Re: Corvette VS NSX

Discussion in '2003 Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary' started by Gamer55, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Sorry, I somehow thought that it was you who posted what that chi999 guy or whoever was saying.

    When your paying $50,000 for the Z06, your paying mostly for performance. If you look at BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, and other good foreign cars, you will find that a mix between both Z06 performance and BMW quality will come at no less than twice the Corvette's price. But the quality in the Corvette is good enough to me most poeple's needs, which is whats important.
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>this has kind of been exhausted, my final point is, you want numbers? buy a civic, put in 20 grand into it... you want a REAL EXOTIC you buy an NSX> PERIOD! end of story</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You sir are an absolute abortion of an automobile enthusiast. A civic!?!?!? try to get that to campare, even with your 20 grand, to the longevity of the vette. you #$%#ing retarded biased son of a *****. your mommy and daddy buy you a great car (and i do think the nsx is a great car since it is priced 30 thousand over its closest competitor, which still kicks its ass...hahahaha) and you think that you #$%#ing rock ass. But the fact of the matter is that the NSX aint that geat for an exotic, since that is what you want to call it. Exotics have incredible performance numbers, and i would venture to say that the viper is an exotice, due to the fact that it is limited in production numbers and that this seems to be what you qualify as exotic, you ignorant stagnent cum bubble, and if you want to compare exotic to exotic compare your nsx to a viper, which seems to have excellent fit and finish and the same price as the NSX. Your NSX gets its ass handed to it with a lesbian afgannian whore sitting on the side when comapred to the viper! You need a lesson in humility! the Viper has incredible fit and finish and is in the same price range as the NSX and will trash your NSX for the next 10,00 dollars you put into your NSX.,

    Way 2 Fast, u are an ignorant #$%# who has lived underneathe mommy's skirt for too long, it is time you come out and face the real world. Get out from sucking your mother's c**t and experience what it is really like to earn money for yourself. That is geat that your father wants you to take over his huge company, i am not jealous more sorrowful that you will never know what the real world is like, you will always live in a fantasy world, surrounded by yes men and your parent's employees telling you how great you are.

    Learn something about cars you #%$got and then come back to talk on this forum. I think that it is funny how you start this thread based on your stock NSX beating vettes and then when you realize that that won't and doesn't hapen, because you lied (a.k.a. are full of shit) you go rumageing in the other direction and try to change the topic of conversation. you make me laugh.
     
  3. All this baloney about Corvette's poor reliability is getting on my nerves now.

    BMW M, the Corvette's interior isnt nearly as bad as your bashing it to be. That "cheap plastic" is just normal paneling used in most cars non-luxury cars, which makes sense since the Corvette... *gasp* isnt a luxury car! This poor reliability you keep talking about from Consumer Report Magazine, is a bunch of BS if you ask me. What exactly is it thats so poor? Your free to say that foreign cars are built better, but to say that GM's cars are the WORST because they arent at the highest possible level makes you just as ignorant as the American car fans you claim to hate so much.
     
  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BMW MIf you don't believe me that the NSX has a luxurious interior and the vette has cheap plastic interior, why don't you go visit an Acura dealer and just feel the premium leather used inside the NSX. And you told me that your father owns a Corvette, so why don't you feel the plastic interior inside the vette and then come back and tell me that it's leather.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    i have sat in the NSX and obviously the vett, and the Vette's interior is not "cheap plastic" and you are right it is not leather, but as you guys keep pointing out that the NSX is an exotic and the vette is not, well there you go. The vette's interior is not, a neon has a cheap interior, a focus, civic, cavalier they have cheap interiors, not so with the vette. It isnt leather, but it is not supposed to be.
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from bigrob</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BMW MIf you don't believe me that the NSX has a luxurious interior and the vette has cheap plastic interior, why don't you go visit an Acura dealer and just feel the premium leather used inside the NSX. And you told me that your father owns a Corvette, so why don't you feel the plastic interior inside the vette and then come back and tell me that it's leather.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    i have sat in the NSX and obviously the vett, and the Vette's interior is not "cheap plastic" and you are right it is not leather, but as you guys keep pointing out that the NSX is an exotic and the vette is not, well there you go. The vette's interior is not, a neon has a cheap interior, a focus, civic, cavalier they have cheap interiors, not so with the vette. It isnt leather, but it is not supposed to be.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    They probably wouldnt even know how to react to my interior. You want spacious and confortable, well you can fit a large pizza on the dash and still not have it over the edge, you have to lean forward a foot and a half to reach the radio, you can even touch the passangers side door without leaving your seat. Oh and theres about two feet between your seat and the passanger. My girlfriends 5'4'' and she cant touch her toes to the firewall when the seats all the way back. Back seat is like a couch. Oh and the front seats have about 5 inches of padding but just enough shoulder and side support to keep you in place when wipping around corners. All i need the HUD and I would be in heaven, so no I dont need to quality leather, and if carbon fiber is going in a car it should be for body panaling not interior.

