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Discussion in 'Asian Forums' started by Big Rob, Apr 10, 2008.
GTR haters are coming up with every excuse in the book
the old gt-r's are really kool. looks cool, goes fast, sounds mad etc. etc. but what happened??!! the latest gt-r looks like ur average family car now. not sure about the speed or how it sounds, but the designers of the way it looks have dissapointed me.
gt-r body designers if u can read this, PLEASE MAKE THE NEXT SKYLINE LOOK KOOL!
I love the GTR more than nearly any other car on the roads. But I would take an F430 over it. A Ferrari V8 at 8000 rpm is a little more exciting than bragging to buddies about 0 - 60 in 3.5, not by much, but still takes it. IMHO:
GTR=Ferrari> Porsche> Murikan car
Meh, I can't see myself spending 200k plus on a car, ever if I had the money. The Ferrari is a great car and all but it's just a car. The supercar teenage phase has passed for me.
I think you have it the wrong way around.
Please view. One is understated, had a four door variant, the other is a supercar.
One persons opinion, I think that fantasizing teenagers that grow up to be fantastically rich douchebags and buy Ferraris/Lamborghinis/'insert supercar here/Bentleys/etc. have ruined the appeal of the cars. Not being either of the two, I can only go by what I've read and viewed to come up with the opinion that the Ferrari would be more 'exciting' to drive. I could be completely wrong.
But for the record, I would spend that much on a car if it delivered the ultimate driving experience.
Ok, the car has an open front differential, a standard mechanical limited slip in the rear, a pretty standard clutch plate setup in the center, and you can turn the traction control off. How exactly does it drive itself anymore than any other modern supercar? Even the F430 has a more complicated differential setup, and all these cars have traction control, adaptive suspensions, electronic brake force distribution, etc. Just accept the fact that one of the main reasons the GT-R handles so well is that it has a very well set up chassis/suspension and really good tires.
How to Buy a Nissan Skyline GT-R in America Right Now
Kaizo Industries Brings the Classic Skyline GT-R Into America One Piece at a Time
Go to a Nissan dealer, hand over a massive wad of cash and you will (eventually) drive off in a new "R35" 2009 Nissan GT-R. For the GT-R fanatic, however, that's too dang ordinary. For the hard-core, the R35 may as well be an Altima albeit an Altima that rips from zero to 60 in 3.3 seconds and laps the Nürburgring quicker than a Porsche 911 Turbo.
Nope, for the extreme Nissan nut, the real GT-Rs are still the Skyline GT-Rs, built with the steering wheel on the wrong side. After all, great as the R35 is, its ancestors the R32, R33 and R34 created the GT-R myth and earned the glory.
Built from 1989-2003, these three generations of Japan's greatest supercar were all equipped with Nissan's Super HICAS electronic four-wheel steering system, the now legendary ATTESA E-TS Electronic Torque Split 4WD System and a twin-turbocharged 2.6-liter DOHC 24-valve six, ridiculously underrated at 280 horsepower. Although their profile peaked back in 2003 when Paul Walker's character drove an R34 in the cinematic classic 2 Fast 2 Furious, demand is always high.
But buying a Nissan Skyline GT-R in the U.S. has never been easy. They were never really supposed to escape Japan, and Motorex, the company that once regularly imported Skyline GT-Rs into America, has imploded in a whole soap opera's worth of complications and legal turmoil.
So what's a Skyline GT-R lover to do? Call Daryl Alison. (714) 241-9087. He'll get you the Skyline GT-R of your dreams, some assembly required.
Meet Daryl Alison
At 43, Alison is tall, lean, muscular and shaves his head like a bouncer on Jerry Springer. He's a former cop (an Orange County sheriff's deputy to be precise) with a lifetime jones for high-performance cars; a whole slew of businesses built around them (including JSpecConnect.com); a warehouse in Costa Mesa, California, hard up against John Wayne Airport; and a slightly goofball purebred boxer named Julio who shadows his every move. Yes, he's the same guy who got the first R35 GT-R onto American streets and then put it on a chassis dyno for Inside Line.
He's also the principal behind Kaizo Industries' presence on this side of the Pacific. "Kaizo," Alison explains, "means 'modified' in Japanese. It's a company in Kamakura City which remanufactures body shells."
It's those remanufactured body shells that are the key element in bringing an R32, R33 or R34 over to North America. Once Kaizo has done the work necessary to make the shell ready for America raising the door beams, reinforcing the A-pillar-to-cowl interface, verifying that all the glass meets DOT standards, beefing up the seatbelt anchor points and removing non-compliant lighting equipment the company puts its own 17-character serial number on it and it's ready for export. But since it's missing an engine, transmission and differentials, it ships as an automotive component, not as a complete car. In other words, it's just a part.
"And the government," Alison says, "doesn't care that much about parts." As proof he offers up the EPA's own online statement regarding the importation of "kit cars" and their components.
