Re: Americans are sometimes........

beautiful car aint it!

 

Your tests mean dick to me. That’s right. I’ve refrained so far but truthfully those magazines are known for supporting American cars so “why did the Modena lose?” The drivers made it so. Don’t go posting the odd time they gave it to a European car b/c that is all about trying to maintain credibility. Go head and call me a cry baby since you know it’s true but the fact is I know 4 Viper owners. 3 RT/10s and 1 GTS. They all say the same thing. They love their cars but they feel very front heavy and run into trouble while cornering hard. On the other hand I know many 355, 360, and 550 owners who have never complained at all about how their cars handle. As a matter of fact one RT/10 owner just recently bought a 360 and says it is clearly the better car. You neglect to acknowledge that the drivers in those tests are professionals trained to take those cars to the limits. Even then the Vipers barely edge out the Ferraris or come up short all together. Unless of course they compare the racing version or flagship Vipers against the weaker of the Ferrari line up…which they usually do. What you fail to realize is that to the common driver like you and me the Ferrari is much more forgiving as a make.

The figures in one of the tests were way off. That is why I posted the web site.

In order for that Dodge Ram to outperform any sports car it would need more than a cylinder advantage. Don’t put words in my mouth. You brought up the truck. So don’t act like the extra cylinders and engine size don’t help.

Do you actually think they have tested a Euro Modena and a US one together? LOL believe me they will bring as little attention to the power difference as possible to keep sales up. How could you think that the cars performance doesn’t get altered? They are changing things in the car, obviously it will come out different. You seem to think there is a chart out there to prove everything. Talk to a mechanic who has conducted these tests.

Newsflash shouldn’t a car with 2 more cylinders and a lot 4.6 ltrs put out more power? And no that wasn’t onesided. The Vette, Jag, and 360 were all normally aspirated V8s. Actually the F1 didn’t even have the bigger engine in that group either. I know engine size is only part of it but it is a big part of it. Don’t deny it. Size and power go hand in hand especially for American cars.

As for citing proof on the 189 of the Modena. Try this site www.supercars.net You seem to believe everything it says about the 800tt. As for the 3.5, that was a typo I admit that. I meant 3.9. I just caught that now. Anyway this site shows that http://www.fast-cars.net/thecars/page/?id=118 . Shit even the F50 didn’t hit that. I think it hit 3.6.

Your take on that quote about the Euro tests was in left field again. How did I say that the 360 and the GTS are in the same class? That is nowhere in my post. And i'm confused? Like i said before, read twice it will help.
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I doubt that the magazine drivers were biased towards the American cars, most articles I read in the magazines tend to lean more to the Ferarri cars. And BMW's!!!! They talk their asses off about BMW's!!! Show me one test that had a Cadillac beating a BMW!!! Good luck!!!<!-- Signature -->

 

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<b>Guibo I can tell that you are one of those "american muscle" people..

First off this car is not a production stock car...no way in hell

Do you see the word Hennessey in from of viper that is a car tuner..not the factory...this isn't anywhere close to stock

go to www.turboimports.com there is a supra turbo with less HP than this that runs 9.81 @ 153 MPH..I got the video of the run, I will try and find a link

that isn't a stock car either...but it is faster than this car...
And I bet it is cheaper too..

ummm...I dont see the 1/4 mile time on the Koenig Ferrari F50 so how can you ignorant people say that it will destry a the Ferrari in acceleration?

and only in america is 1/4 mile and 0-60 so important...the Koenig F50 will slap the shit out of this car at a track,...

American cars seriously should have steering wheels because they only go straight.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

O geez wow...let me see...hmm interesting. If you read the article it clearly says "This run was made on high boost and an small 70hp shot of NOS." Sorry, your Supra has just been lowered to the level of the Honda Civic. Read it for yourself http://www.turboimports.com/swst88supra.html

LPE 427 CID Twin Turbo C5 Corvette 4 eva

 

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<b>It doesn't need slicks. On street tires, it's already doing 10.7 in the quarter.

LiquidChild:
Yes, the 540 Sport is a mad quick car. At the time of this test, though, I don't think the M5 was quite out yet, in our market anyway. Most tests show that a 540 Sport gives up very little to an E34 M5 (which had 310 hp in our market) in a straightline.
Yes, the test was designed to see how different types of high performance cars (be they saloon or coupes) compared to each other.

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Your E34 M5 only had 310Bhp??????

Man you miss out big sytle with bimmers over there, unlucky, ours had 360Bhp, and the E36 M3, the power difference between yours and the Euro one was insane!<!-- Signature -->

 

zo6baybee2 :

This site , which webmaster owns a 700hp Skyline says the opposite about the Veilside Supra...


http://www.exvitermini.com/

section "movies"
then section "various"

 

The F50 was Twin-Turbo, 800 hp, about 40 pounds lighter, and couldn't break 11's. It was due to to much wheelspin. And it had on slicks. The Testarossa was making about 1000 hp, and barely could break 12's. No lapping occured, so no assumptions were made. Maybe Dr. Mad was scared of his own creation? Who knows.

