Re: Better than the Carrera GT

Discussion in '2002 Lamborghini Murciélago' started by Porsche LVR, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. A Carrera GT would kick this things ass<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. I won't argue with you on the fact that the Ferraris have produced better cars than Lamborghini in the past and I wouldn't doubt the F60 outdoing the Murcielago but the Murcielago has been credited for handling better than the other Lambos. And in the defense of the Diablos you chose the 6.0 VT which was never considered the best. The Diablo GT would crush the GT2 and the Carrera GT as well. I do however like all those cars and don't want to trash anything but it's fair to say when Lambo wants to produce the best car thay can. <!-- Signature -->
     
  3. Eh, where can I find any lap time of 4WD Diablos at the Nurburgring? VT or 6.0? I do not think they have been tested there. The 360 Modena laps the nurburgring the same time as the Diablo SV (not sure if it was the long, medium or short version). In nurburgring the Diablo does not usually show its best time; other places any Diablo is way ahead of the 360 Modena.

    The Diablo GT does not lap the nurburgring faster than the Porsche GT2; it is not the best track for Lamborghini's. In some other tracks, however, the Diablo GT would be ahead of the GT2.
     
  4. I'm sure it would but we were comparing this to the Carrera GT anyway.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. DIABLO GT CAN't beat the c gt,may be it can compare with the gt2
    because it has faster accerleration,but it can't be compare with
    the cgt,cgt has 550hp,60kgm torque and is 200kg lighter than the
    dgt and i don't think that the d gt can do 0-200 kmh in 10s.

     
  6. The GT2 would get blown away by this car and the Carrera GT would put up a better fight but certainly not win...look at the numbers.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. What numbers? How many actual road tests can you show me that have actually tested the Carrera GT? I'll answer that for you: none. The only significant numbers you can compare at this point are the cars' power to weight ratios (the Carrera GT's being *much* higher than the Lamborghini's), and centers of mass (again, the Carrera GT's being much lower than the Murcielago's).

    Oh, and by the way, 4WD cars are notorious for their, if you will, "poor" cornering when compared to rear-wheel drive cars. Why else do you think all true race cars are rear-wheel drive? Sure, some traction is lost, but the gains in cornering speed more than make up for what may be a shaky start for the rear-wheel drive car. Case in point: The Porsche 911 Turbo: 4WD; a great car for driving in any condition, but loses its edge against a Corvette Z06 in *dry* weather. The Porsche 911 GT2 is meant to be the ultimate derivation of the 996, and as such, has had its 4WD system removed, replaced by a rear-wheel drive system. This not only improves short-track handling and cornering, but saves hundreds of pounds in weight. The Carrera GT, being a mid-engined car, will have near 50-50 weight distribution, and rear-wheel drive.

    To Jackamo: There's nothing wrong or biased about the Nurburgring. There's a reason it is the standard by which all European cars are measured. Just because it happens to be in Germany doesn't mean that if a German car logs a faster time on it than a Lamborghini, it doesn't matter (I'm paraphrasing you from another thread). On the contrary, it matters very much. It proves that as a functional car that can be raced in almost any weather and track condition, a Porsche is hard to beat. Some cars have an advantage on longer tracks, while others have the advantage on shorter tracks. It depends on where you want to race the car in question. Lamborghini has obviously proven itself to be a top contender in the touring niche of the race world. It leaves a little more to be desired for short track performance.

    L8R<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. We really can't say which one is better, because that would inevitably involve a personal non-factual judgement. But I the Murciélago sure is the most desirable car around, at least in my opinion.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. Gee do you think it had something to do with the 4 wheel drive system?<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. What numbers are you looking at because the top speed is the same and the acceleration (0-60) is certainly better for the Murcielago.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Jackamo & gsolinas, why don't you two just admit that either you're both Porsche-haterz or Lambo-loverz (or Italian-loverz for that matter since you two are always backing anything that starts with the plaque "Ferrari" or "Lamboghini")?? Just admit it for crying out loud, really...there's nothing wrong with either option. It's just the competitive attitude that made you two looked extremely absurd, especially when you two claimed to "know a lot." Personally, I love Porsche more than anything else, so I'll back it. In this case I'll back it even more, since this argument when on way too long, over data that are either non-factual, or data that has many different variables. I won't say I know a whole lot about cars, but I'll say I know quite a lot about Porsche, at least in terms of the company's history. Porsche will not make a claim that they can't back up, and many of the factory's "claimed" figures are understated to a certain degree, just so that other manufacturers (and wankers like most of you here) cannot have a bar/standard to work with, then to beat it. So here it goes for the TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION of the Porsche Carrera GT, provided by the factory's website. Here's also the link to the same page.


