Nurburgring Lap Times

Discussion in 'Car Comparisons' started by ajzahn, Oct 28, 2004.

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    Just 6secs more than a Zonda F?

    hum...
     
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    it smells like it`s gonna lead a new generation in his segment
     
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    what? Best Motoring? lol.
     
  4. #804 Phanofmuzik, Oct 24, 2007
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    as you can see in the pics
     
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    According to an article on PistonHeads, the GTR used cut slick tires on its 7:38 run. Per the article:

    "GTR chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno told PistonHeads that his baby had covered over 3000 miles at the Nordschleife and avoided other circuits as they were deemed 'too easy'.

    Nissan's original target was to beat the 911 Turbo at the 'ring but they ended up worrying the Porsche Carrera GT.

    They didn't beat the GT's 7min 32sec lap time, but got a 7.38 in semi-wet conditions.

    'We used cut slick tyres' said Mizuno."
     
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    According to an article on PistonHeads, the GTR used cut slick tires on its 7:38 run. Per the article:

    "GTR chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno told PistonHeads that his baby had covered over 3000 miles at the Nordschleife and avoided other circuits as they were deemed 'too easy'.

    Nissan's original target was to beat the 911 Turbo at the 'ring but they ended up worrying the Porsche Carrera GT.

    They didn't beat the GT's 7min 32sec lap time, but got a 7.38 in semi-wet conditions.

    'We used cut slick tyres' said Mizuno."
     
  8. #808 ajzahn, Oct 27, 2007
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    >>> www.autobild.de/artikel/Themen-Testberichte-Wer-Wind-saet-wird-Sturm-ernten_439491.html
     
  9. #809 ajzahn, Oct 27, 2007
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    perhaps the differences between the Autobild times for the G Spyder are that in one test it was soley convertible and perhaps they did the lap with the roof down.
     
  11. #811 MindlessOath, Oct 29, 2007
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    this all needs to get revised!

    7:35* -- 159.864 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg (*mfr.) www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r

    7.38* -- 161.628 km/h -- Nissan R34 GT-R, *company test driver Suzuki, slick cut tyres, track partially wet www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*#40


    7.38.56 - 161.578 km/h -- Nissan R32 GT-R

    the first one is 7:35 - noted on piston heads that they were using non-stock tires - "cut slicks"
    the secound one 7:38 - not sure what tires were used - suggested the same "cut slicks"
    also this secound time has the name R34 - in the article posted they are talking about the nissan GT-R NOT the R34 version! needs correction.

    source of the cut tires rummor: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&t=455380
    we dont know how true this is and which tests used these cut slicks.

    then third time 7.38.56 - 161.578 km/h -- Nissan R32 GT-R - are you sure this is an R32 gt-r and not the new nissan gt-r which was stated this exact time - mabe it just needs to be edited to nissan gt-r instead of r32 which it clearly is not. and this time also might also be using the "cut slicks" nissan hasnt made any official statement.
     
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    Any Mercedes C63 AMG 'ring times?
     
  13. #813 MindlessOath, Nov 5, 2007
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    here is the news on the whole GT-R nurburging tires issue...

    http://www.nissangtrproto.com/2007/news/738-tire-question/

    A hotly debated item all over the internet right now is due to some misinformation and quotes taken out of context. To lay the smack down and correct all the internet bickering going on here is the actual quote. For the bone heads, the important information is in underlined and in bold, so you can�t miss it.

    �Mizuno claimed a time of 7minutes 38 seconds, compared with 7:43 for a Porsche 911 GT3 and 7:32 for a Carrera GT, but he was anxious to point out that there had been �two wet patches on the circuit.� Indeed, he mentioned the �wet patches� so many times that you wondered why Nissan simply hadn�t waited for a dry day. Mizuno reckoned that a time of around 7:30 should have been possible in the dry, but that going much faster would have required hand-cut slicks, which isn�t �real world.� Bizarrely, Nissan admitted to having different test drivers for different lapping. While Chief Test Driver Toshio Suzuki operates in the 7:30-7:40 range, his right-hand man is a 7:40-7:50 man.�

    The fact remains, the Nissan GT-R scored a 7:38 lap time on the Nurburgring using the tires it will come standard with in production trim. Gotta love the underhanded jab of the �wet patches on the circuit�. Simply impressive.
     
  14. #814 camaroboy, Nov 5, 2007
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    Nissan is on CRACK. lmao! 7:30! hahaaha! its one thing to say the GTR is as fast as a 997TT (it wont be unless its HUGELY underpowered) its another to say its as fast as the 140 hp+, 600lbs- Carrera GT. and going even faster than 7:30 with slicks?! roflmao!
     
