No, it's just a #$%#ing tree stump

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    Pilgrims flock to tree 'showing image of Virgin Mary' in Limerick
    The tree stump showing an apparent image of the Virgin Mary



    The tree stump has become the focus of worshippers


    It has been 14 years since her last major apparition in Ireland, but the Virgin Mary is back and this time in the lowly form of a tree stump in Limerick.

    To the dismay of local Catholic Church leaders the freshly severed stump, with its supposed image of Our Lady, is rapidly becoming the focus of pilgrims. The last time that Ireland experienced anything similar was during its last economic recession in 1985, when a “floating” statue drew tens of thousands to Ballinspittle, Co Cork.

    This time more than 2,000 people have signed a petition to prevent the stump’s removal, while hundreds of worshippers have been gathering to recite decades of the rosary and to light candles. Nightly prayer vigils are being held.

    Labourers carrying out work on the grounds of the Holy Mary Parish Church in Rathkeale, Co Limerick, made the discovery of the supposed image of Our Lady.

    “One of the lads said, 'Look, our Blessed Lady in the tree',” said Noel White, chairman of the local graveyard committee. “One of the other lads looked over and actually knelt down and blessed himself, he got such a shock. It was the perfect shape of the figure of Our Lady holding the baby.”

    Anthony Reddin was clearing old trees when he spotted what his saw had produced from a willow. “There were only two limbs and it’s just the way the grain of the two limbs came out,” he said.

    “You can depict what you want out of it. It was another man who noticed it and just said it was the image of Holy Mary.”

    Asked what he saw in the stump Mr Reddin replied: ”I see it as the grain of a tree myself.”

    His scepticism did not put off the faithful, many of whom began arriving in the churchyard as soon as word of the new Marian image spread.

    The local parish priest is unimpressed. “There’s nothing there, it’s just a tree,” Father Willie Russell said. “You can’t worship a tree. A tree is a tree. A person with imagination is a person with imagination.”

    While he said that there was “no harm” in people praying at the stump he added: ”I don’t believe in idolatry, that would be the danger.”

    The priest’s distinct lack of enthusiasm, though, is matched by the determination of locals to preserve the stump and turn it into a permanent Marian shrine.

    “We have almost 2,000 signatures on a petition already and we are going to continue getting more,” said Seamus Hogan, a shopkeeper. “People have been coming from Clare and Kerry to see this tree, which we believe shows a clear outline of Our Lady.”

    Father Paul Finnerty, spokesman for the Limerick Diocese, was unmoved by the fervour. “The Church’s response to phenomena of this type is one of great scepticism,” he said.

    “While we do not wish in any way to detract from devotion to Our Lady, we would also wish to avoid anything which might lead to superstition.”

    John Griffin, a local councillor, said that while he had no problem with people coming together to pray, it was just a tree stump.

    “I respect everybody’s belief, but when I heard about this and had a look, what I saw were the remains of a felled tree,” he said.“I see a shape, the shape of a felled tree. It is in the shape of a cloaked lady or cloaked person, but that’s because of the way it was cut. I’m not attributing anything supernatural.”

    Nevertheless, it now seems unlikely that the tree surgeons will be allowed to finish what they began.

    “If it is left there I would imagine we would have to get expert advice on how to preserve it, maybe cover it with glass or something,” Mr White said. “People are taking bits off the tree or stroking the tree and taking the skin off, and if they keep doing that there’ll be nothing there soon.”


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6676164.ece
     
  2. Looks like firewood to me.
     
  3. To the dismay of local Catholic Church leaders the freshly severed stump, with its supposed image of Our Lady, is rapidly becoming the focus of pilgrims.


    The local parish priest is unimpressed. "There'™s nothing there, it'™s just a tree," Father Willie Russell said. "You can't worship a tree. A tree is a tree. A person with imagination is a person with imagination."
     
  4. It's a #$%#ing tree. Goddamn.
     
  5. I start to think that irish are not as smart as I thought
     
  6. You thought they were smart?
     
  7. what happened to the "not worshiping false idols" thing?
     
  8. No one claimed religious people actually have to know the text they live their lives by.
     
  9. I know catholics do come crazy shit.. and Im not saying you are wrong.. and to top it off, I didnt read a word of the article..

    But there is such thing as supernatural events.. and that doesnt have to mean, you are religious, it just means that there are forces in physics, that dont have explanations..

    that is all
     
  10. lol
     
  11. that was deep, man
     
  12. cmon dont bullshit me
     
  13. omg ur so right

    that MUST be virgin mary in the tee stump then!
     
  14. Its stuff like this is why I enjoyed Religulous.
     
  15. The Catholic church apparently didn't get that memo. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A>
     
  16. You're so fUcking retarded. Did you not read the comment by the local Catholic priest saying essentially that these people have fantastical imaginations?

    And regardless, Christians of all different denominations have been worshiping idols in various forms since Christianity existed, much to the dismay of clergy.
     
  17. Im not saying that!, But IM just telling him to not rule out EVERY weird thing that he hears either..
     
  18. I'm not bsing. That made me lol.
     
  19. And the Protestants haven't pipe bombed it yet? Fail.
     
  20. its sacred
     
  21. shes just been chillin' in that stump for like 2000 years
     
  22. The term "smart Irishman" is an oxymoron.

    Paddys, it's ironic if you think of the stump being akin to their "tree of logic" in this scenario.
     
  23. haha self owned
     
  24. sadly i assumed a tree stump must look like Mary before i even opened this thread.
     

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