Re: 120bhp nightmare to americans

Discussion in '2002 Lotus Elise Type 72' started by PsychezCol, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. #26 Linchpin, Aug 10, 2002
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    <b>This car is amazing and has been since its original release in 97 was it? Anyway nowhere else in the world could a road car produce this small amount have such a potent 0-60 time. Think this was impressive, check out the exige!!! however this was critisied for being more of a track car due to lowered suspension making it impractical. blah blah blah, beat that USA- u need a V8 5.0l to produce these speeds.


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    The Pontiac Vibe isnt even a sporst car and it has over 200hp.

    BEAT THAT!!!

    Chevy Malabu 170hp. BEAT THAT!!!

    Chevy Impala 200hp. BEAT THAT!!!

    Chevy Cavalier 140 hp. BEAT THAT!!!

    need I name more. AND yes they are all V6. If you dont believe me Go to www.chevrolet.com </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    1. It's Malibu.

    2. The Vibe has 180 HP, from a 4-cylinder engine made by, that's right, Toyota. It's the exact same car as the Matrix.

    3. The Cavalier has a 2.4 litre 4-banger.

    4. The Vibe, Cavalier, Malibu, and Impala would all get ripped by the Elise.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. Thank god someone else noticed that the Vibe and Matrix are the same car and as for the Elise i would love to have one and im American, oh and i wouldnt go around bragging about the malibu and the impala
     
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    <b>>>The majority, vast majority of americans on this site always talk about how the corvette will own anything with extra $$ spent on it and how this car or that car doesnt have enough bhp.



    How do you know they're Americans? Do you have facts to support your flaming of Americans?<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. I like (respect) the Elise. It does what it's made to do, handle. However, I would not buy one for the simple fact that, yes, it doesn't have enough HP. The Elise's performance is all fine and dandy but as soon as you fill the gas tank, put some gear in the back, and take a friend along for a cruise, the 120hp has more trouble pushing the extra weight. The 120 hp was made to push an extremely light car fairly fast. Add more weight and it can't do that. A car with more hp will not react near as much to weight changes as the Elise will. And don't call the Vette and Camaro "shitty" (I did not call the Elise shitty). Both of those cars will demolish the Elise in every performance aspect except handling AND are signifigantly cheaper. I know that Elise wasn't made to compete with these two but why buy a car with an enormous price tag when you can get better performance from something that doesn't cost near as much?<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. Alright you little assholes, I'm back!!!
    1. "120 bhp Nightmare?" Haha, your thread would've sounded better if you left out that "120 bhp" part.
    2. American 6-cylinder motors are quite good engines: There's the supercharged 3800 Series II in many GM sedans, the popular Duratec V-6 that spawned the Aston Martin's new V-12 powerplant. And, listen the the brains of 84FordMan:

    "Me, Jack Clifford, and everyone over at FordSix would have to disagree with you on that statement. Jack Clifford (Of CliffordPerformance.com) has proven his "6=8" motto time and time again. Not that long ago, I posted the results of one of FordSix's members and his naturally aspirated American six cylinder, 390+ RWHP. With a turbo, one can reach close to 500 RWHP."

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  6. looks like some people also need to look up the Buick Grand National, yes, a buick will tear the Elise's ass up in everything but on the track, thats right, a BUICK<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. ignore the above post<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Your post, or Pyro Maniac's post?

    Because Pyro's right about that Buick, 60 mph in under 5, 300 bhp. Don't forget about American inline-6s, the new GM 4200 Vortec, and old-style Chevy 250 and 292, Ford 300 (only engine that literally is bullet-proof), Mopar 225 Slant-Six (called "Half a Hemi").<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. I don't really car about that car that u mentioned(whatver it is)....this is an Elise forum!
    I could say the Tiger Z100WR could slate the Elise on the road and track...............0-60mph in 2.8secs and 0-100mph in 6.3secs.
    This is an Elise forum and I'd like to keep it that way!<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Vipergt662</i>
    <b>oh and i wouldnt go around bragging about the malibu and the impala </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    What the hell's wrong with the Malibu and Impala?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Your post, or Pyro Maniac's post?

