Actually Vipers handle very well! There just hard to handle if your a novice. Vipers are made for experienced drivers. Just like an F1 cart. They handle better than anything yet a novice will never make use out of it before they kill themselves. Vipers handle great! There just not the easiest cars to drive. <!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Analogic</i> <b>Actually Vipers handle very well! There just hard to handle if your a novice. Vipers are made for experienced drivers. Just like an F1 cart. They handle better than anything yet a novice will never make use out of it before they kill themselves. Vipers handle great! There just not the easiest cars to drive. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Well I have been to numerous driving programs, most of them ruin-your-tires performance oriented. I consider myself an excellent driver, and I personally do not like how the Viper handles. Maybe it's all about taste, I don't know. But I like how an NSX handles much better than a Viper.<!-- Signature -->
Vipers handle well, but there not easy to control if your a novice. Vipers are not like Integras or BMWs in the sence that a novice could drive an Integra and the Integra (or BMW) is forgiving enough to make a novice feel like a pro! No the Viper wont allow that. Vipers are not forgiving and will make a novice look like a fool. However if your a skilled driver a Viper will compliment you.<!-- Signature -->
It's good to see that someone understands the truth about Vipers. I have read several magazine articles that tell you that anyone who has driven a Viper hard has spun it, but thats not true. Anyone without experiance who has driven a Viper hard has spun it, experianced drivers don't have a problem.<!-- Signature -->
Well I'm an experienced driver, and maybe I was just having a bad day, but when I drove a Viper at Sears Point it didn't respond well. Maybe my friend messed it up or something, I'll have to find another one I can drive there and test that out. But I have driven everything from a 96 Subaru Legacy to a Ferrari 360 and I didn't like the Viper's feel.<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from F1LM My Car</i> <b>Well I'm an experienced driver, and maybe I was just having a bad day, but when I drove a Viper at Sears Point it didn't respond well. Maybe my friend messed it up or something, I'll have to find another one I can drive there and test that out. But I have driven everything from a 96 Subaru Legacy to a Ferrari 360 and I didn't like the Viper's feel.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Have you ever driven a Corvette? Did you like the feel of that if you did? I havent watched GT2 Lemans in a long time but a couple years back I remeber the Viper as the car to beat! I mean the cars strongest point is the engine, but I mean the car I'm pretty sure Was the car to beat for a long time in Lemans so the handling has to be reasonably good! I mean if the car was as poor in handling as many people on this site make that car out to be, it never would have competed in anything. I'm not saying it's the best, but it's can't be bad. Or maybe the Viper team had an amazing racing team put together. Maybe it does handle amazing, Ive never driven one. <!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Analogic</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from F1LM My Car</i> <b>Well I'm an experienced driver, and maybe I was just having a bad day, but when I drove a Viper at Sears Point it didn't respond well. Maybe my friend messed it up or something, I'll have to find another one I can drive there and test that out. But I have driven everything from a 96 Subaru Legacy to a Ferrari 360 and I didn't like the Viper's feel.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Have you ever driven a Corvette? Did you like the feel of that if you did? I havent watched GT2 Lemans in a long time but a couple years back I remeber the Viper as the car to beat! I mean the cars strongest point is the engine, but I mean the car I'm pretty sure Was the car to beat for a long time in Lemans so the handling has to be reasonably good! I mean if the car was as poor in handling as many people on this site make that car out to be, it never would have competed in anything. I'm not saying it's the best, but it's can't be bad. Or maybe the Viper team had an amazing racing team put together. Maybe it does handle amazing, Ive never driven one. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I have driven many Corvettes, and with the exception of one that was seriously messed-up, I must say I liked them all. The handling is great, and the power and feel are all there. My only problem with the Vette is that it feels rather cramped to me (probably because I'm 6'4" and 225lbs). Many people say they loved how the Corvette felt, I disagree, but it's really all about personal taste. Aside from that, I have absolutely 0 complaints about the Corvette.<!-- Signature -->