    There is one true way to measure luxery in the interior, Wood Trim everywhere. I dont know why but I absolutely love the Jaguar wood trim. <!-- Signature -->
     
  6. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Vette_Pro</i>
    <b>All this baloney about Corvette's poor reliability is getting on my nerves now.

    BMW M, the Corvette's interior isnt nearly as bad as your bashing it to be. That "cheap plastic" is just normal paneling used in most cars non-luxury cars, which makes sense since the Corvette... *gasp* isnt a luxury car! This poor reliability you keep talking about from Consumer Report Magazine, is a bunch of BS if you ask me. What exactly is it thats so poor? Your free to say that foreign cars are built better, but to say that GM's cars are the WORST because they arent at the highest possible level makes you just as ignorant as the American car fans you claim to hate so much.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I never said GM is the WORST. GM ranks higher than Ford in terms of reliability but lags behind when compared to VW, Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, and Nissan. I have nothing against GM and I love how they have such a diverse lineup of vehicles that cater to the demands of every auto seeker. But you must face the fact that their reliability could be much better (especially if you're paying $50,000 USD) for a Z06.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. #232 BMW M, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>BMW M:
    Doesn't Consumer Reports' reliability report come from surveys of its 2.4 million readers? (Of which 500,000 responded.) If so, how does "the insight of top mechanics, automotive assemblers, etc..." figure into this?

    Are you saying that Consumer Reports has NOTHING to do with the Consumer Reports Auto Buying Guide?

    For anyone in general:

    Something from a Corvette Z06 owner.

    "Initial impressions:
    The biggest question/comment bimmerphiles (BMW fans) have about the Corvette is the "Quality" Issue and the GM corporate parts bin. Just for the record... it's all baloney.
    I am really impressed with the tightness and fit of the Vette. fit and finish are excellent. Is it BMW tuetonic level? No, it's not even intended to be. The car has its own personality and is executed very well within that design. Is the BMW better? Nope. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I like both for design, and feel the ZO6 is actually slightly better put together initially than my M coupe was, as-delivered. The M coupe had three screw ups from the first day, leaking rear wiper/washer, rattling glove box, and a rear deck lock mechanism that was not functioning properly. Further, it was missing chrome trim parts, and center console compartment. The ZO6 has no initial problems at all.
    In the balance, anyone who really believes the BMW is far superior has simply not even sat in the Vette. Chevy needs to be commended on an outstanding turnaround in this regard. In the ZO6, they have produced a car with excellent performance, excellent fit and finish, and very good ergonomics. I am very pleased, and don't feel I am missing anything by defecting from the BMW camp!

    "1500 miles and a few fun laps at Willow Springs:
    Fit and finish notes:
    I remain impressed with the overall fit and finish of this car. I have had no rattles, squeaks, creaks, or buzzes to complain about. Everything in this car works perfectly, the clutch, brake and gas pedals are smooth and firm, and placed very well. Steering feels a little heavy, but has an excellent ratio, and the car tracks perfectly straight on the freeway. The brakes are outstanding, and have not so much as squeaked or faded no matter what we've done to them. The exterior finish is very good, but is the cars weakest point. However, it looks just great polished up. It seams to be less prone to chipping than I experienced with the M, which by now had several chips in the nose (the Z has none yet)."

    http://www.lumenique.com/Cars/zo6/ZO6%20pg1.htm

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    Here's a review from a Z06 owner:

    Pros:
    I have done this twice because people need to know!!!!! I am a true owner of a 2001 yellow stick. The car has all the options and now... The car is fast, agile, and a head turner. I have raced a new M3, a Mitsu 3000GT, a Toyota Supra, and a Nissan Z. For fun, I smoked a new SL500. It is very responsive. I can't say anything about racing a porsche, although the numbers indicate a vette victory.