    Engine

    Configuration V10 induction engine with 68° cylinder angle
    Displacement 5.5 liters
    Horsepower 410 kW (558 hp)
    Max. rpm 8200
    Max. torque 600 Nm

    Driveline Rear-wheel drive
    6-speed transmission

    Chassis

    Axles Double wishbone, with pushrods on rear axle activating spring/shock suspension unit and stabilizer coupled with transmission housing
    Steering Power-assisted rack-and-pinion
    Brakes Front axle: 8-piston aluminum alloy Monobloc fixed calipers
    Rear axle: 4-piston aluminum alloy Monobloc fixed calipers
    Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) discs with involuted cooling channel and 380 mm diameter, Dual-circuit ABS

    Wheels Aluminum alloy forged wheels with central locking

    Tires Front axle: 265/30 R 19
    Rear axle: 335/30 R 20

    Weight

    Curb weight 1,250 kg

    Performance

    Top speed Over 200 mph (330 km/h)
    Acceleration 0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) under 4 seconds
    0-120 mph (0-200 km/h) under 10 seconds

    Dimensions

    Length 4,556 mm
    Width 1,915 mm
    Height 1,192 mm
    Wheelbase 2,700 mm
    Front track 1,620 mm
    Rear track 1,570 mm
    Fuel tank capacity 90 l



    Now here's my 2 cents: Not only do I dislike the Murcielago for its looks, I also have no respect for the company, purely because the fact that they have never provide a factory-effort into racing OTHER CARS to prove their cars' worthiness...If they did however, then I don't know about it. And NO, racing those Diablo GTs amongst "themselves" does not count as competing against other marques. If you want to count this as real racing, Porsche is doing it with the 996 GT3 in their Super Cup series, BMW did theirs when the M1 came out long ago, and even Renault did a series like this with their Sport Spider. Racing amongst themselves is more about showmanship than true competition. And the Diablo GT is no exception---just another show. However, I did see them racing one or two cars in the FIA GT Championship in the past, as guests, assumed that they're ran by privateers. I remembered that they were shamefully being lapped by the dominating Vipers and the then-outdated 993 GT2s. Either the drivers weren't trying hard enough, the car just sucked, or the boss told the drivers not to overdrive or crash it otherwise it'll come out of their paycheques.
    In terms of setting records: who gives a fukc? You of all people that aren't half-blind will figure out that these kind of "recording-setting" events are public stunts, mainly to get publicity, to get more photographs into one of thousands of car magazines already in publication. It was VW with their W12 beforehand, now that Lamboghini did theirs, soon someone else is bound to come along and beat it. You want to prove reliabilty? Why don't you please enter a Murcielago or two into the GTS category of Le Mans 24 hours? And at least finish all 24 hours, then come and earn my time listening to your reliability. Honestly, I really would like to see Lamboghini racing in LM24, since it's probably rarer than seeing Lamboghini making an SUV......okay, bad example.

    So much for now. I can go on forever to waste more bandwidth. But for now I'll take a rest.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Damn, let's hope GSolinas isn't the AntiChrist, these idiotic children believe every word he says! I mean, he could say, "Bin Laden can beat up Mike Tyson, I seen them both up close" And half this site would place their bets on Bin Laden! What is this world coming to?

    #$%# off kid. u dont know no shit to talk 2 us like that
    fukin shit man..
    u a #%$ u motha fuka.....
    dont fuk wit us
    *****.......
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    supraraz: Why don't you learn some half decent grammar? If there's anything more pathetic than someone who likes to shoot their mouth off, it's someone with poor control of the Engligh language trying to verbally admonish someone they could learn a thing or two from about articulation.

    Second, I never at any point stated that "u [sic] dont [sic] know no [sic] shit to [sic] talk 2 [sic] us like that fukin [sic] shit man.." ([sic] means SPELLING AND/OR GRAMMAR ERROR). I simply formed an opinion that you were fabricating events, since you neglected to give any details about the mysterious "other Porsche" you encountered. Did it ever occur to you that the guy in the Porsche (assuming it was a Turbo, although I'm almost positive the Turbo never came in a convertible format) was just playing with you? You're the only one who knows if you're telling the truth. On the other hand, people who get all hot and bothered over someone calling bullshit on them, usually *are* lying. This may not be the case with you, but I just thought I'd let you know.