The nut of that government page comes, however, down to this passage: "The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered 'motor vehicles' under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies. A motor vehicle from which the engine has been removed is still a motor vehicle and is not considered a body."
The Kaizo method of importation is, generally speaking, also the way Alison was able to bring in a pair of Japanese-market R35s before the U.S. version was ready for sale. However, in the case of the R35, the shells came from Nissan and not through Kaizo.
Some Assembly Required
Kaizo is constantly hunting down bodies for remanufacture but, Alison says, it has high standards about what it buys. "They go out and acquire mint cars at auctions," Alison explains, "and they reject many bodies. The R34 bodies we get here are perfect cars. Finding an [older] R33 or R32 that hasn't been beaten up is a lot tougher."
A solid R34 body will run somewhere between $50,000 on the low side and somewhere just above $60,000 from the primo nee-plus ultra-super body. R33s and R32s are rarer, but still cheaper, with the R33s running around the mid-$30,000 range when they're available.
And for that money, what Kaizo delivers is a right-hand-drive Skyline GT-R body with a full interior and all the expected DOT-approved glazing. But there isn't any lighting and only a big hole under the hood where an engine should be.
Theoretically, you could take your Kaizo-certified body home and make a coffee table out of it. Most buyers will, however, eventually want to drive that body.
"There's a handful of companies that sell drivetrains," Alison explains. And once you acquire a drivetrain, all you have to do is contract with a shop to have it all bolted in. With any luck that shop will know what they're doing.
"I intentionally distance myself from downstream," says Alison. And that's likely the best way to ensure that everything remains legal. It also means that it's unlikely that any Kaizo-sourced GT-R will be a "numbers matching" collector's item.
It also means that you don't necessarily have to install a RB26DETT 2.6-liter, twin-turbocharged straight-6 and all-wheel-drive system into your Kaizo-rubbed Skyline GT-R shell. "I know one guy who put a VQ35 [3.5-liter V6] from a Z-car into one and added a Stillen supercharger," Alison reports. And there are rumors of at least one R34 running around with a 5.7-liter LS6 small-block V8 from a C5-generation Corvette Z06 under its hood.
"It's no different than building a dune buggy," Alison says about Kaizo cars. "And they register in most states as 'specially constructed vehicles.' It's the same process they use to bring in the Noble M400."
Of course "most" states is not the same as "all," and the intricacies of every state vary. Some states, somewhere between 10 and 15, are notoriously easy to get a registration for practically anything in. Others, like California, have reputations that may be more daunting than the reality (though showing up around 5 a.m. at a DMV office on January 2 to get one of the new year's allotment of 500 special construction exemptions for the Golden State is an adventure).
Whatever state, it's unlikely that a Kaizo GT-R will register as a Nissan. When the body shell arrives here, it comes with a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) that rebadges the car as a Kaizo, and that's likely how it will register in whatever state it finds itself plopped down in.
Beyond that, it will likely register for the model year that Kaizo fortified the body, not the year Nissan originally built the car.
But the Kaizo process is legal and there's no reason the R34 shouldn't register successfully in any state. As long as, that is, all the various rules about emissions and the like are followed scrupulously.
The Big Bottom Line
So the big day arrives and the UPS guy dumps a big crate containing a Kaizo R34 body on your front lawn and another crate with whatever drivetrain you've decided should go inside it. You tear open the crates like a 6-year-old getting his first slot car set and spend the next couple of weeks Velcro-ing the two of them together. Everything goes great until about halfway through the process when you finally stop long enough to consider whether it's worth it.
As this is written, no one really knows what the demand for R32, R33 and R34 Skyline GT-Rs will be going forward. It may well be that the R35 is so awesome (and it is awesome) that even the most committed R34 fan dumps that box. Suddenly Craigslist is full of cast-off R32s, R33s and R34s that have already made it here, and prices collapse.
Conversely, it could be that the R35 just amps up the market for the older cars so that bringing them in Kaizo-style is even more profitable than cloning Hemi 'Cudas.
The bottom line today is that there are already at least a few hundred Skyline GT-Rs in America, and the easiest approach to getting one for yourself is to buy one of those when they come up for sale. And it's likely to be the cheapest method, too.
But for those who want a Skyline GT-R no one else has ever driven on these fair shores, there's the Kaizo way.
2,000-Mile Road Test
GT-R. GT-R. GT-R. It's all anybody can talk about.
"Hi, Mom. What's for dinner?"
"The 2009 Nissan GT-R."
"Who's going to win the Democratic presidential nomination?"
"The 2009 Nissan GT-R."
"What's the land speed of the cheetah?"
"The 2009 Nissan GT-R."
"Where do babies come from?"
"The 2009 Nissan GT-R."
