Re: 170 hp thats not even enough

Discussion in '2002 Ford Focus SVT' started by 94octainemotorsports, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. 170 hp thats not even enough

    man i can belive it only 170 hp i thougt it would have250 or even 300 what a slow car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. Enough for what? to race against a plane? they don't want to fight with plane they want 2 thing:

    1. they want to fight with civic si-r and steal as many of their customers as they can.

    2. they want to SELL THIS CAR! wich is not going to be possible if they buil a 50k$ 300hp car that want to be sold to 25 YEARS PEOPLE don't you think?

    and 3. they don't want to hear your stupid thinking like "170hp thats no even enough" because if they wanted they'll buy a race car just to send you to mars live with yourself still not as far from them but far anyway.
     
  3. we would all like to see a car with more hp but in a case like this that isnt feasible. It falls right in its target market and if your forgetting they are trying to make money. and if you would like 250-300 hp there is always the after market.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. this car "only" has 170 hp because svt wanted it to be affordable and look it's under 20 grand which is the price range of civics, celicas e.t.c. and has competitive power. most of these cars will prbably end up with thousands of dollars worth of mods in them anyway.
     
  5. I agree w/that guy who said the SVT Focus hit its target market, but in my opinion I think this whole rice-rocket is causing American car company's to lose interest in muscle cars. Look what happened to the Camaro/Firebird. The Mustang will probably be next (or is that last). Don't get me wrong, I love muscle cars, but I think American car company's should figure out ways to make more power with less fuel in modern day muscle cars...not feed into this whole "Fast and Furious" craze. Hopefully, people will lose interest soon.
     
  6. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from spdster2002</i>
    <b>I agree w/that guy who said the SVT Focus hit its target market, but in my opinion I think this whole rice-rocket is causing American car company's to lose interest in muscle cars. Look what happened to the Camaro/Firebird. The Mustang will probably be next (or is that last). Don't get me wrong, I love muscle cars, but I think American car company's should figure out ways to make more power with less fuel in modern day muscle cars...not feed into this whole "Fast and Furious" craze. Hopefully, people will lose interest soon.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Sport compacts have been around for decades. FOrd was right in the forefront of it with th eLotus COrtina back in the '60s, and straight into the thick of things with the original Escort in the early '70s.

    You have to remember that Ford is a worldwide conglomerate, and in MOST of the world, cars like the Focus are where the mass market performance market has been since the '60s. It has NOTHING to do with "The Fast and The furious." Do you think that stupid movie had anything to do with the introduction of the VW GTi back in the '80s? the Focus SVT is more of the true GTi than the VW has been for a while.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. 170 hp for the Focus is not enough but 160 hp for the Civic Si and 180 for the Sentra is good. I don't get it<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. I think ford should have made made the focus with a little more power to begin with...it hould have been like so:
    base - 130 hp (actual is 110)
    zetec - 170hp (the actual svt engine)
    svt - 170hp+supercharger = 200-240hp
    cuz really....an svt shouldn't have under 200hp.
     
  9. Listen, 170 hp in this car propels it to a 6.7 second 0-60 time, for 17, 995 dollars. I am ordering one in the next 2 weeks, im 16, and my dad says this is a perfect first car, though ive been driving for 6 months. if you want more hp, a supercharger from Jackson Racing will put you at 231, and its only 3000 dollar (2,700 something). And i called SVT, and they said there would even be after market upgrades that could total up to a 30 hp gain that DONT violate the warranty, which would put you at 200 hp and you STILL keep a 3 year warranty that none ot the cars previously mentioned here can match, and a 0-60 time below 6.5 seconds, possibly around 6.2 to 6.3 seconds. 5 magazines have given it the hands-down number 1 when compared to all the cars previously mentioned here (Civic Si, Celica GT, Sentra, GTI, etc...), and Automobile magazine just gave it Coupe of the year, and the Focus recieved the honor of Car of the Year, and not for the first time since its conception either. With all the after market upgrades, you could easily have 250 hp in this car, enough for a 0-60 in the lower fives or less, and STILL not have spent more than 25 grand, there is no other car in this price range that can compete, and it is hands down one of the most practical cars i have ever seen.
     
