Re: 82hp/L what is this crap

Discussion in '2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept' started by 2003 ss R, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. I like this car a lot.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. 82hp/L what is this crap

    Dont get me wrong...im not saying that this is a bad performing car casue its not. BUT, i think they should be able to do a hell of a lot better than 82hp/L.......and regardless its still ugly.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. some people just don't understand hp/L is specific output not efficiency smaller engines make high hp/L numbers easier than big engines due to the increased weight and drag caused by having bigger parts this engine is emmense thus it is hard to make high hp/L 82 hp/l is incredible specific output for a normally aspirated engine of this size. <!-- Signature -->
     
  4. well the viper is 8 liters.......and its got 100hp/l...i see the TNT king snake has a real similar displacement to the camaro...and it gets 95hp/L......the mclaren is 6 liters 100 hp/liter......hum......then u got a 2.8 liter skyline pulling over 300 hp/L.....hum intresting.........i cant find a damn car on this site that has that lower a horsepower per liter save a few crappy rides.........so whats that tell me.....it tells me that GM engineers are horrible and must use a massive engine that weighs about as much as honda......just to make it go fast......bad trade off.....<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. but like i said this is normally aspirated that viper you spoke of is the venom 800 TT TT means twin turbo and i don't think you had any cars on that list that were normally aspirated if you go to turbos look at the lingenfelter cars the 650 makes 650 hp from 3.7 literes the 427 TT makes 800 from 7 liters that equates to more than 100 HP per liter for them both and now there is a supercharger kit from lingenfelter that can get 500 HP from 5.7 liters which is still pretty good. if you want low hp/l go to mercedes ond i believe aston martin.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. well you got me on the viper....however the McClaren is NA i belive.
    i really cant say much casue you made a lot of sense. At least i still have the fact that this car is ugly.......<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. I don't know how you can say this is ugly. Look at the hood, it just says, imports will get wasted. Besides don;t post things like that. You think it's ugly, what about the other 75-100 thousand people who buy this car everv year. But whatever, your just trying to get people to argue with you.
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Lngnfltr</i>
    <b>I don't know how you can say this is ugly. Look at the hood, it just says, imports will get wasted. Besides don;t post things like that. You think it's ugly, what about the other 75-100 thousand people who buy this car everv year. But whatever, your just trying to get people to argue with you.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    acctually, 75-100 thousand people peole dont but this car every year. no one buys this car becasue its a concept car. The hood says im stuffed with a really big engine because i weigh so much i can get out of my own way. alomst ne jap car with body work has much better lines that this box. <!-- Signature -->
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Lngnfltr</i>
    <b>I don't know how you can say this is ugly. Look at the hood, it just says, imports will get wasted. Besides don;t post things like that. You think it's ugly, what about the other 75-100 thousand people who buy this car everv year. But whatever, your just trying to get people to argue with you.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    acctually, 75-100 thousand people peole dont but this car every year. no one buys this car becasue its a concept car. The hood says im stuffed with a really big engine because i weigh so much i can get out of my own way. alomst ne jap car with body work has much better lines that this box. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I think he meant camaro ss's get sold 75-100,000 times a year.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
    <b>well the viper is 8 liters.......and its got 100hp/l...i see the TNT king snake has a real similar displacement to the camaro...and it gets 95hp/L......the mclaren is 6 liters 100 hp/liter......hum......then u got a 2.8 liter skyline pulling over 300 hp/L.....hum intresting.........i cant find a damn car on this site that has that lower a horsepower per liter save a few crappy rides.........so whats that tell me.....it tells me that GM engineers are horrible and must use a massive engine that weighs about as much as honda......just to make it go fast......bad trade off.....</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    The Viper is NOT 100hp/l. The NEW 500hp viper is a god awful 62.5 hp/l. You're thinking of the Hennessy 800TT Viper, which is a TWIN TURBO my friend. Turbocharging brings us to a whole new ballpark. You want to compare hp/l for twin-turbocharged cars? How about JUN autosport's street legal 300zxTT which puts out 1,000hp. The engine is bored out to 3.2 liters, thus making the car 312.5 hp/l. Sit down, Hennessy Viper 800TT.

