Nurburgring Lap Times

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  1. #2151 TefsAbose, Mar 22, 2011
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  3. #2153 01246579, Mar 23, 2011
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    7:24.22 run

  4. new entry to the list:

    7:24.22- 168.64 km/h - 2011 Nissan GT-R according to /

    unbelievable, the ultimate supercar for the Playstation genrration is claimed to be as fast as the official record holder for stret-legal cars, the 700 bhp Gumpert apollo sport!?
  5. as always until sport auto tests it time is fishy indeed
  6. I've seen:
    a lots of GT-Rs
    a lots of tyres
    but surey this is not a "media manipulations", of course... <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  7. ...and just 2.5s faster than GT-R MY09 485ps... <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  8. #2158 MYfavour, Mar 24, 2011
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  9. That was a trial run time. Not official time attack. Before they could do a full-on run, it rained.
  10. Next Supertest: Audi RS3
  11. #2161 ajzahn, Mar 26, 2011
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    even a 7:20 seems to be in sight:

    An overnight spec-drop from the Land of the Rising Sun confirms the 2012 Nissan GT-R is the Car of the Rising Power with a 45 horsepower bump, which is enough to drop the Nurbürgring time to a Corvette ZR1-confounding 7:20.

    The new 2012 GT-R is now more than just slightly revised aerodynamics. According to NAGTROC, the 2012 model adds more power through added boost, larger exhaust piping, modified valve timing, and a few other tweaks.

    The new GT-R now makes 530 hp at 6,400 RPM and peak torque of 450 lb-ft from 3,200-6,000 RPM. They've also attempted to preempt any jokes by mentioning there's an upgrade to the transmission programming as well.

    Not surprisingly, they've extended the number of editions to six: Club Track (racing-only), EGOIST (super customized), Pure Edition, Black Edition, Premium Edition, and SpecV.

    Magically, the 'Ring time dropped from 7:26.4 to 7:20, enough to best both the ZR1 and Porsche 911 GT3 RS.

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  13. #2163 togectionenow, Apr 14, 2011
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  14. #2164 Jashautohap, Apr 22, 2011
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  15. latest addition to the list:

    7:36 --- 162.63 km/h - 2011 Nissan G-R, 530 PS/ 1784 kg (sport auto 05/11)

    wich is 2 secs. off the time set with the 2009 Nissan GT-R in the "Time Atack" even though the 2011 GT-R has plus 45 bhp and improved handling accoding to Nissan
  16. track conditions?
  17. sunny and calm
  18. avg = (7.34 + 7.36)/2 = 7.35 <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A>
    in absolute, is an excellent average.
    but it is far from the Pharaonic declarations (7.24 with cold rain, invasion of locusts)
    "sunny and calm"
    now, "he" will come to show us how the weather was not fine ... <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  19. And weren't you saying that 2s difference can't possibly mean the power difference?
    0-200 in 11.5 (comparable to US tests w/o rollout) vs 13.1.
    Once again proving that hp increase doesn't necessarily correlate to comensurate decrease in lap times. <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    You can have sunny and calm conditions, but still a damp track. You can also have 10-15s difference between even the same factory drivers. And who said it was raining and cold during the 7:24 lap, dipshit?

    mafalda, if you think 7:32 in the 458 is the best that car can do, then you're hopelessly confused/ignorant.
  20. +10% power = just 2s better (2/460s)!?!?
    your words about 7.24 are: "That was a trial run time. Not official time attack. Before they could do a full-on run, it rained." it sounds as like as "it'd easily better
    even so, after 3 long years, the Big Prediction of mine still wins: the claimed hot-laps @Ring are not repeatable, and the mighty GTR 530 still far the 7.29 of the MY08 485ps...
    7.24 ("That was a trial run time. Not official time attack"...just for fun <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> )

    7.43.6 (20.83 km)
    if you still believe in Nissan's funny claims, you're much more stupid/ignorant than me <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  21. I'm seriously entertained by you two. Sadly I don't have anything useful to join the discussion, but consider me being a smiling spectator <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
  22. mafalda, the times are repeatable. Just not by mag editors given one flying timed lap. Not even Nissan's own test drivers other than Suzuki can match his time.

