Re: a masterpiece of engineering. american cars suck

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<b>you gotta accept it for what it is. This car is 2 liters, 2 seats, small roadster doin 0-60 in recorded 5.2 secs. Sharp steering at high G's. Thats pretty damn good at 30 grand.

By the way America has been at war with Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and won. And all these countries are now allies that make great machines. Especially great cars but americans make better war machines.

Our cars are steak and potatoes compared to other countries design philosophies. We like old fashioned big gas guzzling power and like to buy gas from terrorist states so we can beat these countries up after supplying them with money for weapons. Who knows maybe Afghanistan will make good cars someday too.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

I'm not going to even respond to your ignorant world views.

Your 'point' about American gas guzzling cars...?
Mustang GT gets 18/26
Camaro z28SS gets 19/28
Corvette z06 gets 19/28

How about our steak and potatoes philosophy? We make cars that beat all foreign competition, even ones that cost 50% more. I dare you to find a $34,000 car that can beat the 2003 Cobra, or a $50,000 car that can beat the corvette z06. If that's a little too simple and 'steak and potatoes' for you then complain about hp/Lt, that's all you like to say.

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<b>Who cares about power? As long as it has the performance that it needs to beat its rivals.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

It doesn't even come close to beating its rivals. The camaro z28SS is a low to mid 13 second car, and the Cobra is a 12 second car. The s2000 is a low 14 second car. The performance and power isn't there.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->S2000's rivals are AUdi TT, Porsche Boxster and BMW Z3.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Your comment was actually in response to Seansvette's, where he said that no honda can beat a mustang GT or cobra, camaro z28 or SS, corvette, or viper.<!-- Signature -->

 

a masterpiece of engineering. american cars suck

I doubt american carmakers can put out 250nonturbo hp in 2liters reliably. this thing looks good and is worth every penny. The only good car america has is the chevy corvette and that car is all speed and no quality. Hell my nissan maxima is better built than any chevy. Honda once pumped 900hp from 1.5 liters(turbo)

amercan autmakers poop out cars. thats why they are crap i got evidence
http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/usedpicks.html <!-- Signature -->

 

Nuff said

 

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<b>I doubt american carmakers can put out 250nonturbo hp in 2liters reliably. this thing looks good and is worth every penny. The only good car america has is the chevy corvette and that car is all speed and no quality. Hell my nissan maxima is better built than any chevy. Honda once pumped 900hp from 1.5 liters(turbo)

amercan autmakers poop out cars. thats why they are crap i got evidence
http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/usedpicks.html </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Oooooh 240 horsepower from 2 liters! Wow. Nothing like a 153 ft/lbs of torque to really get your blood boiling.

Fact: Horsepower per liter does NOTHING for performance

Fact: It's easier to get high HP/Liter from a tiny engine because it's easier to rev them to high RPM. When you reduce the stroke, you increase the revs while decreasing overall displacement.

Fact: If you lose to a larger displacement engine, you still lose

Fact: There is no Honda that can beat the Mustang GT, Camaro, Corvette, Viper, Cobra, Firebird or even Lighting without spending a lot more money.

Hope crying about displacement makes you feel better about getting your doors blown off by an American V8.

And yes, Hondas are very reliable. They do make fantastic grocery getters.

Nuff Said
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<b>I doubt american carmakers can put out 250nonturbo hp in 2liters reliably. this thing looks good and is worth every penny. The only good car america has is the chevy corvette and that car is all speed and no quality. Hell my nissan maxima is better built than any chevy. Honda once pumped 900hp from 1.5 liters(turbo)

amercan autmakers poop out cars. thats why they are crap i got evidence
http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/usedpicks.html </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Seansvette covered most, but did you also know that we aren't in the 80s anymore. Corvettes are very reliable sports cars. Car and driver rated it as one of their top ten cars. Also, America also makes the mustang, viper, gt40, thunderbird, Lightning, trans am and camaro (up till this year), GTO. Those are all good cars.<!-- Signature -->

 

Why don't you move to Japan you #$%#in' ricer. If you're American, quit dissin american power, no honda or acura or nissan or any other import will ever and I MEAN EVER COMPARE to any American Muscle car, go #$%# yourself, no seriously.

Japs did kamikazee missions in the wars, and now they make cars, go figure..........

 

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<b>Why don't you move to Japan you #$%#in' ricer. If you're American, quit dissin american power, no honda or acura or nissan or any other import will ever and I MEAN EVER COMPARE to any American Muscle car, go #$%# yourself, no seriously.