    Because Pyro's right about that Buick, 60 mph in under 5, 300 bhp. Don't forget about American inline-6s, the new GM 4200 Vortec, and old-style Chevy 250 and 292, Ford 300 (only engine that literally is bullet-proof), Mopar 225 Slant-Six (called "Half a Hemi").</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    You're wrong about one thing. Toyota's 22R and 22RE are bullet-proof, as well.
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  12. The elise isn't more expensive than a vette! maybe it is in america because they know it wont sell there. As i said before it was not built to compete with vettes although i do agree with vader the vette boy because heez not makin the vette out to b sumthin its not.... now lets talk bout the elise......
     
  13. Well the malibu and impala suck. There is no longer a class for the malibu so not much competion and the impala gets smeared all over the road by honda and even hyundai.

    Well enough talk about boring cars and back to the elise. Im confident that the elise would tear up the buick in a road race beacuse i just got a video where an elise ran a damn good race against a ferrari f40. And that is just a little bit above the buick.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. Elise TT 190

    0-62: 4.6sec
    Top Speed: 136mph
    Power/Torque: 190bhp/170lbft
    Engine: 1.8 - litre four- cylinder supercharged
    gearbox: 5-speed manual

    and all for 28,730 stg

    ref: stuff magazine
     
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  16. Nightmare?!!! more like wet dream. First of all I am an American and I absolutely love this car. It is a work of art, but it kind of pisses me off that all the europeans seem to have a stereotype that all americans cannot tell a great car when they see it.
    It isnt all their fault, though. A good portion of the Americans posting on this thread are just proving their point. Their point is that a great car isnt just dependent on horsepower, 0-60, and top speed. All this quoting of viper horsepower ratings and corvette zero to sixty times proves their point for them. These are great cars in their own right but this is not the only way to compare them.
    Lastly, the vibe is basically a toyota car. My brother works for toyota's purchasing department and told about the venture a long time ago. I think it is a step in the right direction for pontiac.
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from TailGate</i>
    <b>This car is amazing and has been since its original release in 97 was it? Anyway nowhere else in the world could a road car produce this small amount have such a potent 0-60 time. Think this was impressive, check out the exige!!! however this was critisied for being more of a track car due to lowered suspension making it impractical. blah blah blah, beat that USA- u need a V8 5.0l to produce these speeds.


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    What the hell are you talking about/

    We build 4,800lb TRUCKS with AUTOMATICS that can beat this thing in 0-60, and just anniliate it in top speed.

    Hell Ford Winstar minivans are almost as fast as this thing.

    Spyder757
     
  18. Spyder757 .......how about you grow up?
    Have u driven this car or are you just an internet warrior?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>This car is amazing and has been since its original release in 97 was it? Anyway nowhere else in the world could a road car produce this small amount have such a potent 0-60 time. Think this was impressive, check out the exige!!! however this was critisied for being more of a track car due to lowered suspension making it impractical. blah blah blah, beat that USA- u need a V8 5.0l to produce these speeds.


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    What the hell are you talking about/

    We build 4,800lb TRUCKS with AUTOMATICS that can beat this thing in 0-60, and just anniliate it in top speed.

    Hell Ford Winstar minivans are almost as fast as this thing.

    Spyder757</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    he probably is right... but around a track it stands no chance, and then we aren't even talking fuel consumption...<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Who in there right mind woudl drive this car somewhere other than the race track? It's not something you want to commute in, and the point isn't to drag race.

    Maybe a nice, mountain road. That'd be fun.

    The acceleration is good; but I think the car is designed more simply for handling - it should be a pure joy to drive on some windy, narrow road. No Buick or Mustang is going to hold up to this thing in any race that isn't straight.

     
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    <b>This car is amazing and has been since its original release in 97 was it? Anyway nowhere else in the world could a road car produce this small amount have such a potent 0-60 time. Think this was impressive, check out the exige!!! however this was critisied for being more of a track car due to lowered suspension making it impractical. blah blah blah, beat that USA- u need a V8 5.0l to produce these speeds.


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    What the hell are you talking about/

    We build 4,800lb TRUCKS with AUTOMATICS that can beat this thing in 0-60, and just anniliate it in top speed.

    Hell Ford Winstar minivans are almost as fast as this thing.