    Cons:
    This is a totally different subject. Since I got the car, I have had only problems with it. There are rattles coming from the dashboard, when I turn the wheel, the steering makes a clicking noise, and when the clutch is not pressed, it makes a knocking noise. The interior is very low quality. There is so much plastic in it, and the leather creases so easily, I wonder how the people at GM are not ashamed to put such a product out there. Also, the service sucks. I brought the car in for a major repair and I had to argue for a loaner - when I got it, it was a toyota corolla. When I bring my BMW in, I get a BMW out. - they're nearly the same price. Horrible!!

    Overall Review:
    Overall, I would recommend this car to anyone who is so crazy about it that they need to see a shirnk to function. You know, the types of people that wear corvette underwear. Although the BMW M3 is a little slower, the quality of the workmanship is uncomparable. This car turns heads, no doubt about it, but for almost 50K, it should also make the owner feel like its worth the money. From the frequent visits to the mechanic shop to the problems while driving, I can't wait for the lease to be over.

    <A HREF="http://carpoint.msn.com/userreviews/review.asp?<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. LOL

    Way to go BMW M, look I look I've seen MSCarpoint as well, say here's something a so-called owner said about the BMW M3....

    Pros:
    track performance and that’s all

    Cons:
    electrical problems, interior isn't what i wanted it to be...very poor quality..when you sit inside it doesn't have a $50K atitude, and the outside styling doesn't have to much of the "WOW" factor. The exhaust is POOR and we all know the "raspy chainsaw" sound it makes on revs.

    Overall Review:
    not the best car for your money unless your on the track all day long

    Little news flash for you, maybe 10 percent of the people there who post reviews, ACTUALLY OWN THE CAR!
     
  9. ROTFLMFAO!!!
    "The interior is very low quality. There is so much plastic in it, and the leather creases so easily, I wonder how the people at GM are not ashamed to put such a product out there."

    ...and this guy bought the car anyway?! What a freakin' moron! Is there a link to his car? Any pictures?

    BMW M:
    Have you heard anything about the problems with the new M3's? (I hate to bring it up, as the M3 is one of my favorite cars. But there are issues of reliability that have surfaced on the various M3 owners' forums.)
     
  10. you see, i disagree, GM has incredible reliability everywhere from the entry level saturn to the top of the line Caddy. Reliability reliability and more reliability. Saturns are just as reliable as the next econobox competitor and caddy, just as bad ass as the next luxo BMW or Lexus you can find. I dont buy what consumer reports says becaue there are other eaqually reputable names that dispute it (JD Power, motortrend, blah blah) and not to mention my own personal experience with GM vehicles. sorry, consumer reports is good if i am buying a washing machine or drier because they are the only company that i can think of that reports on shitl like reliability of those machines, but when it comes to a car, i am sorry but i ned somethin tath is going to tell me more that what C.R. does, i need something like motortrends long term tests say (which came out very very positive for the vette) and waht JD Pwer says, because those mags actually have hands on experience with the vehicles and consumer reports does not.
     
  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Guibo</i>
    <b>ROTFLMFAO!!!
    "The interior is very low quality. There is so much plastic in it, and the leather creases so easily, I wonder how the people at GM are not ashamed to put such a product out there."

    ...and this guy bought the car anyway?! What a freakin' moron! Is there a link to his car? Any pictures?

    BMW M:
    Have you heard anything about the problems with the new M3's? (I hate to bring it up, as the M3 is one of my favorite cars. But there are issues of reliability that have surfaced on the various M3 owners' forums.)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    How do you that the person claiming to own a Corvette on that webpage is not a farce either? The guy I quoted posted in msn carpoint and the chances of him owning a Corvette are equal to that of the guy you quoted. You can't prove that the guy who gave his opinion is not a frustrated vette owner and I can't prove that the guy who claims the vette is more reliable than the M coupe is wrong. You used a useless opinion and so I rebutted your argument plain and simple.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from bigrob</i>
    <b>you see, i disagree, GM has incredible reliability everywhere from the entry level saturn to the top of the line Caddy. Reliability reliability and more reliability. Saturns are just as reliable as the next econobox competitor and caddy, just as bad ass as the next luxo BMW or Lexus you can find. I dont buy what consumer reports says becaue there are other eaqually reputable names that dispute it (JD Power, motortrend, blah blah) and not to mention my own personal experience with GM vehicles. sorry, consumer reports is good if i am buying a washing machine or drier because they are the only company that i can think of that reports on shitl like reliability of those machines, but when it comes to a car, i am sorry but i ned somethin tath is going to tell me more that what C.R. does, i need something like motortrends long term tests say (which came out very very positive for the vette) and waht JD Pwer says, because those mags actually have hands on experience with the vehicles and consumer reports does not.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    If you don't trust Consumer's Report Auto Magazine then that's fine. But don't try to make a failed attempt in cheapening Consumer's Report Auto Magazine. Experience comes from the owners who have owned the cars and have empirical evidence of reliability. This is what Consumer's Report Auto magazine takes into account and is thus respected world wide. The magazine writers also have professional automotive assessment skills who review all the cars in a decent fashion. If you don't trust vehicle owners and automotive professionals then that's your choice but do not try to say that Consumer's Report is not credible because they present facts that you dislike.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Sparetire, HOW DO I KNOW THAT CORVETTE AND VIPER ARE NOT RELIABLE? HMMMMmmm First and most importantly i have read numerous, NOT tens, but maybe 4-5 different annual consumer reports which rated the vette as Very poor in the reliability department. And secondly i use logic, something that you guys lack, Explain this to me, how can you have Ferrari perfoming car for 40 k? THe answer is cut corners by placing cheap parts into the damn thing and by cutting cost on labor by hiring cheap assed engineers and workers. THUS YOU HAVE A VERY UNRELIABLE CAR. P/s the reason why viper was remodeled for 2003 is because simply even dodge admitted that its car was outdated.