Japs did kamikazee missions in the wars, and now they make cars, go figure..........</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Stop being so thickheaded. Grow up. By the way, World War 2 has been over for over 50 years. You no longer need to use racist terms such as Japs when referring to Japanese people. Why the hate?

P.S. Don't even bother insulting me if you reply. It will only make you look worse.<!-- Signature -->

 

you gotta accept it for what it is. This car is 2 liters, 2 seats, small roadster doin 0-60 in recorded 5.2 secs. Sharp steering at high G's. Thats pretty damn good at 30 grand.

By the way America has been at war with Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and won. And all these countries are now allies that make great machines. Especially great cars but americans make better war machines.

Our cars are steak and potatoes compared to other countries design philosophies. We like old fashioned big gas guzzling power and like to buy gas from terrorist states so we can beat these countries up after supplying them with money for weapons. Who knows maybe Afghanistan will make good cars someday too.<!-- Signature -->

 

a masterpiece of engineering: American cars.

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<b>you gotta accept it for what it is. This car is 2 liters, 2 seats, small roadster doin 0-60 in recorded 5.2 secs. Sharp steering at high G's. Thats pretty damn good at 30 grand.

By the way America has been at war with Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and won. And all these countries are now allies that make great machines. Especially great cars but americans make better war machines.

Our cars are steak and potatoes compared to other countries design philosophies. We like old fashioned big gas guzzling power and like to buy gas from terrorist states so we can beat these countries up after supplying them with money for weapons. Who knows maybe Afghanistan will make good cars someday too.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

I'm not going to even respond to your ignorant world views.

Your 'point' about American gas guzzling cars...?
Mustang GT gets 18/26
Camaro z28SS gets 19/28
Corvette z06 gets 19/28

How about our steak and potatoes philosophy? We make cars that beat all foreign competition, even ones that cost 50% more. I dare you to find a $34,000 car that can beat the 2003 Cobra, or a $50,000 car that can beat the corvette z06. If that's a little too simple and 'steak and potatoes' for you then complain about hp/Lt, that's all you like to say.

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<b>Who cares about power? As long as it has the performance that it needs to beat its rivals.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

It doesn't even come close to beating its rivals. The camaro z28SS is a low to mid 13 second car, and the Cobra is a 12 second car. The s2000 is a low 14 second car. The performance and power isn't there.<!-- Signature -->

 

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<b>Why don't you move to Japan you #$%#in' ricer. If you're American, quit dissin american power, no honda or acura or nissan or any other import will ever and I MEAN EVER COMPARE to any American Muscle car, go #$%# yourself, no seriously.

Japs did kamikazee missions in the wars, and now they make cars, go figure..........</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Stop being so thickheaded. Grow up. By the way, World War 2 has been over for over 50 years. You no longer need to use racist terms such as Japs when referring to Japanese people. Why the hate?

P.S. Don't even bother insulting me if you reply. It will only make you look worse.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

why dont you go #$%# yourself too, and give me a rimjob just cuz ur lil ricers suck ass, i dont care if it makes me look bad, ill insult you til the day i die mother #$%#er, nothing can bring me down..........just try it asshole

 

I'm a ricer? That's a good one. Did you know that an often use of vulgar words indicates a lack of vocabulary? Why would I bring you down? You've already brought yourself down with your stupidity. You just don't have the brain capacity to realize that.

 

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<b>And u don't need to have small c.c engine or inline 4 engine to get high rpm, just look at a ferrari, it uses V8, but still have a redline of about 8000rpm.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
OK, but what's the rpm on the 550 Maranello or 575? You're right. You don't NEED to have small cc engines or an inline-4. But it certainly helps. Think about frictional losses and reciprocating mass. The smaller everything is, the easier it is to get higher levels of hp for that displacement, cost and state of tune being factors.

I'll agree the S2000 is a good car for what it is. While it's specific output is admirable, there's really no black magic behind it. The laws of physics are on its side (relative to larger V8's). There is a tradeoff to the way it drives, and quite a few magazines (some of them not even American) have noted this in their criticisms.