Gsolinas, Every word you mutter about any American car is derogatory, like your an expert. Have you driven all cars made? Doubt it, probably not even close.

That IS why you must post in here. No one talks in your forum. All of the real Euros out there mind their P's and Q's, and have intelligent conversation elsewhere. Post Elsewhere. Please.<!-- Signature -->

 

Guibo, is it just me or in every single forum these same people attack you? I think they just respect you and want to keep seeing the facts...Because you prove them wrong so many times.. good job bro<!-- Signature -->

 

Americans are awesome. I am American, my car is American, and damnit, life is great! So bring your Eurotrash somewhere else <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->

 

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<b>Guibo, is it just me or in every single forum these same people attack you? I think they just respect you and want to keep seeing the facts...Because you prove them wrong so many times.. good job bro</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

A debate isn't an attack , I often have with Guibo.

Don't we Guibo ? LOL.

 

Swedenboy is an idiot, The only cars he tests are econo-boxes

 

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Not to be arrogant but I think I'm yet to be proven wrong. And few have been attacked more than me. Sorry for seeing things differently but stating how this car "is not the best car in the world" like I have is not a declaration of war. Relax. So it's not the best, big deal. You don't all have to get so defensive over it.<!-- Signature -->

 

There, gsolinas, your proven wrong(I know that you haven't been comparing anything im here lately, but I'm sure you have compared a 360 to an RT/10, in your flawless post, snicker snicker).<!-- Signature -->

 

That proved nothing.
Post 1 compared the GTS to a 355. That is exactly what I said was wrong. One is a flagship, one is not.
Post 2 had only two tests of value. The acceleration and the road holding and there was a 1st place finish each between the F50 and GTS. The margin in acceleration was also greater then that in road holding. Then they obviously compared price like that has something to do with performance. Why not try a quarter mile, slalom, or top speed run? Is it because the GTS would lose? Probably. Pretty lame tests.
Post 3 again compared a flagship to a little Ferrari (I think this one was televised on speedvision) and barely edged out the little 360 by 1.9 mph. Would have been some difference had it been the F50.
Post 4 again compared a flagship to a little Ferrari.
Maybe you misunderstood the challenge. Show me an RT/10 beating a 355 or 360 (depending on year) or show me a GTS beating an F50.
My challenge went unmet. In your more recent posting you neglected to indicate the years of the cars in question but regardless it seems like a lot of “convenient” driving from an American tester. I’ve seen it before it is nothing new. Red lining at 173? Bullshit. That thing has hit 189 before. 4.5 0-60? It’s done it in 3.5 before. If you look at this site you’ll see what I mean http://www.fast-cars.net/thecars/page/?id=118
Unfortunately there isn’t a test on the 2000 RT10 to compare it with on the site.
So unless the car was the USA modified version or the drivers were promoting Dodge there is no logical explanation for those pitiful times. Now go on and deny that biased testing exists.
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F50 , 11.9s

http://www.autoweb-france.com/autoweb2/index.php?rub=3&essai=91

 

Bottomline and ultimate bottomline is that the Viper although faster does not have the desirability of a 355 and the image it gives. Boohoo... It's no use to have the performance while the rest of the world still sees a Viper as a shitty car.<!-- Signature -->

 

A) It isn’t faster anyway. Take a 96 355 and compare it to a 96 RT10 and the 355 even has a faster top speed which is not what it‘s meant for. LOL

B) Guibo, do you seriously need an article for everything in order to believe it? I’ve seen numerous websites that posts the 360’s top speed in that range (189mph), look for yourself.

C) Another misread Guibo? I said it has hit 3.5 not “look at this article it hit 3.5”.

D) All you do is bring up how Ferrari should have an advantage because they specialize in racing and because they are more expensive. Sounds like excuses to me. Dodge races too and Ferraris are more expensive because they are rare and hand built. You want to hear disadvantages? How about 2 cylinders and 4.4 lts. The Dodge is huge and still can’t outperform the Ferrari. The numbers might be close and it may even win in certain areas but it is not the faster car in any case.

E) I didn’t claim it set the fastest time in a slalom your American car mags did. I think it was R&T. I know I know “Post it”. Look it up, I don’t have it. Think about it. The car was in production from the mid to late 90‘s. Odds are since then cars have surpassed it by now.

F) US modified cars do lose power. See for most that is common knowledge but you will only believe it if MT or RT posts it. Look at the Euro M3 and the US version. There must be a 30kmh difference in top speed. I’m sure the margin is not always that big and modifications vary but those are pre modified for sale in the US and look at what a difference it makes. But even if there was only a 5% difference like you said don’t you think that would be significant considering the closeness of these results?

G) Your post compared yet another major flagship Viper to a smaller V8 Ferrari. What a stupid comparison. You never see that bullshit in Euro mags.

H) Regardless if you really think that the stock Vipers are better than the Ferraris in their class go ahead, but more than half the world will laugh at you. You think you know it all but your automotive education is terribly one sided.


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