    Lastly I'm not sure what my friend did to his civic I'm gathering info from him, as far as i know he dropped in an expensive nos kit and reinforced his engine to be capable of withstanding the pressure. Im getting dynos and time slips from him to be scanned to show you guys that im not full of shit.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>Aight, im a new user and im disguisted with the worshipping of the US sport cars, just like this corvette here. I own a 2001 NSX and I make these sorry ass corvettes look stupid with consistency.... PLEASE make a car that can compete with the big boys and that can last over 10 thousand miles..

    WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK, CAN THIS PIECE OF SHIT DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE NSX?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --><!-- Signature -->
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>The reason why GM is the biggest and most powerful automobile maker in the world is because of 3 reasons. 1) They have by far the largest line up of different automobiles from the damn metro to the vette, thus selling a lot more automobiles, quantity wise. 2) Their cars are exetremely affordable, thus there is a larger market for GM Cars, every one of their automobiles is cheaper than that of its respective competators. 3) Probably the most important reason, Just out of Nationalism and Patriotism an American is going to buy an AMERICAN made car, not because its better but because its made in the USA (and mexico AHAHH).

    P.S. I still havent seen 1 individual in here proving that the vette is a better vehicle than the NSX... 260 posts later, we're still at a stale mate.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Please compare these last two quotes. This is a perfect example of what not to do. This is what's called changing the debate when you're losing. In his original post, he claimed that this car was garbage, and he talked mostly about speed. After we prove that this car is faster than the NSX and a good all around car, he claims that this thread is about the NSX being an all around better car. I also believe that the NSX is the better car, but I've been on the Vette side of the debate because he said it was garbage. This is no stalemate. He lost badly, same as when he races Vettes.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>aright, great replies, i appreciate it. AND yes, i do really own a 01 NSX, now stock your right, i cant handle the corvette, but after a few easy mods, i mean performance intake, exhaust, headers and gears/pulleys, im pushing around 345 HP, and i easily take corvettes, WITH a smaller engine. I race at qualcomm stadium in San Diego CA, and win with consistency. I out perform the vettes in the 1/8 and 1/4 AND also on the street my car is much much much more prestigious.

    Lets not forget that the vette loses half its value after 1 year, never leaves the shop and is A CHEVY with electronics and powertrain that was last updated in the "12-th" century... Besides American engeneering is the LACK of engeneering, i mean the only way an american car can generate 350 HP is my having a 5.7 L v8... PUH-THETIC... besides who got the 4.2 acceleration on the stock corvette? Car and driver tested the z-06 at 4.24.... Something here isnt right </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --><!-- Signature -->
     
