometimes right, sometimes very understated, sometimes very overstate!!

    GT2 is good car, and has incredible grip like Ferrari F50. Ferrari F50 and Porsche GT2 have an advantage over cars like Ferrari F40 and Diablo GT because of their superior handeling; but on many tracks, Diablo GT and Ferrari F40 are ahead of GT2 and F50 because of their superior acceleration and speed! F40 and Diablo GT have handeling that can compete, but on tracks like nurburgring they not show their best times.

    And yes, excuse error, I mean "Anti-roll cage" for Clubsport version of GT2.
     
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    lmao funny, *mercielago* no doubt
     
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    Cgt is faster but Labmo is more beautiful!
     
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    the murcielago has more horsepower than the carrera gt(murcielago has 580hp, carrera gt has 558 hp), but the carrera gt is much lighter(murcielago is 1650kg, the carrera gt is 1250kg). the accelaration of the carrera gt is also amazing, porsche has claimed that it can do 0-160kph within 6 seconds. i dunno bout the murcielago's 0-160kph time, but the 0-100kph in 3.8 seconds is also very amazing.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Both cars are awesome. But, the carrera gt is a convertible, so it wouldn't be as stable. The Murcielago is faster, but i'd rather the porsche.
     
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    <b>Both cars are awesome. But, the carrera gt is a convertible, so it wouldn't be as stable. The Murcielago is faster, but i'd rather the porsche.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    What do you base that assumption on? There are no concrete numbers outlining the Porsche's performance. Also, to quote another, more knowledgable member on this forum, the Carrera GT's chassis is modeled after an LMP-type race car's chassis. LM race cars have unparalled torsional rigidity, and excellent stability. Being open-topped also lowers the car's center of mass, which allows for higher cornering speeds.

    L8R
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from alexly</i>
    <b>Cgt is faster but Labmo is more beautiful!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Excuse me did I read right? Murcielago more *cough* beautiful? The thing is too squarish. The Carrera Gt is the better looking car between the two.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MR FLY BY</i>
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from alexly</i>
    <b>Cgt is faster but Labmo is more beautiful!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Excuse me did I read right? Murcielago more *cough* beautiful? The thing is too squarish. The Carrera Gt is the better looking car between the two.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    thats your own opinion.... We dont need to hear it.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Too bad you are gonna hear my opinions and if you don't like them then too bad. These forums are about opinion and if you don't like to hear mine go do something else.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Carrera GT vs. Murcielago? are you kidding me?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>Carrera GT vs. Murcielago? are you kidding me?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Its funny huh? You'd go with the Carrera Gt too huh? Yeah I understand.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I don't think this comparison is fair, considering you can get 1.75 of these for one C-GT<!-- Signature -->
     
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    wassup dai dai
    its lamborghini murcielago all da way freaking carrera gt can't burn the lamobrghini<!-- Signature -->
     
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    i think the 911 GT2 is more of a challege...but if i can choose one car i would choose the murcielago...the 12 cylinders is just music to my ears<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Hey Porsche Fan,
    You're the dopiest fool on the Lambo luvin planet. If the porsche has recorded 4 seconds 0-100kph, and the Murcielago recorded 3.7, but you claim the porsche got 3.6, then the Murcielago can get even faster than that. It also depends on how you drive, and where the first gear maxs out.
     

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