Re: Corvette: awsome but Viper still dominates

Discussion in '2003 Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary' started by Lawman9C1, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BMW M</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from speedemonwithafastcamaro</i>
    <b> The Corvette may run a 3.9 with a perfect driver but never have I heard about or seen any such statistic given by a lajit athority.
    A vette as far as I know will only run a low four, again depending on the driver. Even so a Viper will beat a ZO6 in the 1/4mile with a disapointing consistancy. Any Viper at that.Trust me i've seen it for real.

    And in the everlasting words of Metallica "sad but true".

    However there is a flipside to that coin! Thankfully.
    Yes, on the track ( What these BEASTS were really made for )
    it is a different story. I recall an episode of Road and Track almost entirely devoted to the compatition ( How ever its spelled) of the Viper GTS the ZO6 and the last and absolute best winner of the losers the Sh*tstain Cobra Rukidding.

    To sum it up quickly,
    In a straight line comp. in a 1, 2, 3 order for the Ford fans who unsuprisingly get confused faster than they are dominated, I should know my father is one of them.
    One... Viper Two... Vette LAST... Sh*tstain

    Most importantly on the track,
    the Vette and Viper made a close race! Yet the Vipers efforts were in vain. Need I even mention the Poser R.

    Hmm... and if thats not satisfactory(? spelling) just review for yourself in ANY automag. The proof is in the pudding.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Regardless of how you see it the Z06 is the better bang for the buck. That's just one test you mentioned and it does not prove anything! And as hard as it is to achieve a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds in the Z06, it's just as difficult to do so in a Viper, so what's your point? Motor Trend tested the Viper doing 0-60 in 4.0 seconds CONSISTENTLY. And there is no way that the Viper is the better handler and the numbers don't lie:

    Skidpad:

    Z06-1.0
    Viper GTS-0.98

    Slalom:

    Z06-67.5 mph
    Viper GTS-63.6

    And here are the astonishing differences in braking from 60-0 mph:

    Z06-118 ft.
    Viper GTS-155ft.

    Couple those numbers with the Z06's great active handling system preventing oversteer and understeer, resulting in one of the greatest handlers in the world that simply cannot be matched by any Viper. The Viper's a great car but the Z06 simply offers greater performance for the money.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Theres a reason for the braking, untill last year the Viper never had ABS. Nor were its factory brakes top of the line. Thats one of the reasons all you aftertuned vipers (hennesey, Lingenfelter) have Baer Brakes. Handling wise its true the Viper may be just a bit meaner in the straight runs, but the vette out corners it enough to make up for the differance in displacement. Look at the GTS series, Vipers used to beat up on the vettes before the new 7 liter engines were put in the C5R's, because the vette had a handling advantage but just could not keep up in the straights, now the tables have turned.

    The secret to the vettes handling isnt so much the active systems or all those computer controlled drivers aids. The vettes have always had a need for high downforce. The vettes in Racing and on the street when behind a larger vehical, IE a semi truck or a Viper, handle much poorer than when out in front.

    For the money though, Vettes are deffinatly out in front. You want an interior to ***** about BMW M, go sit in a viper, its uncomfortable as all hell. <!-- Signature -->
     
  2. #2 OblivioN, Aug 9, 2002
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  3. american muscle car spirit?..I call it burden...
     
  4. Corvette: awsome but Viper still dominates

    The corvette is a pretty cool car with an awsome heritage. However, when it comes to power, speed, agility, and the many other characteristics of a supercar and or muscle car, the corvette simply doesnt come very close to the viper. The vette needs to have a bigger V8 first of all, and with that needs to come more power, more speed, acceleration, and agility. With the '03 viper coming out this fall, the corvette will farther behind. The corvette is indeed awsome, and i would take one any day, but it simply does not compete as well as it should with the viper.
     
  5. The base Corvette doesn't compete with the Viper. But throw in a Z06, and the playing feild is uneasily equal. the Z06 goes 0-60 in 3.9 (better than the ACR), top speed of over 175 mph, 1/4 miles in the 12's (Same as Vipers), 1.03 on the skidpad (.03 better than the Viper), but the most important number is the price -> less than $50k, which is $30k-$40k less than the Viper (that leaves me with enough money to get an SS Camaro too!), and guess what, the cars are extremely competitive, if you so much as port & polish the heads, the Viper will be left easily. And the 2004 C6 is supposed to sport the All Aluminum-Big Block 427 7.0 liter V8. Don't get me wrong, im a huge Viper fan, but you have to show the respect for the car that paved the way for the Viper.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Actually, the Viper can go 0-60 in 3.9 secs too. And the Viper isnt very far at all ahead of the Corvette on the track. The Z06 lacks no agility or hanlding to the Viper, if anything it has it beat there. But I love both cars. IMO they are the best sports cars on the planet <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  7. Vette Pro i couldnt agree with you more, however you should narrow down ur last statement, the viper and the vette are 2 of the best sports cars UNDER 100 GRAND<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. I meant to mention it.
     