 

pkripperf1: I am completely on your side man... these american car lovers don't understand that it is the truth!! in fact, some imbesil started talking about war... what does war have to do here???

someone said there that hp per liter is no big deal??? waaaahahahahahahahaa #$%#in ignorant!!! then why do formula 1 cars have 3.5 liter engines with 850 non turbo horsepower?? "horsepower is not important" how can you say that you retard??? Come on... let's see a 2 liter amerigan engine: Pontiac Sunfire, 2.4 liter it will never get to more than 150hp... what tha hell is that... and have on mind that it is a DOHC. And if you guys don't like this Honda, why tha hell do you see it?? OH! KUZ YOU ARE IMPRESSED ABOUT IT RIGHT???
come on, its the #$%#in' truth, when ever Honda makes a 5.7 or a 6 liter engine it will have over 700hp and there it will have TORQUE (that is what you take advantage of) and a ton of horsepower, but its not worth it for them, they are selling very well... then why do you americans buy #$%#in S2000's??? huh???? come on, I am sure you know this thing is impressive!!! IM SO DANM SURE!!! and I would never move to Japan you prick
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Hey Stuttgart, I think these guys are just jealous, kuz the GMC will never give out a corvette with at least 620hp... EVER...

So just let them ffuucckk themselves (sorry about the bad word man)

Honda is similar to ferrari, but in small engines and more reliable... but a ferrari is still a ferrari.. i resperct them...

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You misunderstand me. I don't judge cars for where they came from. I generally respect cars from everywhere including Japan and America. I just can't stand idiots like Stud or whatever his name is.<!-- Signature -->

 

hey stud u do look pretty dumb i'd shut up if i were u cause u sound like some southern hick.....it's ok just because ur mom is ur cuz doesnt make u stupid,wait a minute actually it does.

 

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<b>someone said there that hp per liter is no big deal??? waaaahahahahahahahaa #$%#in ignorant!!! then why do formula 1 cars have 3.5 liter engines with 850 non turbo horsepower?? </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
Uh, because they have to conform to FIA regulations (ie, "formula"). When you're restricted to 3.5 liters, the only way to improve engine performance is through higher revs. Curiously, every team takes their engine to the maximum allowable displacement.

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<b>come on, its the #$%#in' truth, when ever Honda makes a 5.7 or a 6 liter engine it will have over 700hp.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
And it will cost more than $1 million (think: McLaren F1).
What's the largest Honda engine right now? The 3.5 liter V6 found in the RL? It makes only 225 horses, or 64 hp/l. Far short of the highly touted 100 hp/l benchmark (and 7 hp/l less than the pushrod Chevrolet LS6). Not even the NSX makes 100 hp/l and that car is already $90K. Imagine the cost of that car with an engine TWICE the current size producing 120 hp/l. It would be insane.
But it doesn't matter, because all of this is wishful thinking. Honda doesn't currently HAVE a 5.7-liter, so why conjecture something that flies in the face of physics and common marketing sense?

 

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<b>Lets use ryce math to disprove HP/L and honda 700 HP engine

(S2000)2.0L = 125 hp/l = 250 total hp
(Nsx) 3.0L = 100 hp/l = 300 total hp

there for you are loosing 25 hp when you go up in displacement by one liter

Hondas Mythical 4.0L= 75 hp/l = 300 total hp
Hondas Mythical 5.0L= 50 hp/l = 250 total hp

So at the rate Hondas going they will actually loose horse power if they ever make that 5.7 Liter engine that Honda Lover talked about, it would only get around 185 hp. At least American cars don't loose as much HP/per liter when they make a bigger engine.

Either way its all ryce math a does not mean a damn thing. But it was fun typing out.

</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->NSX's engine was made like 12 years ago. And S2000 was made in 2 years ago. See the difference? So ur "logic" isn't right.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Are you denying the fact that it's easier to get high horsepower per liter from a smaller engine? Let's start there. <!-- Signature -->

 

What stopped Honda from utilizing the same power-making techniques it used on the S2000, and then transferring it to the NSX? Why has NSX power stagnated for so long? Remember, this is Honda's technical tour de force, its flagship.
Going by the "it's newer" theory, then the upcoming NSX should make, what, about 150 hp/l? If they can do that (and keep the NSX's price the same), I will be very impressed. If they can't do that, then some of you guys will have a lot of explaining to do.

 

Lets use ryce math to disprove HP/L and honda 700 HP engine

(S2000)2.0L = 125 hp/l = 250 total hp
(Nsx) 3.0L = 100 hp/l = 300 total hp

there for you are loosing 25 hp when you go up in displacement by one liter

Hondas Mythical 4.0L= 75 hp/l = 300 total hp
Hondas Mythical 5.0L= 50 hp/l = 250 total hp

So at the rate Hondas going they will actually loose horse power if they ever make that 5.7 Liter engine that Honda Lover talked about, it would only get around 185 hp. At least American cars don't loose as much HP/per liter when they make a bigger engine.

Either way its all ryce math a does not mean a damn thing. But it was fun typing out.