    However, you are again digging yourself into a hole by making statements that you fail to back up. The only thing that you have provided that even remotely resembles fact is heresy from gsolinas. The Lambo (which one?) has outperformed every Porsche ever made? What about the 911 GT1? The Dauer-Porsche 962 LM? The 2002 996 GT2 and 1998 993 GT2-R? The 911 GT3 RS? The 959? I could go on. Certainly there are some tracks on which the Murcielago would turn in better times than the latter Porsches that I listed, but pit the Murc against the 959 or 959 S, and the race is over before it even begins. Remember what the 959 did to the F40 on anything but a completely dry track? It left it breathing exhaust fumes. I suggest you do a little research before making those silly claims of yours.

    Also, you have again failed to mention what it is, exactly, that makes your Supra put out "almost 500 horsepower". I'm sure it's not the 6-speed manual transmission you speak of. Wheels are also a definite no-no in the engine power output game. How about some more details?

    P.S. I'm not your "buddy", or your "brother", and in case you haven't noticed, this *is* a Lamborghini forum. Of course there are going to be more people who think the Lamborghini is faster than the Carrera GT.

    P.P.S. Have you caught a glimpse of Porsche's estimates that the Carrera GT will do 0-160 km/h in around 6.5 seconds? Are you aware of the fact that Porsche's claims are always conservative (meaning the cars they produce always meet or exceed their manufacturer's claims)? Consider that the McLaren F1 LM does 0-100mph (0-166 km/h) in 6.7 sec, but with a much taller gear ratio than the Carrera GT will have.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    ok teacher #$%#in idiot. it's called slang.... and when u r from the streets, that's what u use..... well, i konw that u r a momma's boy, cuz u dont know anythin about slang...... dont worry, ur mom will come and blow u....
     
  13. Dam it!!!!
    Some of u just can't stand that little old non-italian, doin things differently PORSCHE is DAMN GOOD!!!
    And i have to come in an pop your bubble.
    The Murcielago is a sweet lookin car, it's true.
    but how long did it take Lamborghini to touch up the Diablo to make it into this?
    I repeat, this is an AWESOME looking car.
    I like Lamborghini, BUT the type of person that buys a lambo, doesn't buy it for top performance. He buys it for the name, looks, recognizability, and did I say name?
    May I remind you people that go by numbers only that the 996 GT2 has a 0-60 time of 3.6 secs NOT 4.0. This was attained by Road & Track drivers (not the best drivers on earth). I AM POSSITIVE THAT THE CARRERA GT CAN TOP THE GT2!!!
    NUMBERS ARENT THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTER IN PERFORMANCE!!!
    I can't believe some of you retards don't understand this. I'm possitive that if i built 5000 cars, each with the same horsepower, weight, DOWNFORCE (geese), and a whole bunch of other bs, yet all had different body shapes, drivelines, engine position, type of engine (flat, v, etc), amount of cylinders etc. each would perform differently (If this is not obvious to you, you're retarded). And if it is obvious to you, THEN Y THE F00K DO U KEEP BRINGING NUMBERS UP!!!
    And for those of you that say, "oh but this car has 4wd and oh this has that, this is y it's better here and there" you're retarded too. YES YOU!!! When someone says this car is better than that car, you can't say no, this car has 4wd. Too freakin bad, that's part of the car. The supra dude is espesially funny. STUPID, but funny. This is supercars.net not supedupcars.net or supracars.net. You were funny at first but now it's just old. Turbo's never ever had drop tops. So what u raced was a 996 cabriolet. WOW u smoked a car that can barely keep up with a stock civic si (just to inform u, the civic si is NOT a good car). That is IF u were tellin the truth.
    Back to the topic, Lambos rock jes cuz they're Lambos, and Porsches rock cuz... well, they're Porsches. The Carrera GT WILL beat the Lambo in performance, but that doesn't matter because, like I said before, buyers don't care for top performance, AND both cars look SWEET.