And to perpetuate the discussion, we took a white 2009 Nissan GT-R on the ultimate road trip. In three days we drove that GT-R 2,000 miles across three states, with stops at one drag strip, one racetrack and one dry lake.
It was the trip of a lifetime. The world's newest supercar, flat out across the American West.
Did we speed?
Well, to quote the great Dan Gurney after his famous drive in the 1971 Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash, "At no time did we exceed 175 mph."
The best part? We took pictures and video of the entire trip. Enjoy the ride.
The old GT-R we're modified versions of a family car (the skyline), but this isn't based on any car, that's why they drooped the name skyline.
Because the car can corner a lot faster than many other cars, the normal people will find it difficult to slide the car and so on. When we see race drivers driving the car is a completely different story, they power slide and seem to be having a lot of fun (jason plato is one example).
the skyline has always been a nice sports car sedan etc. many differnt models. the GT-R was based of the skyline, they usually packed a larger engine in it and much more technology to make it much faster, especially around the track.
the GT-R R35 is a supercar right from the factory. its not based on anything before it or next to it. nothing on the R35 is used in any other car, and they say it probably will never share any parts with any other cars from nissan (or very few if any at all).
also... who uses the word KOOL to say Cool? thats was so AOL chat room for children, and it was like many years ago too. sounds like someone didnt mature.
The R32 GT-R looks badass as hell IMO, apparently they are balls crazy to drive too.
Some magazine tests and stuff, check them out:
2009 Nissan GT-R' Official Global Site
MotorTrend - GT-R First Test
Part ONE: (LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT)
Car Magazine - GT-R vs 911 Turbo @ Rockingham Race Circuit
Edmunds Inside Line - JDM Test at Zendai Race Track
"So has Nissan really built a world class supercar that costs just 70K dollars? we've only driven the car for a day, but the short answer is YES; it's not only blindingly fast in a straight line, it's easy to manage in the corners too and unlike most supercars the GT-R doesn't require a PRO to get the best out of it. And when you're not running at full speed the GT-R is about as practical as supercar as you'll ever gonna find. Factor-in its price and the 2009 GT-R leaves little room for complaint. The wait was long and the hype unavoidable, but the GT-R comes through in the end and makes good on ALL its promises..."
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"...that makes the GT-R the quickest production car we've ever tested, faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo, faster than a Dodge Viper and faster than the Corvette Z06..."
Ron Simmons LOL
"...the GT-R produces the most crushing acceleration of virtually any production car in the world. With this technique we beat Nissan's quartermile time too, as the GT-R crossed the line in 11.6 seconds and @ 121 mph, that ties the Porsche 911 Turbo for the quickest quartermile time in our books and LEAVES THE CORVETTE AND THE VIPER IN THE DUST..."
Ron Simmons LOL again
"...in the slalom, despite the less than ideal surface, the GT-R ripped through the cones at 72.9 mph, that's faster than both the Corvette Z06 and the 911 Turbo, only the 2008 Dodge Viper has produced a faster speed through the cones..."
Ron Simmons LOL x3
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The on lookers of the high speed runs on the Yakohama Bay bridge will chant only two remarks, "911 Turbo and Corvette ZO6." You remember that Panda Beat.
GTR EATS KINGS CRAP FOR BREAKFAST
GTR vs. ZO6
Short but sweet.
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"The Chevy Corvette Z06 has some major grunt and is poised to be a sure hit with domestic and import connoisseurs alike, but falls shy of besting the GT-R on the whole. And really, when we think about it; even a Lambo would pale in comparison to the much-coveted Nissan GT-R right now."
I don't even like the GT-R but at least I admit that it's an amazing achievement. I'm also enjoying watching the fanboys get their panties in a bunch.
So the GTR has a V6 with 32 valves and the Z06 has a a 32 valve engine?
From the article it seems that author did not drive either cars, well maybe possibly the Z06. He just kinda reads off the spec sheet, he says what the brakes are, but not how they feel or how well they work. He talks about the stero specs, but not if it sounds good.
"its not based on anything before it or next to it"
The PM platform is based on the FM platform, even nissan says that. It obvious that the platform is not purely designed for the GTR. First the engine does not sit very far back, a little further back than the 350Z that uses the FM platform. The GTR engine could only be moved so far back, because they had to use the same firewall location. A bespoke chassis you would want the engine further back, that way you would not need to run that rear-transaxle, that is obviously there because they could not move the heavy engine back far enough because of the modified chassis. Not to mention a bespoke chassis would probably have double arms in the rear and not multi-link.
i guess i was just going from what nissan has said... not anything else.
why is the R35 so much larger than the 350z?
i belive they used a rear transaxel for weight distrabution, making the car more balanced, not because they had to because of the chassis.
For myself, I love the car, but if I had the money would not get one because of all the annoyance factor of it. When I go out driving, I do not want to be harassed by every yahoo teen whom just got their lisence. That alone is a big turnoff.