    As any experienced supercar enthusiast will tell you, the Viper is just a crude hot rod -- basically an engine on wheels.

    By the way, This zl1 concept was outperformed by the Mustang BOSS concept in an issue of car & driver in 2000. I believe the camaro pulled a 2.1 second 0-60 time. They thought they had it in the bag, but the mustang ripped up the 60mph mark in 1.7 seconds. Both were on drag slicks, of course. I'm not trying to badmouth the camaro -- While im not a big fan of camaros or mustangs, I have to admit that these 2 concepts are marvels of engineering.
     
  11. Hp/L wont get you jack shit... Every one should know that as you increase size "efficiancy" goes down. You should also kno wthat an 8 liter engine with 500 hp will kick the shit out of a 2 liter engine with 300 hp. Hp/L is just a number that wont get you performing better at all. The most important stat is the power to weight ratio. Thats what you should be arguing not your stupid "imaginary" statistic Hp/L. HA!<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 4 the man</i>
    <b>Hp/L wont get you jack shit... Every one should know that as you increase size "efficiancy" goes down. You should also kno wthat an 8 liter engine with 500 hp will kick the shit out of a 2 liter engine with 300 hp. Hp/L is just a number that wont get you performing better at all. The most important stat is the power to weight ratio. Thats what you should be arguing not your stupid "imaginary" statistic Hp/L. HA!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    everyone wants to say what a sweet ride this is. well just be know that there is alot of work that could be done to make it better. There is no reason GM shouldnt be able to get more power out of a motor that big. it is much more impressive for a little engine to have 500hp than a huge engine to have 800hp<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. impressive or not the 800 hp engine will usually win and this car could easily be tuned to malke more power but they wanted to keep it fairly streetable.and yes the boss beat this in a comparison but this only broke the rearend the boss after the test was only running on 6 cylinders this car ran a 10.69 in the 1/4 during that test but it has run 9.55. whereas the boss has a best of 10.55and this won the road coarse portion of the test.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. HP/L is not a good estimation of how "great" an engine is, horsepower is a function of torque, the only reason your S2000 and RSX get such high HP/L is because they redline at 8000-9000 RPM, you should check out their torque figures.. pretty small compared to the HP, eh?

    "well the viper is 8 liters.......and its got 100hp/l"
    I'm sorry kid, but you're only half right there, the only Viper I know of with 100HP/L is the Hennessy 800TT, TT meaning Twin Turbocharged, does this version of the Viper also have a bored/stroked engine?

    Even if you DID judge by HP/L, I'd say that 82 is quite good, you've also got lots of torque to work with!

    The best way to judge how your car is going to perform is to have an accurate torque/hp curve and gear ratios and such. You can make your first impression off of the basic [email protected] and [email protected] figures, as well as 0-60 and top speed, but to get a good feel of how the ride in the car and the greatness of the engine is, a graph of engine performance throughout it's climb to redline is pretty useful and tell tale.<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. HP per Liter doesn't mean shit!

    its HP to Weight Ratio is what your after!!
     
  16. In terms of hp/kg and hp/L it's not a bad car , but other cars are better.
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
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    <b>Hp/L wont get you jack shit... Every one should know that as you increase size "efficiancy" goes down. You should also kno wthat an 8 liter engine with 500 hp will kick the shit out of a 2 liter engine with 300 hp. Hp/L is just a number that wont get you performing better at all. The most important stat is the power to weight ratio. Thats what you should be arguing not your stupid "imaginary" statistic Hp/L. HA!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    everyone wants to say what a sweet ride this is. well just be know that there is alot of work that could be done to make it better. There is no reason GM shouldnt be able to get more power out of a motor that big. it is much more impressive for a little engine to have 500hp than a huge engine to have 800hp</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Well you might think that having a smaller engine making 500hp is more impressive than a bigger engine making 800hp, well I hope your still impressed when the 500hp little engine is getting its ass kicked by the 800hp bigger engine.
    The only time anyone brings up the hp/liter thing are r1cers when they lose a race. "Well my car still has more hp/liter", thats when the guy with the faster car starts laughing and walks away.
    Anyway GM made this car very quicly to go against the boss mustang. They didn't have time to tune it and bring out its full power, same with the boss.
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
    <b>well the viper is 8 liters.......and its got 100hp/l...i see the TNT king snake has a real similar displacement to the camaro...and it gets 95hp/L......the mclaren is 6 liters 100 hp/liter......hum......then u got a 2.8 liter skyline pulling over 300 hp/L.....hum intresting.........i cant find a damn car on this site that has that lower a horsepower per liter save a few crappy rides.........so whats that tell me.....it tells me that GM engineers are horrible and must use a massive engine that weighs about as much as honda......just to make it go fast......bad trade off.....</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Let me make a little list of common supercars on this site with their hp/l and we'll see how they stack up.

