Not as good as they want you to think

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by Sinister, Aug 9, 2002.

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    When all is said and done...its just another Mustang. <!-- Signature -->
     
  2. Ford has been going on about the extra power, and fancy new facias. What they don't want you to know is that all the extra weight, and not that much extra power don't equal that great performance numbers.

    Ford promises 110 mph in the quarter, but a much cheaper stock SS will run just over 107.

    They also claim sub 5 second acceleration times, which probably means 4.8 or 4.9, but an SS with not even a thousand dollars in mods will pull that.

    And even in it's finest form, this cobra will not even touch the slowest new vette.
     
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    If it goes 0-60 in under 5 seconds, it most certainly does touch the slowest new vettes.

    I mean, its no vette, thats for sure, but if it does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, thats pretty darn good. And if it pulls that kinda speed in 1/4 mile, i dont think you can be that down on it.
     
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    My two cents:

    A couple of other things to keep in mind is that the new Cobra engine had to use forced induction to put up those kinds of numbers. The Vette's and SS's numbers are completely naturally aspirated. You put a supercharger on either of the two and it will utterly eat up this Cobra. Another thing to think about is lag. Any kind of forced induction will have some sort of lag which will suck up a little of that *PUNCH* you get with a naturally aspirated V8.

    -Just a thought
     
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    Roots type superchargers dont have bottom end lag like a turbocharger or a centrifugal system as you speak of,in fact its hardly none existant, becuase it automactically creates boost as long as the crankshaft is turning. However roots type blowers do have a severe parasitic drag at high rpms. Did you know it takes 800+hp to turn a supercharger on a those top fuel dragsters....
    Anyways, my opinion about these mustangs is that ford must really suck if they require a V8 and a blower just to make 390 hp and torque, thats very sad with a combination like that....<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>Roots type superchargers dont have bottom end lag like a turbocharger or a centrifugal system as you speak of,in fact its hardly none existant, becuase it automactically creates boost as long as the crankshaft is turning. However roots type blowers do have a severe parasitic drag at high rpms. Did you know it takes 800+hp to turn a supercharger on a those top fuel dragsters....
    Anyways, my opinion about these mustangs is that ford must really suck if they require a V8 and a blower just to make 390 hp and torque, thats very sad with a combination like that....</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Yeah, I'm not a real fan of SC myself, but it does achieve the end result that Ford desired...more power and torque and that is what really counts in the end I think.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from VetteMan3985</i>
    <b>My two cents:

    A couple of other things to keep in mind is that the new Cobra engine had to use forced induction to put up those kinds of numbers. The Vette's and SS's numbers are completely naturally aspirated. You put a supercharger on either of the two and it will utterly eat up this Cobra. Another thing to think about is lag. Any kind of forced induction will have some sort of lag which will suck up a little of that *PUNCH* you get with a naturally aspirated V8.

    -Just a thought</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Well sad to say but my friend the SS and The Trans am with RAM AIR have a SC to boost it from 310 to 325 sorry but it the truth
     
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    Uh I really don't think you know what the hell you're talking about buddy. Camaro's and Firebirds DO NOT use blowers to boost power from 310hp to 325hp. In fact the only F-Bodies to come from the factory with forced induction were Birds that used turbos, not blowers.
     
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    Yeah buddy, you don't know what you are talking about. The ram air system uses a new air box with some kind of fan device. It's the basic idea of what a supercharger/turbocharger does, except it isn't at the same time at all.
     
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    im sure this cobra will have problems like the Lightening did with its supercharger, since they are using the same SC...i am impressed with the 6 speed gearbox...only time will tell, how well this stang holds up....<!-- Signature -->
     
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    The 6 speed will only serve to worsen the drag at higher RPMs though, b/c more gears means higher RPMs for the most part, especially between 5th and 6th gear.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    All you chevy guys talk about Corvette has this......SS has that.....they also got a friggin Litre more on the Stangs....Also SS's cost.......well costed more than most stangs.....but we all know where Camaro's are now..
     
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from VetteMan3985</i>
    <b>My two cents:

    A couple of other things to keep in mind is that the new Cobra engine had to use forced induction to put up those kinds of numbers. The Vette's and SS's numbers are completely naturally aspirated. You put a supercharger on either of the two and it will utterly eat up this Cobra. Another thing to think about is lag. Any kind of forced induction will have some sort of lag which will suck up a little of that *PUNCH* you get with a naturally aspirated V8.

    -Just a thought</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Well sad to say but my friend the SS and The Trans am with RAM AIR have a SC to boost it from 310 to 325 sorry but it the truth</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Ummm i think you should change your name you don't have the right to have it,maybe you should learn a lil something before you speak the only superchargers was the FB back in the 80's or was it a turbo but anyways they don't do that shit anymore cause GM can build an un turbo or supercharged engine with some balls. all ford ever does is just throw a turbo or a charger on the engine's they should really start to learn how to make some natural power<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Ummm i think you should change your name you don't have the right to have it,maybe you should learn a lil something before you speak the only superchargers was the FB back in the 80's or was it a turbo but anyways they don't do that shit anymore cause GM can build an un turbo or supercharged engine with some balls. all ford ever does is just throw a turbo or a charger on the engine's they should really start to learn how to make some natural power</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The 80's Birds used turbos not S/C's. After the Super Duty's went away GM offered turbo 4's in the Firebirds. I believed they displaced 2.3L. Not sure, gotta check my numbers. The cars were only mediocre iin performance though. But then again times were hard. There was one truly bad ass turbo bird though. It was the '89 Trans-Am 25th Anniversary Car which only came in white. The car could only be had with a 4 spd automatic and it was powered by a turbocharged 231 cube (3.8L) V6 which was almost identical to the unit used in the Grand Nash and the GNX. The sucker ran like a 4.6 run to 60 and I believe is the fastest bird to date. Still the lack of a V8 would prevent me from buying one but there's no denying that this car would be one hell of a sleeper. And who says Americans can't build powerful engines with less than 8 cylinders
     
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    Lingenfelter, I was the one saying that GM did an awesome job with the Vette. It wasn't me who said anything about the SS, T/A or the Vette having a SC. I was the one who said that they got those numbers naturally aspirated... So I think, yes, I do have the right to my name and I respect very much the Vette, T/A, and the SS... I love them. In fact, at my job at Win Kelly Chevrolet, I enjoy driving both the SS and the Vette around all day.

     
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    Man, I think they were talking about that SSCamaroSS guy who doesn't know his stuff.
     
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    oh.. ok, that quote inside a quote mixed me up... sorry lingenfelter <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     

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