    P.S.: Do u relise that you're arguing about fractions of seconds. (Just think about THAT for a fraction of a sec) (Tyler, you're funny, and not in the way the supra dude is)
    And to those of you who i'm sure will post something about not understanding all the bs i wrote and stuff like that, have someone translate it to you cuz i sure as hell aint ;) <!-- Signature -->
     
  14. i agree with u winged turbo............
     
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    #$%# off kid. u dont know no shit to talk 2 us like that
    fukin shit man..
    u a #%$ u motha fuka.....
    dont fuk wit us
    *****.......
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    supraraz: Why don't you learn some half decent grammar? If there's anything more pathetic than someone who likes to shoot their mouth off, it's someone with poor control of the Engligh language trying to verbally admonish someone they could learn a thing or two from about articulation.

    Second, I never at any point stated that "u [sic] dont [sic] know no [sic] shit to [sic] talk 2 [sic] us like that fukin [sic] shit man.." ([sic] means SPELLING AND/OR GRAMMAR ERROR). I simply formed an opinion that you were fabricating events, since you neglected to give any details about the mysterious "other Porsche" you encountered. Did it ever occur to you that the guy in the Porsche (assuming it was a Turbo, although I'm almost positive the Turbo never came in a convertible format) was just playing with you? You're the only one who knows if you're telling the truth. On the other hand, people who get all hot and bothered over someone calling bullshit on them, usually *are* lying. This may not be the case with you, but I just thought I'd let you know.

    However, you are again digging yourself into a hole by making statements that you fail to back up. The only thing that you have provided that even remotely resembles fact is heresy from gsolinas. The Lambo (which one?) has outperformed every Porsche ever made? What about the 911 GT1? The Dauer-Porsche 962 LM? The 2002 996 GT2 and 1998 993 GT2-R? The 911 GT3 RS? The 959? I could go on. Certainly there are some tracks on which the Murcielago would turn in better times than the latter Porsches that I listed, but pit the Murc against the 959 or 959 S, and the race is over before it even begins. Remember what the 959 did to the F40 on anything but a completely dry track? It left it breathing exhaust fumes. I suggest you do a little research before making those silly claims of yours.

    Also, you have again failed to mention what it is, exactly, that makes your Supra put out "almost 500 horsepower". I'm sure it's not the 6-speed manual transmission you speak of. Wheels are also a definite no-no in the engine power output game. How about some more details?

    P.S. I'm not your "buddy", or your "brother", and in case you haven't noticed, this *is* a Lamborghini forum. Of course there are going to be more people who think the Lamborghini is faster than the Carrera GT.

    P.P.S. Have you caught a glimpse of Porsche's estimates that the Carrera GT will do 0-160 km/h in around 6.5 seconds? Are you aware of the fact that Porsche's claims are always conservative (meaning the cars they produce always meet or exceed their manufacturer's claims)? Consider that the McLaren F1 LM does 0-100mph (0-166 km/h) in 6.7 sec, but with a much taller gear ratio than the Carrera GT will have.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. Whether or not the Murcielago can outperform the Carrera GT is inconsequential. Lamborghini's were never supposed to beat other supercars around a track. Haven't you noticed that Lamborghini stays out of auto racing? Owning a Lamborghini is not about performance. Owning a Lamborghini has NEVER been about performance. Owning a Lamborghini is about making a statement. About making heads turn. It was designed to go fast, and it does a pretty damn good job. It was designed to be a toy. An expensive toy, but it’s a car that was designed solely to entertain. Lamborghini's have never been a driver’s car. The Miura, Countach, and even the Diablo were not very comfortable to drive. You could barely fit inside the Countach, and the pedals, seat, and steering wheel didn't line up with each other in the Diablo, making it somewhat awkward. There are many cars that can outperform a Lamborghini. But none have the same presence. Anyone who's been to a car show and seen a Lamborghini can tell you that the car stands out more than any other car at the show. And about the Carrera GT. I'll finish with a question, but its one that will answer this Carrera GT vs. Murcielago competition:

    Would you rather have a Porsche over a Lamborghini?
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  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from TylerDurden</i>
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    Damn, let's hope GSolinas isn't the AntiChrist, these idiotic children believe every word he says! I mean, he could say, "Bin Laden can beat up Mike Tyson, I seen them both up close" And half this site would place their bets on Bin Laden! What is this world coming to?