  10. you kids dont know anything about the aftermarket... you can bolt 4 turbos to this and the warranties would still be valid. one of the few things that would void a warranty is porting and polishing because if they look in there and see the heads ground down theyll get mighty pissed. but they have to prove that it was the aftermarket upgrades that damaged the engine and not a faulty engine under the magnusson-moss warranty act of 1975. if they tell you some bs like that call the ftc and mention the act and they will investigate and press charges against the dealer that claimed it voided your warranty. the reason they kept it at 170 is so that it would be a better buy for the age group they chose to aim it at... if you went out and bought a v-6 mustang even if it was a v6 and you were under 25 insurance would be a mf... v-8's youll have to pay about a third the price of the car every year until you turn 25. the mustang will not die like the horribly made camaro and firebird will. no matter hwo much faster they were thats all they had. poor visibility, horrible interior quality and bad fit and finish killed the fbodies.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Kahless</i>
    <b>you kids dont know anything about the aftermarket... you can bolt 4 turbos to this and the warranties would still be valid. one of the few things that would void a warranty is porting and polishing because if they look in there and see the heads ground down theyll get mighty pissed. but they have to prove that it was the aftermarket upgrades that damaged the engine and not a faulty engine under the magnusson-moss warranty act of 1975. if they tell you some bs like that call the ftc and mention the act and they will investigate and press charges against the dealer that claimed it voided your warranty. the reason they kept it at 170 is so that it would be a better buy for the age group they chose to aim it at... if you went out and bought a v-6 mustang even if it was a v6 and you were under 25 insurance would be a mf... v-8's youll have to pay about a third the price of the car every year until you turn 25. the mustang will not die like the horribly made camaro and firebird will. no matter hwo much faster they were thats all they had. poor visibility, horrible interior quality and bad fit and finish killed the fbodies.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are wrong about the warranty. I bought a 2001 mustang gt in november and was thinking about supercharging it. I asked the salesman what I could do to the car and still have a warranty. I could put new exhaust on, put a chip in it, new air intake, but no supercharger! So I would guess that a turbo would also void the engine warranty. Oh and I'm 24 and my insurance it 550 a year on my stang. I don't think that is 1/3 the cost of the car every year. But every insurance company is different, so wome people could pay a ton of money a year for a stang or camaro.
     
  12. #12 Roots, Aug 9, 2002
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    ok... I work for a American company based in the UK and we ship these Fords in to the UK, There called ST170's over here ( http://www.fasterfords.com/focus_st170.htm ) and apart from the badge there the same, My job is to repair the one's that get damaged in transit....yes we fill them full of filler slap some paint on and send them off to the show rooms. You may be shocked to here this but alot get damage,Due to them being driven of boat's and parked at the dock's at warp factor 10 buy people on £4 an hour who dont give a shit and Ford no all about it infact it was there idea!
    New wings,doors,tailgat's,fillering roof's the lot.
    There not the only one's, We have contract's with Honda, Jaguar, Ford, Misubishi, Mazda, MG, BMW, Toyota, Renult and Rover.
    And ive worked on them all and Ford are the worst!! I can stip half the car with a clip remover and a phillip's screwdriver, The paint is soo thin its transparant and impossible to match, Trim clips that crumble to dust at the sight of a clip remover, Outer trim that should be riveted on but to save time...stuck on with double-sided tape, I could go on but, Out of all the Manufactures Honda are the best! you have to pass a special driving test just to drive them around the parking lot.
    So my point is Ford are Bad very bad, the ST170 Focus gets to 62mph in 8.2 seconds (official Ford figures,check link above)and it's Honda counterpart the Civic type-R (With the same price tag http://www.hondacivictype-r.com/ ) will do it in 6.2, It will even beat an S2000 round a track quite easly.
    Buy Honda, Then you know your getting a good car,and they come with a 90,000 mile warranty!! (in the UK think its 110 in US not sure)
    Point made <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  13. aren't we making this sound abit to big than it should be, and why are you working for ford if you hate them so much. half of what you say i am sure isn't true because i checked them out few days ago sy yhr dealer and i didn't see nothing wrong with paint or fabrication. i checked more than one car, and if the honda civic type R beats this than focus rs woops civics ass, they are not in same price range don't compare them. anyway honda is loosing money in europe and they only have 1.3 percent market share in europe, so there aint many of them over there.
     
  14. #14 Roots, Aug 9, 2002
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    ok 1st off I dont work for Ford! never have and never will! not for all the money in the world! well maybe for all the money in the world then I could buy them out and close it down <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    also this Ford svt is only avalible in the US so I cant say if its good or not depends if its made in the same place (Spain) I expect it is and then sent to the US to have svt bitts stuck on.
    I know Ford sell more cars,This is because they make a car for the masse's,Its no differant than anyother day to day car, But! it's the way they treat them before the costomer gets it is my problem.
    In the UK the Ford ST170 is the same price as a Honda Civic type-r!!
    I know maddness! a Focus with a 170hp engine Vs a Honda type R!
    The Type-R is no Civic with bolt-on bits its bilt from scratch as a track car with the same body as a Civic.If you get the chance to see one take a look underneath you'll be surprised.
    And thats why there winning the British Touring Car Championship (production class) at the moment ( http://www.btccpages.com/).
    These are track cars and dam good one's and for the same price as a Ford Focus £15,995,As the world gone mad?
     
  15. Rook, you think you know cars, but you don't know shit. I've been dealing with cars, both in building them from scratch, and rebuilding crash damage for decades. I've been racing sports cars and sports sedans for decades, and have owned personally over a hundred cars from most major manufacturers. How many Lotus Cortinas have you dealt with? How many historically significant sports saloons have you worked on, raced, or owned?