  17. So last friday night i stopped by qualcomm stadium to see if there would be any corvettes to race so i can scan the time slips... but unfortunately none... :( Maybe next week, however on the way there i was roudely challenged by an SVT cobra mustang, god these immature muscle fans just dont learn, although the cobra had more power under the hood, i waisted the SOB, he probably didnt even get a good look at my license plate<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. #243 BMW M, Aug 9, 2002
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    Headquartered in Agoura Hills, Calif., J.D. Power and Associates is a global marketing information services firm operating in key business sectors including market research, forecasting and customer satisfaction. The firm's quality and satisfaction measurements are based on actual customer responses from more than one million consumers annually. J.D. Power and Associates has U.S. offices in Dallas; Detroit; Torrance, Calif.; and Westport, Conn. The firm also has international offices serving Canada, the United Kingdom/Europe and the Asia Pacific region. J.D. Power and Associates can be accessed through the World Wide Web at www.jdpower.com. Media e-mail contact: john.pepitone@jdpower. This press release is provided for editorial use only. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates. * Note: These award segment scores are a weighted average of two segments: Entry and Mid-Sporty make up the Sporty Car award and Traditional Luxury and International Luxury make up the Premium Luxury award.Charts and graphs extracted from this press release must be accompanied by a statement identifying J.D. Power and Associates as the publisher and the J.D. Power and Associates 1999 Initial Quality Study 2 SM as the source. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates. Charts and graphs extracted from this press release must be accompanied by a statement identifying J.D. Power and Associates as the publisher and the J.D. Power and Associates 1999 Initial Quality Study 2 SM as the source. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates.*************—›› Begin a new search
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    The Vette gets the most appealing premium sports car award (ties the TT) In the "Peformance, Execution, and Layout study."
    AKA people like the car as an all around sports car. Interior and exterior. I saw no awards anywhere for the NSX, but that makes sence given it is basicly a 10 year old desighn. The point I am trying to make here is that the Vette is a bargain, and is a good all around car. GM has good quality controll. Later I will look at the Consumer repots stuff. But I will say this: They were embroiled in a scandal a few years back about getting money from Isuzu. I cant tell you where to look to find it, so don't beleive me if you don't want to, but they were under fire for it pretty badly. It does not ispire faith in thier credibility, but we'll just ignore that for now.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I'm not one to ignore facts and I do thank you for posting your opinion and your insight. I will look into what you say. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  19. #244 Zanardi 50, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i>
    <b>The study also shows that manufacturing plants from General Motors and Toyota stand out. GM's Flint, Michigan, assembly plant and Toyota's Tahara, Japan, assembly plant tie for the Platinum plant award based on the Buick LeSabre, Pontiac Bonneville and the Toyota Celica and Lexus LS 400 and GS sedans, respectively. Also in North America, the GM-Toyota joint venture, New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) car plant in Fremont, Calif., receives the Silver plant award based on the Corolla and Prizm models, while GM's Oshawa-1 assembly plant receives the Bronze based on the Lumina and Monte Carlo models.
    Headquartered in Agoura Hills, Calif., J.D. Power and Associates is a global marketing information services firm operating in key business sectors including market research, forecasting and customer satisfaction. The firm's quality and satisfaction measurements are based on actual customer responses from more than one million consumers annually. J.D. Power and Associates has U.S. offices in Dallas; Detroit; Torrance, Calif.; and Westport, Conn. The firm also has international offices serving Canada, the United Kingdom/Europe and the Asia Pacific region. J.D. Power and Associates can be accessed through the World Wide Web at www.jdpower.com. Media e-mail contact: john.pepitone@jdpower. This press release is provided for editorial use only. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates. * Note: These award segment scores are a weighted average of two segments: Entry and Mid-Sporty make up the Sporty Car award and Traditional Luxury and International Luxury make up the Premium Luxury award.Charts and graphs extracted from this press release must be accompanied by a statement identifying J.D. Power and Associates as the publisher and the J.D. Power and Associates 1999 Initial Quality Study 2 SM as the source. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates. Charts and graphs extracted from this press release must be accompanied by a statement identifying J.D. Power and Associates as the publisher and the J.D. Power and Associates 1999 Initial Quality Study 2 SM as the source. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates.*************—›› Begin a new search
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    The Vette gets the most appealing premium sports car award (ties the TT) In the "Peformance, Execution, and Layout study."
    AKA people like the car as an all around sports car. Interior and exterior. I saw no awards anywhere for the NSX, but that makes sence given it is basicly a 10 year old desighn. The point I am trying to make here is that the Vette is a bargain, and is a good all around car. GM has good quality controll. Later I will look at the Consumer repots stuff. But I will say this: They were embroiled in a scandal a few years back about getting money from Isuzu. I cant tell you where to look to find it, so don't beleive me if you don't want to, but they were under fire for it pretty badly. It does not ispire faith in thier credibility, but we'll just ignore that for now.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Thought I pitch in my 2 cents: Go to the following link:
    http://www.nsxhelp.com/faq/Surveys.htm



    The C-5 is more reliable than the earlier Vettes, no doubt about that. And I'll bet the NSX's intro back in 1991 had lots to do with it. That's good, because it gets GM's head out of their asses and DO something or say bye-bye to sports car-making business. Now it's Honda's turn to get their head out of their asses and invest more $$ and efforts to improve their F-1 engines AND the next gen NSX.
     