  16. #816 ajzahn, Nov 5, 2007
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    nice to see Wikipedia referring to my list <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    but this was new to me:

    Unofficial F1 Lap Record

    On 28 April 2007, Nick Heidfeld drove a BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One car around the Nordschleife, on a BMW publicity day in combination with a VLN 4h endurance race[1]. For safety reasons, BMW announced that the car was slowed with hard demonstration tyres, maximum ride height, and 275 km/h speed limit. Heidfeld drove the combined Nordschleife and short GP-track, as used in VLN races, with a track length of 24.433 km (so comparison with older records is difficult). The official lap time released by BMW Sauber was declared to be 8:34 (thus ca. 30 secs slower than the fastest Porsche 996 turbo in VLN). The German press duly reported this lap time, yet criticized BMW. In each lap, Heidfeld slowed down once to pose for a slow video truck, at Schwedenkreuz on the first lap 1, Kesselchen in lap 2, and Döttinger Höhe in the last lap. The two time spans in between the three passes of Heidfeld were clocked by some fans around the track, first Wehrseifen to Wehrseifen in about 7:28, then 7:22 from Klostertal to Klostertal, which is over 50 secs quicker than the fastest current Porsche 997 GT3 RSR in VLN. This translates to an average of about 200 km/h, similar to Bellof's record, but considering the slow GP section, Heidfeld probably was faster on the Nordschleife, close to 6 minutes. Fans that respect the official record of the late Stefan Bellof settle for an "estimated 6:12".

    Road & Track magazine reported Heidfeld's lap was a 5:57 or 5:58 (for the Nordschleife only), breaking the track's six-minute barrier for the first time in history.[1] However, their times were done by measuring the speed in some corners, and then calculating a laptime, and not timing a full lap. A BMW video montage [2] with onboard, track side and helicopter camera views gives a better estimate of 6 minutes 40 seconds to the last corner.
     
  17. #817 MindlessOath, Nov 6, 2007
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    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=269555118
    read that before you talk smack.

    www.myspace.com/mindlessoath
    for some more vid's

    stop talking smack. your denying whats already truth.

    and it doesnt look like you read the post even anyways from the way you word'ed your reply.
     
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    I read it. want the main points?

    -Nissan says the GTR did a 7:38 with the track being partially wet
    -They said it would do close to 7:30 in the dry
    -they said it would do better than 7:30 with slicks


    again, Nissan is talking SHIT. the GTR will not even be CLOSE to cars like the 997TT, Gallardo or F430, let alone the Carrera GT. I wouldnt be surprised if this car didnt break into the 7s when SA tests it.
     
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    me too

    for that reason leave tha list as it is, no need to change (except of some new links to actual video footage I´ve added)
     
  20. #820 MindlessOath, Nov 7, 2007
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    btw from my comments im not trying to make or add a lower time than 7:38.54 at all. im arguing the fact that some people still dont belive it.
    i dont care that it could do faster tho this video below may help people belive that it could do better on a compleatly dry track...

    Zonda vs. R35 GT-R
    download the video here:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?8eewumc4mnj

    http://www.nissangtrproto.com/2007/gtr-thoughts/zonda-vs-r35-gt-r/
    appears you have to be the judge!

    who cares what it would do with slicks, that doesnt count, now does it?
    i was repling to a comment that is all.
     
  21. #821 ajzahn, Nov 7, 2007
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    latest addition to the list:

    With the ink barely dry on the timesheets confirming that their Zonda F Clubsport holds the fastest production car lap time around the Nürburgring Nordschleife, a Swedish tuning firm lowered the bar again yesterday. And by quite a considerable margin too.

    In a specially tuned M3 CSL, touring car driver Richard Göransson lapped the track in 7 minutes 22.9 seconds, shaving just shy of five seconds from the Italian supercar’s record set by 'Ringmeister Marc Basseng.

    The CSL used has certainly received plenty of attention in preparation for the run. The interior was discarded, and replaced with a roll cage and race seat, while windows and various items of bodywork were exchanged for lighter equivalents.

    The exterior also gained some go-faster fins on the wheelarches and a GTR-alike wing. More importantly, the car rides on a bespoke K&W, suspension set-up with big Performance Friction brakes.

    Oh, and did we mention the small matter of the supercharger which boosts the CSL’s already healthy bhp figure to around 600bhp.

    What’s more, the car is also up for grabs in a lowest unique bid auction with money raised going to charity, but not before another effort to beat the 7 minute 20 mark has been attempted.

    Looking at the picture of this CSL it’s hardly the sort of thing that you could use for anything other than assaulting European track days. While we do like the idea of the continuing war on the Nordschleife, it does beg the question just what the definition of a production car actually is?

    >>> www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17133
     
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    Yay for ajzahn contribuing to wikipedia !!!
     
  23. #823 puhpuh, Nov 7, 2007
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    That lap was far from clean.

    The driver totally screw up the technical part.

    This car can go much faster.
     
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    F1 cars can easily go under 6m but I doubt that this really happened during that test.

     

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