    Very little about what you say about the Focus is true, as it turns out. Same for your contention about the way they are built, you relaly need to understand construction a bit more.

    Bonding parts is much better for later repair than riviting, and actually allows a part that is hit to be reused instead of scrapped (due to the rivited area tearing).

    The SVT is based on the Focus built here in America (generally in Mexico), not spain.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. the dealer was full of shit. unless the sc blows the engine apart from the pressure *like they tend to do because the fuel pumps cant handle over 300hp on the stangs so you need to do a few more upgrades if you want to haul and stay in one piece* they still have to work on it. get a copy of the act. as long as its a fomoco part and it breaks through normal wear and tear or manufacturer error they replace it. <!-- Signature -->
     
  17. once again this car sux.... what ford really needs to start focusing on is gettin there shit together wih the mustang cuz there goin to need a lot more than 260 horses when chevy brings the F-body back 2004
     
  18. Here in the UK Ford are releasing a Focus RS version with 212hp!
    For a small car thats very good and considering its front wheel drive!
    But I still think 170hp is still a good spec for a car of this size!
     
  19. you lucky bastard, ford might be bringing that car over to north america. to bad we have to wait till 2005 to get the 300hp allwheel drive version of the new focus. ahh well.
     
  20. Still, UK magazine reviews have called it a bit gutless, particularly compared to the similarly priced Civic Type R.

    Tom
     
  21. I seriosly doubt Ford will come out with a 300+ horsepower version of this car, why would they anyway?
     
  22. man, none of you people know shiet about what you are talking about!

    A warrenty can not be voided unless a aftermarket part is proven to have cause the problem. Although, for the average person with no mechanical knowledge, it is almost impossible for them to know if a part is or isn't the cause of the problem.


    The CTR is not a groud up build up of a new Civic.
    it shares the same motor and drivetrain as the US spec RSX Type S, with a better suspenion more suited for the size of the car.
    The CTR is the same price as the ST170 BUT, the CTR was originally price at the same level as the RS which is such a quantum leap beyond the CTR, and nobody would pay for the CTR when they could have the RS for a little more. thus, Honda dropper almost $5500 off the price of the CTR to make it the best in it's price range, which it is. too bad honda is loosing upto $1000 on each CTR they sell.

    Last time i checked, the ST170 was assembled in the Ford plant in Germany beside the standard Focus. the ST170 is not the "SAME" car as the SVT, they share the same chasis, suspension and drivetrain, but that is where the similarity ends. they get differant body panels, bumpers, lights, seats, dash trim.....basicly a completely differantinterior along with the fact that the UK ST170s are RIGHTHAND DRIVE, while the SVT is left hand drive. if you knew shit about cars and manufacturing, which you obviously do not, you'd know that the logistics are alot more than you make them out. Ford is not dumb enough to ship a car across the pond when they have a couple of Plants in Europe that can build the cars to Eurospec for much less than it would be to Retrofit an exsiting US Spec car to EuroSpec.

    Oh, and the RS will never make it to US Shores.
    in late 2005 or early 2006, the US will get a version of the Cosworth Focus(turbo AWD) most likely to fall under the "SVT Focus R" name plate(a-la Cobra R) with 270hp, AWD, and price around the same price as a base Cobra. this "Focus R" will follow the same design style as the Cobra R with racing seats spartan interior, no AC, no radio, etc.


    please, try and know what you are talking about rather than talking out your asses like you all seem to be doing!
     
  23. Focus R? all wheel drive? that sounds like the future US Mondeo
    the 2000 SVT R doesn't have the concepts you mentioned... however the newer version (2002) did have premium sound, and ac.
    a car with a more higher performance stats, probably will not fall under the Focus name... but rather Mondeo, or a newer name.
    In fact, the car you mentioned might even end up with the Mercury or even Lincoln badge. meaning there will be options.

    honda got cheaper cars. but the newer Fords, tend to have more power, and more room for modification.
     
  24. Mustang GT for 2004 is going to have 285HP, nothing else, I dont think ford is too worried about increasing the HP on the GT because they need to keep it affordable. Also because they will also have the special model mustangs running anywhere between 300 to 320 HP. The Cobra will sport a NA engine producing over 400HP, Im assuming it will be the 415 HP NA 5.0 Engine of the Fr500, upgraded of course. On top of that, the mustangs will be redesigned, sporting a new suspension system, like the Lincolns. Now HP alone will not get people to buy Camaros over mustangs, there is alot more to it than that. Remember that the Z28 had more HP than the gt and the SS had a little more HP than the cobra, but even still the sales of the mustang outranked the sales of the camaro/firebird/firehawk/corvette put together
     
  25. the base for the zetec is 130 , the zetec isnt only for the SVT, its on the ZX3 and the ZTS
     

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