  9. The Corvette may run a 3.9 with a perfect driver but never have I heard about or seen any such statistic given by a lajit athority.
    A vette as far as I know will only run a low four, again depending on the driver. Even so a Viper will beat a ZO6 in the 1/4mile with a disapointing consistancy. Any Viper at that.Trust me i've seen it for real.

    And in the everlasting words of Metallica "sad but true".

    However there is a flipside to that coin! Thankfully.
    Yes, on the track ( What these BEASTS were really made for )
    it is a different story. I recall an episode of Road and Track almost entirely devoted to the compatition ( How ever its spelled) of the Viper GTS the ZO6 and the last and absolute best winner of the losers the Sh*tstain Cobra Rukidding.

    To sum it up quickly,
    In a straight line comp. in a 1, 2, 3 order for the Ford fans who unsuprisingly get confused faster than they are dominated, I should know my father is one of them.
    One... Viper Two... Vette LAST... Sh*tstain

    Most importantly on the track,
    the Vette and Viper made a close race! Yet the Vipers efforts were in vain. Need I even mention the Poser R.

    Hmm... and if thats not satisfactory(? spelling) just review for yourself in ANY automag. The proof is in the pudding.
     
  10. Car and Driver got the '02 Z06 down to 4.0 for the 0-60. And I never said the Viper wouldnt win against a Vette. I just said a Vette has it in the corners.
     
  11. The Viper gets consistently better 1/4 times and slalom speeds, and it handles better on paper. It is also as good if not better in terms of modification potential compared to the Vette. A 650 R is about 30K again over the cost of the Base Viper (about 70K) and that gives you 650HP NA and 1.06 on the skid. Thats with a warranty.
    The Vette does take a back seat to the Viper right now IMO. But that makes sense. I have the May edition of Automobile, and they claim their price on their long term tester as 41K! Thats amazing, though I think for regular people it is more like 50K. But that extra 20K for the Viper makes a diff.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. simply put. Two incredible American cars. One motive: Keep the American muscle spirit alive.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from speedemonwithafastcamaro</i>
    <b> The Corvette may run a 3.9 with a perfect driver but never have I heard about or seen any such statistic given by a lajit athority.
    A vette as far as I know will only run a low four, again depending on the driver. Even so a Viper will beat a ZO6 in the 1/4mile with a disapointing consistancy. Any Viper at that.Trust me i've seen it for real.

    And in the everlasting words of Metallica "sad but true".

    However there is a flipside to that coin! Thankfully.
    Yes, on the track ( What these BEASTS were really made for )
    it is a different story. I recall an episode of Road and Track almost entirely devoted to the compatition ( How ever its spelled) of the Viper GTS the ZO6 and the last and absolute best winner of the losers the Sh*tstain Cobra Rukidding.

    To sum it up quickly,
    In a straight line comp. in a 1, 2, 3 order for the Ford fans who unsuprisingly get confused faster than they are dominated, I should know my father is one of them.
    One... Viper Two... Vette LAST... Sh*tstain

    Most importantly on the track,
    the Vette and Viper made a close race! Yet the Vipers efforts were in vain. Need I even mention the Poser R.

    Hmm... and if thats not satisfactory(? spelling) just review for yourself in ANY automag. The proof is in the pudding.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Regardless of how you see it the Z06 is the better bang for the buck. That's just one test you mentioned and it does not prove anything! And as hard as it is to achieve a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds in the Z06, it's just as difficult to do so in a Viper, so what's your point? Motor Trend tested the Viper doing 0-60 in 4.0 seconds CONSISTENTLY. And there is no way that the Viper is the better handler and the numbers don't lie:

    Skidpad:

    Z06-1.0
    Viper GTS-0.98

    Slalom:

    Z06-67.5 mph
    Viper GTS-63.6

    And here are the astonishing differences in braking from 60-0 mph:

    Z06-118 ft.
    Viper GTS-155ft.

    Couple those numbers with the Z06's great active handling system preventing oversteer and understeer, resulting in one of the greatest handlers in the world that simply cannot be matched by any Viper. The Viper's a great car but the Z06 simply offers greater performance for the money.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. Ok. Ok. We all know that when these two mean machines are scaled against eachother in an sanctioned road race, (or any race for that matter) the pro's and con's against them, they weigh out pretty even.
    I mean the sky is really the limit for these two stand out symbols of the automotive culture. So, in a situation such as this it must be understood that a race IS won by the machine but MORE ultimently the driver.