    #$%# off kid. u dont know no shit to talk 2 us like that
    fukin shit man..
    u a #%$ u motha fuka.....
    dont fuk wit us
    *****.......
    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    supraraz: Why don't you learn some half decent grammar? If there's anything more pathetic than someone who likes to shoot their mouth off, it's someone with poor control of the Engligh language trying to verbally admonish someone they could learn a thing or two from about articulation.

    Second, I never at any point stated that "u [sic] dont [sic] know no [sic] shit to [sic] talk 2 [sic] us like that fukin [sic] shit man.." ([sic] means SPELLING AND/OR GRAMMAR ERROR). I simply formed an opinion that you were fabricating events, since you neglected to give any details about the mysterious "other Porsche" you encountered. Did it ever occur to you that the guy in the Porsche (assuming it was a Turbo, although I'm almost positive the Turbo never came in a convertible format) was just playing with you? You're the only one who knows if you're telling the truth. On the other hand, people who get all hot and bothered over someone calling bullshit on them, usually *are* lying. This may not be the case with you, but I just thought I'd let you know.

    However, you are again digging yourself into a hole by making statements that you fail to back up. The only thing that you have provided that even remotely resembles fact is heresy from gsolinas. The Lambo (which one?) has outperformed every Porsche ever made? What about the 911 GT1? The Dauer-Porsche 962 LM? The 2002 996 GT2 and 1998 993 GT2-R? The 911 GT3 RS? The 959? I could go on. Certainly there are some tracks on which the Murcielago would turn in better times than the latter Porsches that I listed, but pit the Murc against the 959 or 959 S, and the race is over before it even begins. Remember what the 959 did to the F40 on anything but a completely dry track? It left it breathing exhaust fumes. I suggest you do a little research before making those silly claims of yours.

    Also, you have again failed to mention what it is, exactly, that makes your Supra put out "almost 500 horsepower". I'm sure it's not the 6-speed manual transmission you speak of. Wheels are also a definite no-no in the engine power output game. How about some more details?

    P.S. I'm not your "buddy", or your "brother", and in case you haven't noticed, this *is* a Lamborghini forum. Of course there are going to be more people who think the Lamborghini is faster than the Carrera GT.

    P.P.S. Have you caught a glimpse of Porsche's estimates that the Carrera GT will do 0-160 km/h in around 6.5 seconds? Are you aware of the fact that Porsche's claims are always conservative (meaning the cars they produce always meet or exceed their manufacturer's claims)? Consider that the McLaren F1 LM does 0-100mph (0-166 km/h) in 6.7 sec, but with a much taller gear ratio than the Carrera GT will have.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    u r just a fukin #%$....thats all i have 2 say.... ***** go suck ur mom............. #%$
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from TheCarGods</i>
    <b>Whether or not the Murcielago can outperform the Carrera GT is inconsequential. Lamborghini's were never supposed to beat other supercars around a track. Haven't you noticed that Lamborghini stays out of auto racing? Owning a Lamborghini is not about performance. Owning a Lamborghini has NEVER been about performance. Owning a Lamborghini is about making a statement. About making heads turn. It was designed to go fast, and it does a pretty damn good job. It was designed to be a toy. An expensive toy, but it’s a car that was designed solely to entertain. Lamborghini's have never been a driver’s car. The Miura, Countach, and even the Diablo were not very comfortable to drive. You could barely fit inside the Countach, and the pedals, seat, and steering wheel didn't line up with each other in the Diablo, making it somewhat awkward. There are many cars that can outperform a Lamborghini. But none have the same presence. Anyone who's been to a car show and seen a Lamborghini can tell you that the car stands out more than any other car at the show. And about the Carrera GT. I'll finish with a question, but its one that will answer this Carrera GT vs. Murcielago competition:

    Would you rather have a Porsche over a Lamborghini?
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    One of the most reasonable and realistic posts I've read in a while. Thanks. However, being a function over form person, I myself would prefer a Porsche. That's just me, though.

    To supraraz: Awww, did I give you a boo-boo? My apologies.