You guys shouldnt compare 75,000 dollar rear wheel drive v10 muscle cars to 18,000 dollar front wheel drive jap. four cylinders. We all know if you dump the remaining 57,000 dollars into the front drive jap. car it would eat the muscle car for breakfast, spit it up and eat it for lunch, shit it out and do some reverse donuts on it before revving up to thirteen grand and leaving third gear rubber on the muscle cars shit. If you spent as much money on a civic type R or Integra type R as you would buying a viper, you would have a car that out stopped, out accelerated, and handled better than a viper. Yeah, a viper goes 170 or 180 but not on a race track or a road.<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hydronugget</i> <b>You guys shouldnt compare 75,000 dollar rear wheel drive v10 muscle cars to 18,000 dollar front wheel drive jap. four cylinders. We all know if you dump the remaining 57,000 dollars into the front drive jap. car it would eat the muscle car for breakfast, spit it up and eat it for lunch, shit it out and do some reverse donuts on it before revving up to thirteen grand and leaving third gear rubber on the muscle cars shit. If you spent as much money on a civic type R or Integra type R as you would buying a viper, you would have a car that out stopped, out accelerated, and handled better than a viper. Yeah, a viper goes 170 or 180 but not on a race track or a road.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Off the top of my head, I can't even think of 57k worth of mods to put into a Civic. I could maybe add 30k, but then after that, what's the point?<!-- Signature -->
Dear god!!! not to piss anyone off, but its pretty #$%#ing obvious that the civic was not stock. I couldn't get the movie to download, but the most recent vipers go 0-60 in 4 seconds. Ok, now if you look at civics, depending on the model, their 0-60 is between 7 and 9 seconds. obviousily a stock, $15,000 civic is not going to beat an $80,000 viper! Vipers do suck at turning though, so a civic may be able to beat it on a small track with a lot of turns, if its lucky<!-- Signature -->
yo u dont even no how much horepower or anythin gbout this car except that its another one of those civic POS'S that the tuner people think is so great, my crap looks better than this car
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MrKratchet</i> <b>Dear god!!! not to piss anyone off, but its pretty #$%#ing obvious that the civic was not stock. I couldn't get the movie to download, but the most recent vipers go 0-60 in 4 seconds. Ok, now if you look at civics, depending on the model, their 0-60 is between 7 and 9 seconds. obviousily a stock, $15,000 civic is not going to beat an $80,000 viper! Vipers do suck at turning though, so a civic may be able to beat it on a small track with a lot of turns, if its lucky</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> You had to look at 0-60 times to realize a stock Civic won't beat a stock Viper?<!-- Signature -->
Ya it is true that a stock civic would get seriously raped by any viper but my old civic that wasnt so much stock killed a viper.
I've never heard so much bullshit in my life!!! Lets see some pics of your "mod" civic.<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LAMBOlover</i> <b>Ya it is true that a stock civic would get seriously raped by any viper but my old civic that wasnt so much stock killed a viper.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I have never actaully tried to beat a Viper in any of my tuned cars, but I'm pretty certain that unless he blew a head gasket or something the Viper would win.<!-- Signature -->
I think its funny. No matter which way we put it, a "crappy econobox" Civic beat a Viper. Winning is winning right? Spec. wise, the Viper wins.. obvioulsy. However, you gotta give someone credit for pulling that off. Even if its not stock, its still an econobox Civic. If the owner of the Viper couldn't beat a Civic with it, then he had no right to even own a Viper. In fact, he should of handed over the title to the driver of the Civic. Its like watching the movie of the Supra vs. the Ferrari. Granted, the Supra was not stock, but it still beat a Ferrari which was probably 3x the price of the Supra... Most people would pose the question, would you rather have a Supra or a Ferrari? and my answer would be Ferrari.. if I had the money. But, if I didn't I would by a Supra and tune it. Most people cannot go out and buy a Viper. Most people, buy Civic's, Cavaliers, f*ing SUV's... etc, etc. BTW, how many of you hate SUV's???? and why... Does anyone know why they slow down when crossing railroad tracks??? See ya'll!!! <!-- Signature -->