    2000 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe with 70.77 hp/l
    2000 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish with 75.82 hp/l
    2000 BMW Z8 with 80.96 hp/l
    2001 Chevrolet Camaro SS with 57.34 hp/l
    2003 Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary with 61.78
    2001 Dodge Viper GTS with 56.32 hp/l
    2003 Dodge Viper RT/10 with 60.44 hp/l
    2000 Ferrari 360 Modena with 110.18 hp/l
    1995 Ferrari 456 GT with 63.22 hp/l
    2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello with 89.58 hp/l
    1992 Ferrari 512 TR with 86.59 hp/l
    2001 Ford Mustang GT Coupe with 56.52 hp/l
    2000 Ford Mustang Boss Concept with 85.5 hp/l
    2000 Honda S2000 with 125.19 hp/l (highest hp/l on the list so far, but look at the other numbers)
    1997 Jaguar XK8 Coupe with 72.6 hp/l
    2000 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 with 91.79 hp/l
    2002 Lamborghini Murcielago with 93.67 hp/l
    1997 McLaren F1 with 103.41 hp/l
    2001 Mercedes-Benz SLK320 with 67.21 hp/l
    1998 Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR with 88.72 hp/l
    2002 Pontiac Firebird Coupe with 52.73 hp/l
    2001 Plymouth Prowler with 71.92 hp/l
    2002 Porsche 911 Carrera with 88.89 hp/l
    2000 Porsche Boxster S with 79.27 hp/l
    2000 Saleen S7 with 78.56 hp/l
    1998 Shelby Series 1 with 80 hp/l
    2002 Toyota MR2 with 76.92 hp/l
    2000 TVR Cerbera 4.5 with 93.85 hp/l
    2000 TVR Cerbera 4.2 with 84.14 hp/l

    There's some of the best known sports cars in the world with the hp/l, respectively. As you can see, most of them are in the 70's or 80's, yet still are fast cars. Others have over 100 and will get wasted by this car. If you want to slam this car for having hp/l in the 80's, take a look at other cars and slam them while you're at it. Oh, and all those periods you use in great numbers, the English language has a very simple replacement for that called the comma. It looks like this; (,). Have a nice day.<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. Damn maranelloboy way to put his *****-ass in place! He's a complete moron everytime he posted something I had to contradict him, and then he had the nerves to try and contradict me back, but it didn't work! Especially when he said the Blitz Skyline would whipp this cars ass, and how also claimed that you couldn't build this car. But guess what? I provided links for him to prove him wrong! Sometimes it takes research like you and I do, but doesn't it feel great to put someone in their place? <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  20. How true.<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. maranelloy boy is damned ferrarist ! that is why he criticizes our automobile production! he doesn't know what a muscle car is!
     
  22. people don't understand what a treue muscular is, here is one of the best answer.
     
  23. Look at the mazda Rx-7...It only has 255 horspower(american spec) and has a 1.3 liter rotary engine....You make the math on the hp/L ratio.
     
  24. If you look at the Mazda Rx-7, it pushes 280 horsepower(Japan Spec)
    And it only has 1.3 liters. You do the math on the Hp/L ratio.
     
  25. American cars CAN be performers if they choose to be that way. they get there power from larger engines and thats their style. My only problem is i wish they could be alittle more efficient with the displacement used. Still Vipers and Corvettes never siece to amaze me with price and performance, the fundamental key to most honest car enthusiasts.
     

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