ok, as i posted a while back, and got yelled and cursed at, and here it is, from motortrend. http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news15/ BMW is having trouble with Mini (gasp, big surpise here) to quote Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW) is looking to Peugeot for help with expanding its Mini car brand, as it lacks expertise in the small-car market, said analysts at Goldman Sachs, citing supplier sources. "We believe BMW is losing money on Mini and currently lacks the low-cost expertise to expand its small car range profitability. Supplier sources tell us BMW is looking to Peugeot for a solution, in the form of common platforms, purchasing and car manufacturing," said Goldman Sachs in a note to clients. going to Peuguet for help. Hmmmm.