Re: can't defeat a RS8

Discussion in '2002 Doran-Lista Dallara Judd' started by CorvetteZO6, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. I'm sure you guys mean the Audi R8 when you say "rs8". No this car cannot beat the R8, but it's not due to the engine not being super or turbo-charged. It's because Audi just has the money to develop the car more efectively. You see when you have a turbo motor you have smaller air restictors on your intake to cut back on the power, but when you have a naturally aspirated motor you are allowed a larger air intake to make up for the lack of forced induction. So the engine thing is less of an issue than you think. Actually, there are only a few teams in the LMP900 class with turbo-charged engines: Audi and Cadillac being the most prominent. Yes, Audi has steamrolled everything for the past two years, but once again, that's because they are part of the VW group and have huge financial resources. The R8 also has a much better chassis than the Dallara since they have had three years to develop it. So the Dallara will get better, but probably never get as good as the Audi because of the whole money issue. One more thing, the issue as to whether or not this car could compete with the Nissan R390C is an astoundingly moot point. The Nissan is no longer legal for competition. It had over 1000 hp (1400 hp in qualifying!!), different areodynamic rules, different drivetrain rules (it had a 5-speed tranny)...different rules in almost every respect, so you can't really compare the two cars. So put down Gran Turismo, do some research, and get the names of your cars right.
     
  2. This guy has it right, learn what you're talking about, and come back when you understand racing.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. R8 is not legal under the Grand AM rule.....and with a version of this chassis running in Le Mans this year(with Oreca) with the new 5 liter Judd motor, I think it'll have a decent chance against the R8...<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. I have to agree, I think that it will have a great chance. I just hope they can keep Didier Theys, he's an unbelievable driver.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. I'll be rooting for Panoz, as always :p. They put on a nice show here in portland this year <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">.

    -retsmah
     
  6. can't defeat a RS8

    Well , that car is good but i don't think it can win at Le Mans.
    Indeed its engine is not supercharged , as a result its torque is farm from the V8 3.5L turbocharged cars which run at Le Mans.
    I'd like to see a confrontation versus the RS8 or R390
     
  7. your damn right, it dosnt stand a chanse aginst the rs8
     
  8. The Dallara could beat the Audi. It makes no difference what kind of aspiration an engine has, even with the Audi. This has been proven by the Panoz, which has beaten the Audi(even with slightly lesser funding). The true determining factors are the pit crew, strategy, and the drivers. If you look at it the Dallara was able to double stint the tires almost every time at Daytona earlier, and the Audi rarely if ever double stints (and when they do the lap times don't stay as close to new tire times, as with the Dallara). The Dallara also has better drivers: Didier Theys, Freddy Lienhard, and Mauro Baldi, while the Audi has the likes of Tom Kristensen, Emmanuelle Pirro, and Frank Biela. As it is, the Audi drivers made more mistakes last year than the Fudd/Dallara drivers did. The only way to settle this is to watch the Enduro Triple Crown on Speed Channel. The Doran Lista is slated to be at Sebring and possiblly at Road Atlanta, while several Le Mans spec Oreca Dallaras will be at Le Mans with the Judd 5 Liter instead of the Judd 4 Liter of the Doran Lista. One should remember that the Orecas kept up relatively well at Le Mans last year despite the overly abundant torque and unreliability of the Chrysler(Dodge) engines
     
  9. Audi do double stint the tire......in fact the race at Mosport last year, the winning Pirro/Biela Audi ran 1 set of tire in the entire 2 hours and 45 mins race......and at Le Mans they triple stint the tire day and night.......Those Michelin rubber are extremely good endurance tire......

    I think in terms of the chassis, this Dallara in ALMS/ACO trim is every bit of a match as the chassis of the Audis, the dominant factor of the Audi is their team, Joest......Oreca is a strong team, and I think if their new Judd package holds up on reliability, the odd is pretty good.....<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. MCLAREN WOULD OWN IT
     
  11. xplicit42 just shut up, you're an idiot.
     
  12. I find it so funny that SO many people love these Malaren's. I admit that it is a sweet car, but there are others, lol. Well this car, judging by the specs, will definitely lose against an R8. Guess we will just have to see, huh. cya in my rear view
     
  13. I'm wondering what will happen at Le Mans this year with the Bentley EXP 8, because they were allready close in 2001, so this year it will be even more tight between them.