I have that video, and the viper driver had a terrible launch and shifted too early. The Guy in the Civic knew what he was doing. Thats is a fast damn Civic. Now, for all the BS: The Viper handles quite well, but not if you are used to FWD or AWD. The Viper is the very essence of powerful FR driving. The stats are incredible, and that includes laptimes. If I spent 20K on an old muscle car, it will kill the Civic, and not just on the strip. Just because it is small and has a R on it does not mean it will out-handle all. Thats the magic of the aftermarket. It does not mean the old muscle car is better than the damn Civic, it means it is faster. Same for Civic vs Viper. This car is way over 15 grand. 15 grande will get you a regular Civic.<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i> <b>I have that video, and the viper driver had a terrible launch and shifted too early. The Guy in the Civic knew what he was doing. Thats is a fast damn Civic. Now, for all the BS: The Viper handles quite well, but not if you are used to FWD or AWD. The Viper is the very essence of powerful FR driving. The stats are incredible, and that includes laptimes. If I spent 20K on an old muscle car, it will kill the Civic, and not just on the strip. Just because it is small and has a R on it does not mean it will out-handle all. Thats the magic of the aftermarket. It does not mean the old muscle car is better than the damn Civic, it means it is faster. Same for Civic vs Viper. This car is way over 15 grand. 15 grande will get you a regular Civic.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Very true and well put. That Civic probably had almost another 10 grand into it. If I remember, it looked like a 93'-95' Civic Hatch or was it a coupe? Your right, the driver of the Viper did screw up the launch. And the Civic obviously had forced induction. The driver of the Civic definately knew what he was doing. If I could afford a Viper, I would take it anytime over a modified Civic.<!-- Signature -->
Every Sushi Burner at one time or another has mentioned a "video" of a Civic beating a Viper, or a Civic beating a Corvette. Why don't us Corvette guys ever brag about a 'Vette beating a Civic? Because beating a Honda Civic is no big deal. My response to these videos, magazine pictures, and (so called) life experiences is always this.... Come take a ride with me in my Corvette, and we'll race the first 100 Honda Civics we see. <!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i> <b>Every Sushi Burner at one time or another has mentioned a "video" of a Civic beating a Viper, or a Civic beating a Corvette. Why don't us Corvette guys ever brag about a 'Vette beating a Civic? Because beating a Honda Civic is no big deal. My response to these videos, magazine pictures, and (so called) life experiences is always this.... Come take a ride with me in my Corvette, and we'll race the first 100 Honda Civics we see. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Its more of a David vs. Goliath kinda of thing. Corvettes, Mustangs, Firebirds and many other cars can beat stock Civic's anyday, and many modified ones as well. And, in a twisted way, we get off tuning our cars enough to beat these types of monsters. Were not saying the other cars suck. They dont. I would take (buy) a Corvette any day over a Civic. I love everything about the present version of the Corvette. And Buzz, yeah!! I would definately consider trading the Viper for a Skyline. But both are really nice cars. Not sure what I would do in that situation. I have seen many people talking about how they beat a Civic with their Mustang and whatnot on other forums. I still think its funny that people take the time to find the Civic Type-R forum and talk crap about imports. But thats cool. It keeps me entertained <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Late!<!-- Signature -->
good points as usual bleak. lets put it this way seansvette. if you were to race a murcielago in your corvette, you would lose. im sorry, but you would lose. but if you modded your vette all to hell, you could easily win. it would be too powerful for the road, but youd still win on any track id say. wouldnt you then get your kicks from saying you beat a lambo, even though it was stock and you werent?<!-- Signature -->