    10% more hp = ?% faster time? What is your formula? Please provide the details, and how you derived the conclusion. While you're at it, provide me a link to HvS's driving video.
    Do you have reason to believe that the new GT-R *shouldn't* be faster in cornering?

    So, according to mafalda, 7:32 set by Sasha Bert in not great conditions, with full 20.8km timing, plus passenger, show true lapping potential of the 458. Haha. I think before you consider me the ignorant one, you should re-think that statement.

    Like I said, Nissan's time was not during rain. Idiot.

    And LOL @ averaging times. If HvS sets a 7:24 in a re-test of the 458, we should say 7:31 shows true potential of the 458.
  23. "10% more hp = ?% faster time? What is your formula?"
    I don't know... ask it to C. Harris, the Guru of " +1ps = media manipulation" :D
    as usual, in a desperate attempt to have the last word, you contradicted yourself. if more ps do not give appreciable advantages during the hotlap, where're the Ferrari - manipulations? rides derived from ferrari (as you say)upgrade still are reliable<A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    your polemics about 458 is just a pathetic attempt to distract attention to about GT-R. You do not want to admit that I was right (again): the GT-R, after 3 long years, cannot repeat the times claimed, and again as I predicted, the 530ps fails to match the claims about the MY08-485ps.
    However, since you care so much, I said, and I repeat it, S. Bert did a great lap with 458, and (under the same conditions) it would be difficult to improve.
    The conditions had to be good, as Bert with the various supercars did better than HVS. He did better with all (458, LF-A, 997 TT S, SLS, Gallardo SL).... except with the GT-R, apparently the only time that could not be improved <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

  24. C. Harris is not a member of this forum. YOU are. I'm asking YOU. What's your formula?
    But we do know what Chris Harris has said about Nurburgring times:
    "On days that seemed climatically identical but were months apart, [race] cars have seen up to a five second dispcrepancy in lap times. Including ours.
    I don't really care about Nurburgring lap times, largely because I think they often say far more about the condition of the circuit and the size of the driver's sexual organs...than they do the vehicle in question."
    It is conceivable, then, that in different conditions, 10s is possible with the same car. We have already seen that for even the same driver, Walter Rohrl (7:28 in testing the CGT, 7:40 while driving for AutoBild).

    The Ferrari minupulatons are evident in:
    1. "standard" 360 Modena beating out 360CS, 996 GT2, and customer F430s.
    2. customer F430s being slower than press F430s.
    3. crews tending to cars, changing ECU settings, providing their own fuel, and swapping out non-standard size wheels and tires
    4. your buddy F40LM saying Ferrari supply cars with non-standard ECU settings, higher octane, extended rev limits

    mafalda, do you consider changing tire pressures to be "manipulating," like Ferrari did for the Scuderia in Evo?

    You don't know that Bert had great conditions. AutoBild spent several days at the track. Did they get great conditions? We don't know.
    Bert is also a professional race car driver. HvS is a journalist, albeit a decently skilled one. One who has been proven to be 12s slower than Suzuki in a GT-R mule the same day. You have to be a raging idiot if you think Bert is going to go 10/10ths with a passenger in the car.

    Just because Bert drove faster, that means he found the *true* limits of the cars? LOL. What kind of logic is that? Tell me, how many laps in each car did he do? 7:43 is close to what Suzuki was doing during passenger demo rides, and he clearly lifts off the gas in places (most clearly at the kink @ Antoniusbuche).

    Tell me why the 'Ring GT-R mule was slower than the 997.1 Turbo on the autobahn. Also tell me you know for a fact that Bert and HvS drove with stability systems OFF.

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