    Spyder757</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    he probably is right... but around a track it stands no chance, and then we aren't even talking fuel consumption...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Spyder757 est un gros bouffon , un des ces pauv'types qui ramènent leur grande gueule sans rien savoir...
     
  22. for anybody that keeps ragging on the lotus....

    1. name one car with 120 hp that can beat it either in a straight away or in corners??
    2. name any STOCK american car that can beat it in handling??
    3. name any car other than a vette Z06 that can beat it on a track for about the same price.

    I'm not trying to be biased against american cars here, but everybody keeps saying (in this and other topics) that this car sucks because it only has 120 hp and that all american cars are better because they have more hp. blah blah blah, I'm just getting sick of it. half of the american car lovers are giving themselves bad names because they post incredibly stupid stuff. The Elise would be an icredibly fun car to drive on the road, it has better gas mileage than most economy cars, and it can crush cars with more than twice as much hp and that cost several times as much. The only car that I respect for about the same price is the corvette Z06. It would be a fairly close race between the two on a real track.
     
  23. oh i got the next greatest idea, compare a top fuel dragster and a lotus elise.
    average joe: the top fuel dragster has 6000hp and goes 400mph in a quarter mile. its way better. oops i forgot its not a production car, it would cost more if it was, and i forgot it cant turn.

    get the picture, vettes and vipers may be faster, but they are a whole new class, and they cost more. besides the elise turns better. and then we got people comparing them with ferraris, and people saying you would get a bunch of your buddies and load up gear, horsepower has no effect on how much weight you can carry, and why the hell would you take a race car out with your buddies and a whole bunch of gear, it holds two people.
     
  24. well, I'm not american, but I am Canadian... north of the 49 (no it's not frozen up here.. not all of it)

    I have to admit I'm a lotus fan, I love the car! why? cuz I find handling a small light car much more fun that drag racing!

    and that's the differnece, here in north america.. a HUGE past time isn't track races, it's street racing (drag racing) basically, who cares how things handle, its how fast you can do quarter mile, and if you can beat your friend to the next light...

    I think people that do that are missing out on some beautiful experiences, it's all about lateral G's.. going through switch backs feel great in small iight cars!

    my first experience in a miata was grand, rear wheel drive and great weight distrabution, it's just fun, who cares if you're only going 180km/h.. if you're not on a track in north america that's a ticket to lose your licence!

    "what's wrong with the malabu and impala?" hahhah.. i soo wish I had the strength to hold back my comments... I'm not even european, and I'm gonna say they are complete garbage! (however I am bias against chevy... becuase all thier new cars that i've experienced are unreliable and underpowered)

    However I have to admit the 2000 malibu V6 I took on a road trip had great gas milage, I got about 650 km's a tank... but for the whole trip I thought it as a 4 banger.. driving up the cokahala the thing was gutless (at speeds from 120-170km).. the drivetrain has no power delivery at all, you will have your pedal to the floor (or a quarter inch from it) and you're not accellerating.. until you hit the floor then it gears down 2 gears, and scream from 5000rpm upwards where you have minimal power... :S

    I test drove a 2001 impala.. ha... need I talk about it? ok I shall! for all you Europeans, thank God allmighty that you don't have these cars out there... (besides they'd barely fit on the roads..) not that they're that big for north american standards.. for europeans, it's big... but the 200 HP.. .. yeah.. my turbo dodge spirit had more torque...

    oh and the crapalier?.. I wonder how it could pass crash tests... oh well..

    time for me to regress.. sorry about that.. in thier day American Cars had thier thing.. they had big displacement, and massive torque that could make any grown man drop a load...

    but what this thread is about the lotus, and what makes the lotus great, which is it's handling! and that it does... no impala (gag) or malibu (shutter) is in that same class.. (scaryest thing was rounding a corner at 180km/h in the malibu.. I thought I was gonna die.. ever feel like the car was gonna compress the suspension on the outside of the turn?... eek.. good thing everyone was asleep in the car.. cept me of course)

    -siv

    ps, I'd take a lotus as a regular street commuter, it has great fuel economy, gets lots of looks, and is still fun to boot around in.. not to mention taking those corners fast... yay... and as for the blessed rain here in BC Canada.. that rear drive would be lotsa fun!
     
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