It's an accomplishment yes! But a shit load of money too! You might as well of saved it all up and bought the Vette from the start, or at least an F-Body and with very minor adjustments make if faster than the Vette by just changing the exhuast to a more free flowing one! But my number one reason for hating little Sushi boys is this.... I'm driving down the road and a see the local Burger King, in the parking lot is a whole bunch of boys with their modded our Civics and Neons (What the F*ck is up with Neons?) Anyway, I stop at the light, turn in and go through the drive through, as I pull out, they all follow me down the damn road, so I get on the highway, they do too, now I can tell their looking for a damn race...What do I do? Drop it in 3rd and take off fishtailing from 65 to 90 within seconds as their damn headlights fade away! I get off and eventually they catch up to me at the next stop light! They roll down their windows, and one asks with his damn Addidas Visor on crooked.."Hey Dawg! Do you have NOS in that thang?" I said "No dumbass, this is a 350 LT-1 engine under this damn hood and I'm making 330 at the wheels, your little four banger would never catch up!" That's what I hate about Sushi boys, not the real Japanese type Racers. Just some ignorant little Eminem looking motherf uck ers with their dyed hair thinking if they drop cold air intake and 3.5 exhaust tips they have themselves a race car, and go looking to get their asses whipped! WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH MODDED NEONS? <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
I can appreciate a good sleeper car as much as anybody. In fact, if I had tons of money to blow I would build one. My single favorite sleeper car (mini-van actually) was built by Paul E. Smith. It's an 89 Dodge Caravan that can beat any stock F-body or standard C5 Corvette. To appreciate the beauty if this sleeper you have to take a look at it. www.turbovan.net It looks beat up, infact it looks ugly as hell. But that's what's great about it. NOBODY would suspect you're driving a 12 second mini-van. I would do anything to pull up next to a Corvette on the street in that thing, and see the look his face when I blow by him. I think it would be cool to soup up a Honda Civic to run 11s or 12s, but then leave the bodykits and stickers at home. THAT I can respect. But the vast majority of the "race" Civics are making a loud visual statement with very little power to back it up. It's all a trend really. Kids these days want to make a Fast & Furious clone so other kids will say, "yo dawg, dat Civic is tight!" When I was in high school the trend was 5.0 Mustangs. Yes, stock they're slow by today's standards but not back then. Plus, the 5.0 Mustang is the ULTIMATE tuner car. It's amazing how you can make a 14.9 second car run 12s with nothing more than a few bolt-ons. <!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i> <b>I can appreciate a good sleeper car as much as anybody. In fact, if I had tons of money to blow I would build one. My single favorite sleeper car (mini-van actually) was built by Paul E. Smith. It's an 89 Dodge Caravan that can beat any stock F-body or standard C5 Corvette. To appreciate the beauty if this sleeper you have to take a look at it. www.turbovan.net It looks beat up, infact it looks ugly as hell. But that's what's great about it. NOBODY would suspect you're driving a 12 second mini-van. I would do anything to pull up next to a Corvette on the street in that thing, and see the look his face when I blow by him. I think it would be cool to soup up a Honda Civic to run 11s or 12s, but then leave the bodykits and stickers at home. THAT I can respect. But the vast majority of the "race" Civics are making a loud visual statement with very little power to back it up. It's all a trend really. Kids these days want to make a Fast & Furious clone so other kids will say, "yo dawg, dat Civic is tight!" When I was in high school the trend was 5.0 Mustangs. Yes, stock they're slow by today's standards but not back then. Plus, the 5.0 Mustang is the ULTIMATE tuner car. It's amazing how you can make a 14.9 second car run 12s with nothing more than a few bolt-ons. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->yeah now youre getting it! a body kit may be okay. such as ground effects from say....honda optional equipment. none of this west wings crap. something subtle, from the factory. otherwise, leave it at home yes! a sleeper. the only thing i am going to change body-wise on my next project (yes its a civic) are the wheels. and they are going to be very simple, and im only changing them for weight purposes. less rotational mass=more speed. that van is hilarious. but awesome. and what the hell IS up with modded neons?<!-- Signature -->
I've heard a lot about people modifying Neons, but I have yet to see one in person. I see TONS of Civics with stickers and body kits. My take on Neons is the same for Civics. It would be a cool car to turn into a sleeper, but that's about it. <!-- Signature -->