Re: An American turbocharged 4-cylinder???????

Discussion in '2002 Pontiac Solstice Roadster Concept' started by zx2racer, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. An American turbocharged 4-cylinder???????

    American cars and tubochargers have had a speckled past together....remember the 1984 Mustang turbo and the 1993 Probe turbo? If Subaru was the designer behind the 2.2Liter 4, sign me up for one of these bad boys. Otherwise, give me a 1.8t Audi TT.
     
  2. It's lifted almost directly from Saab. And they are damn good engines. I own a 88 9000turbo, and that thing still pulls nicely with no major maintenence and about 170,000 miles on the clock. Nobody has as much experience with inline turbo 4's.
    (And how can it be a Subaru engine? They use flat 4's)<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. it isn't derived strait from saab, its derived straight from the new cavalier engine. . . but that engine was derived from the saab engine. . . but it isn't identical to the saab's <!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Hey, did you forget about Chrysler and thier Turbos? Obviously.
    WEll heres a little history lesson for ya.
    Turbo 1, Turbo 2, and Turbo 3.
    3 Diff. turbo motors Chrysler offered.
    The turbo 1 was the shitty head gasket blower that had 142 Hp
    the Turbo 2 it was similar but had an intercooler, forged crank, and other performance touches, including a heavy duty transmission. An astounding 174 hp came from this reliable engine - not bad considering the original was only 93 hp. This wasn't a Honda 174 hp, either - it came with 200 lb-ft of torque! (Whereas the current top Civic engine is 160 hp and only 100 lb-ft). You can approximate a Turbo II by adding an intercooler to a Turbo I.
    Quite rare, and was used only on the Spirit R/T and Daytona R/T (except in Mexico) from 1991 to 1992 (again, except in Mexico). Generating 224 hp from 2.2 liters, this engine was quite a trip to drive, but finding parts is difficult. The heads were designed by Lotus, and use far-too-strong valve springs, making timing belt replacement a frequent necessity unless you do a very good job of fitting it. The Turbo III was a DOHC engine with distributorless ignition and four valves per cylinder. If you buy one of these, try to have another car to drive in case of emergencies.



    Thanks to ALLPAR.com for the info.

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  5. as for american turbocharged 4 cylinders, ford did that about 15 yrs ago with the t-bird turbo 4s
     
  6. the t-bird and the cougars didn't have many problems that i have heard of. . . lets not forget about gm guys. . this is a gm . . so its gm that we should be looking at the history of. . .


    grand national/regal t-type
    cyclone/typhoon
    and then all the j-cars in the late 80's . . .

    none of those have had a shady history, and thats the majority of gm's turbo line up. . so just because ford's suvs flip over and fly into ditches, does that mean that gm's will too? <!-- Signature -->
     
  7. I actually like the design. The Ecotec engine is pretty good but i don't know about the GM manual trans. If they actually realease this it will at least hopefully presuade mitsbishi to realease the lancer evo and perhaps even get toyota to turbocharge the mr2 again<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  8. what do you mean you dont know about the manual trans? you think it should be an autO? if you mean that the manual is not trustworthy. . .then your insane. . .its the corvette's six speed!! i hope they do make this thing. . just how it is right now. . .<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from zx2racer</i>
    <b>American cars and tubochargers have had a speckled past together....remember the 1984 Mustang turbo and the 1993 Probe turbo? If Subaru was the designer behind the 2.2Liter 4, sign me up for one of these bad boys. Otherwise, give me a 1.8t Audi TT.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Has anybody heard of the Buick Grand National GNX... American Car with turbocharger at its finest
     
  10. 4-cylinder in a pontiac
    that dont seem right to me
    Pontiac should stick to its belongings
    car dont even look good

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  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WhiteMakavelli</i>
    <b>4-cylinder in a pontiac
    that dont seem right to me
    Pontiac should stick to its belongings
    car dont even look good

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    Sorry to burst your bubble but there has been 4 cylinders in pontiacs since 76 so it isn't anything new. But hey, a 2.2L 240 hp factory, suck that ricers.
     
  12. Saab is the true pioneer of turbos on road cars, and GM is able to get Saabs knowledge. This 2.2l 4 is used in many cars from the cavilier to the opel speedster and VX220. Now that is a wide range.
     
  13. but also, like i said earlier. . . all of gm's large atempts at forced induction have gone through with no more than minor problems that could be expected from adding more mechanics to an engine. . . so if one of the big three was gonna do it right, my money would have been on gm, and it looks like that would have been a smart choice. . . having saab behind them is just a perk. . .<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. a 2.2L 240hp supercharged engine is no big deal at all. The N/A H22a (from the prelude) is already 200hp, and a intercooled supercharged will give it way more than 40, so suck that corn boi ?!?!
     
  15. If it is a part of GM then what does it matter where the engine was developed? They will still get credit for any success it incurs.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EliseS2</i>
    <b>Saab is the true pioneer of turbos on road cars, and GM is able to get Saabs knowledge. This 2.2l 4 is used in many cars from the cavilier to the opel speedster and VX220. Now that is a wide range. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I dont mean to sound like a jerk but i think porsche is the REAL pioneer of turbo's in their cars, since 1973 i believe, tell me an older turbocharged car that performed better and was more reliable then the 911TT.
     

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