    L8R<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. Wow did this get out of hand. Look I like both cars and neither are my favourite. I’m coming from the perspective of what facts are available to us. I saw both cars at the 2001(Carrera gt) and 2002(Murcielago) Auto Shows in Detroit. The specs were better on the Murcielago. I do think it’s possible that the Carrera GT has been improved since then (since it was still a concept), that is why the specs here are slightly better than I remember but it is still not as powerful as the Murcielago. And keep in mind, since the Carrera GT hasn’t been tested officially yet so what we’re reading are factory claims. Tests rarely reflect what the factory claimed in the first place so we should probably not expect the Carrera GT to be more powerful than the Murcielago since even the factory claims aren’t as good as the Lambo’s test results. Will the Carrera GT beat it on the Nurburgring short track? Probably, that is where Porsches shine. But send the two down to Nardo and the results will almost undoubtedly favour the Lambo. The fact is the Murcielago has already proven herself by setting three international records. The Carrera GT still has to, and I don’t mean to upset her fans but according to Porsche’s figures…it more than likely will not.

    Thecargods, Lamborghini stays out of racing like shit. The SVR and GTR are both in racing circuits and doing fine. I wouldn’t doubt the Murcielago entering competitions as well. How could you say Lamborghini is not about performance? That’s crazy. I’ll let you in on something:
    (All road legal cars I am well aware that many non-production or modified cars out did some of these)
    -1971 Lamborghini Miura SV-Fastest car in the world-290kph/180mph
    -1982-1983 Lamborghini Countach LP5000-Fastest car in the world-300kph/186.4mph
    -1998-2000 Lamborghini Diablo GT-Fastest car in the world 340kph/211mph
    -1998 Lamborghini Diablo Gemballa Roadster VT-unofficially the fastest road legal car in the world 255mph/410kph

    I don’t think a make with this much to say doesn’t bother with performance.
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  20. #20 Christianmc, Aug 9, 2002
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    However, you are again digging yourself into a hole by making statements that you fail to back up. The only thing that you have provided that even remotely resembles fact is heresy from gsolinas. The Lambo (which one?) has outperformed every Porsche ever made? What about the 911 GT1? The Dauer-Porsche 962 LM? The 2002 996 GT2 and 1998 993 GT2-R? The 911 GT3 RS? The 959? I could go on. Certainly there are some tracks on which the Murcielago would turn in better times than the latter Porsches that I listed, but pit the Murc against the 959 or 959 S, and the race is over before it even begins. Remember what the 959 did to the F40 on anything but a completely dry track? It left it breathing exhaust fumes. I suggest you do a little research before making those silly claims of yours.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Porsche 959 faster around a track than the F40?

    Porsche 959 has a good 4WD system and has a very good start:

    0-60 mph: 3.6s
    1/4 mile: 11.9s
    0-125 mph: 13.3s

    But compare to F40:

    0-60 mph: 3.9s
    1/4 mile: 11.8s
    0-125s: 11.4s

    959 is not nearly as fast as F40, despite that it has 4WD traction. In fact, 1993 Diablo VT (492 hp) is faster than 959 beyond 100 mph! Read the comparison of the race 959 and F40:

    http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/959/959_9.htm

    959 is can not compete against F40 and Murcielago.
     
  21. this is what i have done to my supra:

    a t67 single turbo conversion
    engine block bored over by .020 to fit
    JE 8.5:1 compression pistons.
    A Blitz Boost controller set to 20ft/lbs boost


    like i said, i dont lie. i am not digging myself into a big hole, and just because i am not perfect with my language, that dose'nt mean that i dont know shit about cars. i know alot, maybe enough to totally overpower you......
    peace #%$..
     
  22. Better than the Carrera GT

    I've seen both up close. The Murcielago has a much more impressive look to it and outperforms the Porsche on the track just barely. its got my vote.
     
  23. Where did you see the Murcielago??? I heard it was only shown at the Detroit Auto Show, and somewhere else. Aren't they starting production next year???
     
  24. I saw two at the Detroit Auto Show and two in the Toronto Dealership (Lamborghini of Toronto I think). They are taking orders now so they are already on display.
     
  25. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from gsolinas</i>
    <b>I've seen both up close. The Murcielago has a much more impressive look to it and outperforms the Porsche on the track just barely. its got my vote.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->hehehe so you want me to speak? How can the Murcielago beat the Carrera Gt on the track when the Carrera Gt isn't even out yet and the specs show that the Gt would have faster acceleration then the Murc? The Carrera Gt could only be seen @ the Paris Auto show so how did you see it in the Detroit show? The Gt2 performs better then the Murcielago on the Track and the Carrera Gt is even better then the Gt2 so by my means the Carrera Gt is better then the Murcielago. Prove me wrong<!-- Signature -->
     

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