Re: Block Exploded

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by impaler, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. hahahaha "built ford tough"

    my ass............<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. What disadvantes of a supercharger?? Where do you get that from?

    I mean, if they could make the power out of a lighter NA aluminum engine, that would be great. But they get it done with the SC, and i guess its cheaper for them to that. And believe me, i have worked with supercharged on everything from Mr2 SC, to miatas, to Mustang Cobras. A roots type blower, unless equiped with an electronic SC clutch(so SC on engages under load) then it will have pretty much INSTANT responce, and power and torque down low and up high, as good as almost any much larger engine.

    A Centrifugal SC can have alittle lag if the plumbing is extensive and the IC is too large, and the pieces arent insulated correctly. But this roots type blower is directly over the engine, and will most likely have NO LAG at all.
    It also creates massive amount of power and torque right off the bat at low revs.
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 84FordMan</i>
    <b> The aluminum 351 in the 2002 GT40 and SVT Lightning handles the Paxton NOVI 2000 supercharger quite well, the GT40 pushing 500 horses and no blown blocks in sight.

    To counter that "Ford tough" comment:

    *Throws a country twang in his voice and starts singing*

    "Like a rock, 'cuz that's as fast as you'll ever go, like a rock, as slow as it could be, like a rock"

    As I said before a simple cylinder swap will net this Cobra 477 HP @ 6000 RPM. Ford knows how to make performance vehicles, remember Colleti's Mustang beating out Chevy's fully tricked out Z06?

    Like a rock.....</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->ahhh...maybe u should mention what year of truck instead of suggesting..."2002" GT40 and ???? SVT Lightening...just think, next time...its not that "tough"<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Yeah man this car is sweet.. i like it a lot... SVT makes great cars for very cheap and you can buy them factory...yeah ford doesnt put much into their cars mainly because they dont really have much money... you probably all know that.... but if they wanted they could put whatever they wanted for an engine so yeah..... this car kicks chevy's ass <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">!!!!!
     
  5. #5 Krazy383, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 84FordMan</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Krazy383</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Cobra351R</i>
    <b>well......this is all i got for yah guys, the cobra is an 03 model, lets compare it to chevys 03 model, whoops, not there, cobra wins!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->lets compare it to the 2003 Z06...whoops, ford should have added a bigger supercharger, and the mustang looses again </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Specs? And link to prove it?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->heres a 2001 Z06 vs 2003 Cobra
    http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=708&CompList=708-342

    ya gotta love continuous improvement
    http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/index_z06.htm

    and if the 2003 Z06 doesnt have more power than 405hp/torque, so what...it still weighs 400lbs less than the cobra, stock vs stock the 2003 cobra does not come close to the Z06 of 2001...too bad ford had to switch to iron to make the engine handle only 390hp/torque...the Vette still uses Aluminum and still makes more power and is still N/A and wont have any problems associated with forced induction...i cant wait to see the 50th edition Vette in 2003...although the cobra should beat the ZO6 in 1 department........price...<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Gee for a Ford guy you don't really know your numbers too well. The block used in the GT40 Concept and the Lightning is the 5.4L V8 which is not a 351. The 351 measures 5.8L on the metric scale.
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from bruddah man matt</i>
    <b>Gee for a Ford guy you don't really know your numbers too well. The block used in the GT40 Concept and the Lightning is the 5.4L V8 which is not a 351. The 351 measures 5.8L on the metric scale. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->give em a break...hes a ford fan...whatcha expect<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">...<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Mark</i>
    <b>Hoseman, for the last time, A chevy SS will cost about 6-8 grand USD less than a 2003 SVT Cobra. And they are both with 6 speed transmissions. So it wouldn't take much to boost the camaro SS to this SVT with less than 8 grand.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You will end up paying 32-33k for your SS depending on your options, you are looking at the base price which is purposely low due to a marketing device Chevrolet uses to make people think it is less expensive than it really is. With an SS you will pay 33k and with the Cobra 35k. Hardly 8 thousand. And with a modified SS you could catch up to this mustang, but then it would no longer be cheaper. If you want to talk about performance/$$$ then you can supercharge the 2001 Cobra and it will be as fast as the blown camaro and cost less.
     
  9. I thought I a hooked up cobra convertable ran about 35k and the base cobra coupe was 29k. The SS I heard I around 35k to 37k with all the options and around 29k also for the base SS coupe. I beleive there is no real big price difference in the 2. I can take a 1979 pinto and out run both for about 30k. Factory based car the 03 Cobra takes the win.
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 87stang</i>
    <b>I thought I a hooked up cobra convertable ran about 35k and the base cobra coupe was 29k. The SS I heard I around 35k to 37k with all the options and around 29k also for the base SS coupe. I beleive there is no real big price difference in the 2. I can take a 1979 pinto and out run both for about 30k. Factory based car the 03 Cobra takes the win.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    But then your Pinto gets rearended and kaboom! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Block Exploded

    It's too bad the current 4.6 isn't good enough to take the slight increase in power offered by the supercharger. SVT blew up 8 alluminum blocks before they decided they would have to use a heavier iron one. Maybe all the mustang tuners reading this should see that as a warning flag.
     