    Nomatter what the statistics.
     
  15. nice screen name spede... By the way, a fast camaro is an oxymoron TRY AGAIN [email protected]!#$%
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  16. Tsktsk WAY2SLOW4ME.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. Mr.2FAST4YOU

    Can you say:
    92 RS 35th
    LT1 383: Trick Flow 23degree all aluminum heads with ported and polished 70cc chambers and 2.02 intake/1.60 exhaust sitting under comp cams' R series Tbar hydrolic roller lifters, superduty valve springs, and 1.6 ratio roller rockers.The cam has a .598 lift on both intake and exhaust which will resist valve float AT THE 7,500 REDLINE.

    58mm throttle body,
    tuned 25lb/hr injectors couppled with a high volume fuel pump
    10.5:1 compression ratio Summit pistons
    MSD 6A ignition
    3in. exhaust straight VRRRROOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM the heads
    T56 out of a 99 C5 : Mcleod dual-disc clutch
    steel faced aluminum flywheel

    Also a rearend off the same C5(stock)
    315/45/18 on the back stuffed under the slightly modified rear fenders
    295/45/18 on front
    IROC chrome 5star customs
    four caliper 13.5 Baer brakes on all fours
    The Camaro cost 3000 (25000) total. But I really shouldn't put a price on my REDRUM. (actually straight white)
    All in all you shouldn't speak of what you don't know.
    So if you want me to leave tread marks all over whats gonna be left of your overconfident heart from 575ft.lbs of EAT YOU UP torque.
    Come and find me in West Palm Beach.

    P.S. I enjoy good compatition. Better get to work on that car of yours or else you might be 2SLOW4ME.

     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from spedemonwithafastcamaro</i>
    <b> Mr.2FAST4YOU

    Can you say:
    92 RS 35th
    LT1 383: Trick Flow 23degree all aluminum heads with ported and polished 70cc chambers and 2.02 intake/1.60 exhaust sitting under comp cams' R series Tbar hydrolic roller lifters, superduty valve springs, and 1.6 ratio roller rockers.The cam has a .598 lift on both intake and exhaust which will resist valve float AT THE 7,500 REDLINE.

    58mm throttle body,
    tuned 25lb/hr injectors couppled with a high volume fuel pump
    10.5:1 compression ratio Summit pistons
    MSD 6A ignition
    3in. exhaust straight VRRRROOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM the heads
    T56 out of a 99 C5 : Mcleod dual-disc clutch
    steel faced aluminum flywheel

    Also a rearend off the same C5(stock)
    315/45/18 on the back stuffed under the slightly modified rear fenders
    295/45/18 on front
    IROC chrome 5star customs
    four caliper 13.5 Baer brakes on all fours
    The Camaro cost 3000 (25000) total. But I really shouldn't put a price on my REDRUM. (actually straight white)
    All in all you shouldn't speak of what you don't know.
    So if you want me to leave tread marks all over whats gonna be left of your overconfident heart from 575ft.lbs of EAT YOU UP torque.
    Come and find me in West Palm Beach.

    P.S. I enjoy good compatition. Better get to work on that car of yours or else you might be 2SLOW4ME.

    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    We need to talk about the LT1, Im to the point of maxing out on the driveline, Ignition system, and Exhaust. Its time to go for the engine itself<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. I'm needing to pick my tounge up off the floor use the throne and wash my shorts.
    This is great news.GREAT! Viper has just raised the bar and it'll be awsome to see how Vette team will retaliate!

    YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

    What a battle this will be!
     
  20. #20 tyhel, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from OblivioN</i>
    <b> http://www.motortrend.com/june01/ttviper/ttviper_f.html

    Nuff said.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    that was june. this is now. Vette beat that viper. vette better than viper. viper needs better skillz<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT VETTE DID THIS?!!
    PLEASE POST STATS. AND PICS.

    WHAT A FEAT!!
     
  22. #22 Lawman9C1, Aug 9, 2002
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  23. thats the old one eh?<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>nice screen name spede... By the way, a fast camaro is an oxymoron TRY AGAIN [email protected]!#$%
    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Check the list of cars with highest top speed. I believe you will see a Camaro there. You might also find it in 0-60 times but I don't want to look right now. So much for an oxymoron.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. #25 BMW M, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from OblivioN</i>
    <b> http://www.motortrend.com/june01/ttviper/ttviper_f.html

    Nuff said.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The new lingenfelter Corvette does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds and rapes the 800TT anyday.<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

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