Nurburgring Lap Times

Discussion in 'Car Comparisons' started by ajzahn, Oct 28, 2004.

  1. Why would it be news? First of all, I think your average enthusiast will not be able to record 7:26 simply because of the cost to shut the track down for a full-on time assault; tourist laps, BTG, etc. aren't the same thing (though you can get reasonable estimates). Secondly, as you point out, the rear-engined Porsches take time to learn. Some mid-engined cars take a driver of race-car caliber to be fast enough to correct a spin; thus, Basseng for Evo. Even Rohrl wrecked a Carrera GT on the circuit. You think an average enthusiast can record 7:28 in the CGT? Any proof of an average enthusiast matching Basseng's time in the Zonda F or Maserati? Does it matter? Probably not. Basseng did the time (and could probably go faster).

    About Prost:
    "The steering wheel is fine, very fast but the front is not so intuitive."
    This is the first I've heard about the steering on the GT3 RS. I'd also be interested to know which settings he was using to extract the best from the car. PSM?
     
  2. Here I can't agree with you. My average enthusiast is comprensible that can't compete for lap record or Basseng times. I'm not saying 10/10ths. It is possible drive with our own drive ability, too. This means that GT-R is not faster than the GT3s after long long time at the wheel (trackdays) for sure or just how Japanese will want to delude future owners, enthusiasts, etc. Driving a car like a GT3 you can match with the GT-R, expecially with a lot of familiarity with both cars, too.

    PSM? I don't know.
     
  3. Well, I didn't say GT3 RS couldn't be as fast as GT-R in average driver's hands. I'm saying CGT is very knife-edge sort of car; Porsche wrecked at least 2 of them during development. Could possibly lap in 7:1x's...with a driver not yet born.

    Porsche says Mk2 GT3's are faster with PSM on. This tells me that perhaps there is not a special technique to get the best out of the car like with the GT-R (VDC off). Maybe there is. Who knows? We would have to see video to see how to get the best. Prost doesn't tell us the special technique to drive the GT3. Probably Patrick Simon knows or other Porsche 'Ring aces know.

    We know from Evo's test that the GT-R is for sure faster than the 997.1 GT3 on Bedford, a track which does not favor the GT-R. Chris Harris (experienced Porsche pilot) did the driving. GT-R was fresh off the boat, bone stock customer car with less than 400km and stil with 112 mph limiter. GT3 was official Porsche GB press car, with PCCB. Running quite well, I'm sure. Harris & Evo had track-tested rear-engined Porsches numerous times; that was their first timed laps in the GT-R.

    We also have videos of very fast customer GT-R's on other tracks. You can probably find GT-R vs Scuderia vids on youtube. There is another of a stock GT-R, driven by an enthusiast driver (not professional), setting a 1:36.875 at Road Atlanta with the slower Bridgestone RE070s. In a tire test session for Michelin, Ron Fellows (professional race car driver) set a 1:37.3 in a Z06 on its stock Goodyears (Michelin PS2 as on ZR1 was 4 seconds faster).
     
  4. The CGT? I don't know for sure. Remember that sometimes it seems there is no margin, but there is. HvS's time tell me there is margin, then Basseng's time there is not. But, was the first time at the wheel of it even for him. The days wasn't fine. Even for the Zonda CS seems there is no margine at that time, in first time on its hand. Today we say yes.
     
  5. In the recent talk to talk, face to face between Rohrl and Lieb, Walter seems to say that the real difference between RS and GT, 10s at the 'Ring, is the tyres develompment during these years. This is a sensation for him. Even, we know that Rohrl's lap times will to be improved for sure.
     
  6. #2106 ajzahn, Nov 19, 2010
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  7. even tough the Artega GT was fitted with the optional sports suspension which costs 1380 EUR extra, it ins´t any faster as the direct competitors:

    8:09 --- 151.66 km/h - Audi TT RS, 340 PS/1483 kg (sport auto 10/02)
    8:11* -- 151,27 km/h - Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
    8:13* -- 150.43 km/h - Artega GT, 300 PS/1272 kg (sport auto 12/10) *special sports suspension
     
  8. mmmmmmmmmmhh good job R8 GT "superleggera" <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> it seems much more better than standard R8 V10!
    next iussue?
     
  9. Ford Focus RS
     
  10. latest addition to the list:

    7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - Raeder Ford Focus RS, 363 PS/ 1441 kg (sport auto 01/11)
     
  11. next Supertest:

    the 250 bhp Renault Megane R.S. and R.S. Clubsport
     
  12. so good <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  13. a new record: the fastest FWD car at the Nordschleife so far!
     
  14. Hey just joining, glad to be here! I'm glad to be right here ultimately, going to publish due to the fact I've been reading a extended time.

    Sooo anyways, enough about me, see you around and hello again haha.

    BTW, what can I do to change the little picture thingy like some people have, I like it but can't figure it out haha
     
  15. latest additon to the list:

    8:29 --- 145.69 km/h - Renault Megane R.S., 250 PS/1409 kg (sport auto 02/11)
     
  16. #2116 ajzahn, Jan 22, 2011
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    pretty fast for such a little car, line sup with:

    8:29 --- 145.69 km/h - Audi TTS, 272 PS/1438 kg (sport auto 10/08) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=165234
    8:29 --- 145.69 km/h - Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
    8:29 --- 145.69 km/h - Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
    8:29 --- 145.69 km/h - MTM VW Golf V GTI, 272 PS/1437 kg (sport auto Tuning 07)
    8:29 --- 145.69 km/h - Renault Megane R.S., 250 PS/1409 kg (sport auto 02/11)
     
  17. next Suprtest: teh 550 bp Porsche Turbo S, feb 18
     
  18. ..550ps? not 530ps?
     
  19. 550 according to sport auto
     
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  21. #2122 spealueva, Feb 13, 2011
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  22. #2123 sreamer777, Feb 14, 2011
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  23. most likely
     
  24. latest additions to the list:

    7:44 --- 159.80 km/h - Porsche 911 Turbo S, 530 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 03/11)
    7:47 --- 159.84 km/h - Porsche 911 Turbo, 500 PS/1573 kg (sport auto 03/11)
     

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