    And I wonder if Ferrari is ever going to return to Le Mans, preferably with a new car, because the Ferrari 333 SP isn't what you would call up-to-date :( although it wasn't doing so bad in the early stages of the Daytona 24H)
     
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    <b>I'm wondering what will happen at Le Mans this year with the Bentley EXP 8, because they were allready close in 2001, so this year it will be even more tight between them.

    And I wonder if Ferrari is ever going to return to Le Mans, preferably with a new car, because the Ferrari 333 SP isn't what you would call up-to-date :( although it wasn't doing so bad in the early stages of the Daytona 24H)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Bentley was third, but not exactly close......15 laps down from the leader in the end, with 8.3 miles per lap.....that's a long way off....

    This year isn't going to be Bentley's year, but next year it might just be.....<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. It's somewhat saddening, but to compete with winning in mind in motorsports today, financial resources are the biggest factor in success because they can use it to bring in the right people to design and drive their cars. people with lesser resources just have to do with what's left after the big guys get their pick.

    personally, i'm getting tired of the audis winning all these races, that including all the American Le Mans series races. i'm hoping for the panoz team to do some good this year, and at Le Mans would really like to see the Bently team win, especially after seeing what they did last year on their first time there in over 70 years.
     
  16. There is really no difference weather Bentley or Audi win at Le-Mans.. they are both VW owned. I'd still rather see Bentley win, I love the look of their car.

    I don't know if this car could beat the R8. I would say it'd be up to drivers skill.

     
  17. Ah, you have to remember that Bentley has only just came back to Le Mans after 70 years on the bench if i'm correct? I agree with the guy above me though, Audi and Bentley are both in the VW group so VW has to find a way to get Bentley back on track. Also i think the Bentley EXP 8 looks ALOT better then the norm proto class, open top racing has been a part of Le Mans for along time though if i am correct.( I ain't sure because here in AUS i can't get the info on the Le Mans :( only the shitty Bathurst 1000 and the rallies and F1s.) I wish i could be more into the LeMans side of racing but i just can't get the goods over here.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. Well the new Bentley MIGHT be a opentop car next year.......since ACO is not changing the rule about the tire size in LM GTP, something that really puts the closed top car in a disadvantage....<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. #19 deuginthesky, Aug 9, 2002
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    I will reply to "Corvette z06".
    I made a mistake about the name of the car , but you don't know it either asshole !!
    the real name is "Audi 3596 T" for both "Team Joest" ,"Audi sport north America" ,"Champion Racing" and "Johansson Motorsport"
    So do shut up your mouth ,and go on the official 24 Hours Le Mans web site:
    http://www.lemans.org/course/auto2001/auto2001/voitures/fiche_voitures_2_fr.shtml

    And the 3596T wasn't in gran turismo 2, sorry.
     
  20. So I suppose that the Chrysler Dallara is a " Chrysler 5999 A"
    You #$%#ing idiot! If had anything besides shit for brains you would have realized that the " 3596 T" is referring to the engine! Meaning that the engine is a 3.596 liter turbo engine, dumb ass! Check your facts before you start running your mouth about other people being wrong. Fucking idiot. You are a #$%#ing joke, IDIOT!<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. "MCLAREN WOULD OWN IT "

    You have got to be the most idiotic kid in the world. I said kid cause only a kid would know so little about racing. SO just shut the pie hole of yours and stick your fingure up your a#s and shut the [email protected]#$ up!!!
     
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    <b>So I suppose that the Chrysler Dallara is a " Chrysler 5999 A"
    You #$%#ing idiot! If had anything besides shit for brains you would have realized that the " 3596 T" is referring to the engine! Meaning that the engine is a 3.596 liter turbo engine, dumb ass! Check your facts before you start running your mouth about other people being wrong. Fucking idiot. You are a #$%#ing joke, IDIOT!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Just go on the official Le Mans web site espèce de gros con de blair !

    The Pescarolo team used a twinturbo version of the Peugeot V6 "ES4 JS9" which is a 3l !!!
     
  23. #23 Ed^-^, Aug 9, 2002
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    Firstly, the engine is an ES9 J4S, and it IS 3.2 liters.
    Get your head out of your ass and go to " www.mulsannescorner.com/couragec60.html". Like I said before, get your facts straight before you start running your mouth.<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. In all of this termoil I would just like top say this is a nice car<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. This thread is about wether or not this could beat an Audi right?

    I really think that it would be close and determined by driver skill and pit effiecency.<!-- Signature -->
     

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