  12. Well, at least they knew it ! (lol)

    That's why they went to use the name "Terminator"<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. yeah really, good one impaler,

    I mean serisouly, it's not even a huge horsepower gain, there is something seriously concerning about that.
     
  14. Yeah, but thats not so bad. Think of all the All aluminum engines made that have boost from the factory....there arent many. I cant think of any.

    It is too bad it wouldnt work with the aluminum block though.
     
  15. well, and there's the thing, there aren't many. But nobody else needs a supercharger to make that kind of horsepower. Especially when Ford has such a massive parts bin. So others continue with alluminum blocks, sweet horsepower, and none of the disadvantages of a supercharger.
     
  16. True, there are not that many disadvantages, but it's another thing that can break down. It does rob the engine of a little bit of power. And hey, if it can make an alluminum block engine explode, then I think most would rather have the same displacement engine with the same amount of power, NA, it just takes some good engineering is all. A supercharger is a quick fix, it's the easy way out for Ford's SVT.
     
  17. hahaha mark ur a funny guy....chevy doesnt even use alluminum blocks to get their power...so ur saying chevy is taking the easy way out?

    hmmmm, ive seen plenty of alluminum mustang gt engines hold a decent amount of power before the pistons and rods were replaced with performance ones.

    Also thie car costs 33k, same price as a camaro ss, and i would say this thing eats the camaro ss for breakfast, dont u.

    Ford has always been out matched in hp becuz the car was cheaper to buy, like the cobra is 28k and the camaro ss was 33k, mustang gt is 21k and the z28 is 26k....Mustangs have always been cheaper, put a few grand into to the car to match the price of a equivalent camaro and u got urself a chevy eating monster.

    But then again f-bodys no longer exist....so this mustang is in a class all of its own, and nobody to challenge it, so i guess mustang wins again and again, and in the long run instead of beating the camaro in hp and torque, they just plain put them out of buisness, a far worser fate than being beat by a few hp and a very few .x'secs.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. Mark you dont know what the hell your talking about so shut the hell up. if you wanna talk to someone who knows there shit. talk to impaler. my friend camaroeater on here has a mustang that would woop any camaro's ass. any N/A one anyway. its a 93' 302 special, it has about 400 horses and 410 ft lbs of torque. it runs mid 11's<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Mark</i>
    <b>It's too bad the current 4.6 isn't good enough to take the slight increase in power offered by the supercharger. SVT blew up 8 alluminum blocks before they decided they would have to use a heavier iron one. Maybe all the mustang tuners reading this should see that as a warning flag.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    What? The alloy 4.6 can't handle 390hp, that's pretty sad, well remember the SL55? AMG had to replace the SL500's aluminium suspension parts with heavier and more durable parts too withstand the anger of the "kompressor".
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  20. Well EliteWolverine, I actually said that the supercharger was the quick fix, not the iron block. And actually chevy uses a cast alumnim block on the SS. The thing about the iron block on the Cobra here, is that they needed it over stock, which caused serious weight penalties. This affects performance badly.
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Mark</i>
    <b>It's too bad the current 4.6 isn't good enough to take the slight increase in power offered by the supercharger. SVT blew up 8 alluminum blocks before they decided they would have to use a heavier iron one. Maybe all the mustang tuners reading this should see that as a warning flag.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I don't know but it could be because the block walls are thinner than the LS1/6?????<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. The aluminum 351 in the 2002 GT40 and SVT Lightning handles the Paxton NOVI 2000 supercharger quite well, the GT40 pushing 500 horses and no blown blocks in sight.

    To counter that "Ford tough" comment:

    *Throws a country twang in his voice and starts singing*

    "Like a rock, 'cuz that's as fast as you'll ever go, like a rock, as slow as it could be, like a rock"

    As I said before a simple cylinder swap will net this Cobra 477 HP @ 6000 RPM. Ford knows how to make performance vehicles, remember Colleti's Mustang beating out Chevy's fully tricked out Z06?

    Like a rock.....<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. #23 84FordMan, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from bruddah man matt</i>
    <b>Gee for a Ford guy you don't really know your numbers too well. The block used in the GT40 Concept and the Lightning is the 5.4L V8 which is not a 351. The 351 measures 5.8L on the metric scale. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Do some more research and a little less insulting newbie. 1993-1995 Ford F-150 Lightning, 5.8L 351 Windsor. Resources:

    http://www.panhandleperformance.com/bassani.html (Bottom of the page)
    http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ue?kbb;751342&;p&721&9;FT;D0&

    And yes I have seen a 1994 Lightning with the 351 with a Paxton supercharger and no blown heads.

    But hey, what should I expect from a Chevy fanboy?

    Like a rock...<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. and the "2002" GT40 concept uses the 5.4l V8 not the 5.8l....just like ford and their fans...1 step foward, 2 steps back...<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  25. Well I'm sorry that I gave more credit to a Chevy fan's intelligence than need be. Common sense would dictate that if I mention an engine and a truck, that if it doesn't match up to the most current model, that it probably is in an older model. Just like when I say 5.0L Mustang, would you think I was talking about the 2003 Mustang?

    Common sense people.<!-- Signature -->
     

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