  20. #245 Zanardi 50, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i>
    <b>The study also shows that manufacturing plants from General Motors and Toyota stand out. GM's Flint, Michigan, assembly plant and Toyota's Tahara, Japan, assembly plant tie for the Platinum plant award based on the Buick LeSabre, Pontiac Bonneville and the Toyota Celica and Lexus LS 400 and GS sedans, respectively. Also in North America, the GM-Toyota joint venture, New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) car plant in Fremont, Calif., receives the Silver plant award based on the Corolla and Prizm models, while GM's Oshawa-1 assembly plant receives the Bronze based on the Lumina and Monte Carlo models.
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    The Vette gets the most appealing premium sports car award (ties the TT) In the "Peformance, Execution, and Layout study."
    AKA people like the car as an all around sports car. Interior and exterior. I saw no awards anywhere for the NSX, but that makes sence given it is basicly a 10 year old desighn. The point I am trying to make here is that the Vette is a bargain, and is a good all around car. GM has good quality controll. Later I will look at the Consumer repots stuff. But I will say this: They were embroiled in a scandal a few years back about getting money from Isuzu. I cant tell you where to look to find it, so don't beleive me if you don't want to, but they were under fire for it pretty badly. It does not ispire faith in thier credibility, but we'll just ignore that for now.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Thought I pitch in my 2 cents: Go to the following link:
    http://www.nsxhelp.com/faq/Surveys.htm



    The C-5 is more reliable than the earlier Vettes, no doubt about that. And I'll bet the NSX's intro back in 1991 had lots to do with it. That's good, because it gets GM's head out of their asses and DO something or say bye-bye to sports car-making business. Now it's Honda's turn to get their head out of their asses and invest more $$ and efforts to improve their F-1 engines AND the next gen NSX.
     
  21. #246 Zanardi 50, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i>
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    Headquartered in Agoura Hills, Calif., J.D. Power and Associates is a global marketing information services firm operating in key business sectors including market research, forecasting and customer satisfaction. The firm's quality and satisfaction measurements are based on actual customer responses from more than one million consumers annually. J.D. Power and Associates has U.S. offices in Dallas; Detroit; Torrance, Calif.; and Westport, Conn. The firm also has international offices serving Canada, the United Kingdom/Europe and the Asia Pacific region. J.D. Power and Associates can be accessed through the World Wide Web at www.jdpower.com. Media e-mail contact: john.pepitone@jdpower. This press release is provided for editorial use only. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates. * Note: These award segment scores are a weighted average of two segments: Entry and Mid-Sporty make up the Sporty Car award and Traditional Luxury and International Luxury make up the Premium Luxury award.Charts and graphs extracted from this press release must be accompanied by a statement identifying J.D. Power and Associates as the publisher and the J.D. Power and Associates 1999 Initial Quality Study 2 SM as the source. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates. Charts and graphs extracted from this press release must be accompanied by a statement identifying J.D. Power and Associates as the publisher and the J.D. Power and Associates 1999 Initial Quality Study 2 SM as the source. No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in this release or J.D. Power and Associates survey results without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and Associates.*************—›› Begin a new search
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    The Vette gets the most appealing premium sports car award (ties the TT) In the "Peformance, Execution, and Layout study."
    AKA people like the car as an all around sports car. Interior and exterior. I saw no awards anywhere for the NSX, but that makes sence given it is basicly a 10 year old desighn. The point I am trying to make here is that the Vette is a bargain, and is a good all around car. GM has good quality controll. Later I will look at the Consumer repots stuff. But I will say this: They were embroiled in a scandal a few years back about getting money from Isuzu. I cant tell you where to look to find it, so don't beleive me if you don't want to, but they were under fire for it pretty badly. It does not ispire faith in thier credibility, but we'll just ignore that for now.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Thought I pitch in my 2 cents: Go to the following link:
    http://www.nsxhelp.com/faq/Surveys.htm



    The C-5 is more reliable than the earlier Vettes, no doubt about that. And I'll bet the NSX's intro back in 1991 had lots to do with it. That's good, because it gets GM's head out of their asses and DO something or say bye-bye to sports car-making business. Now it's Honda's turn to get their head out of their asses and invest more $$ and efforts to improve their F-1 engines AND the next gen NSX.
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>So last friday night i stopped by qualcomm stadium to see if there would be any corvettes to race so i can scan the time slips... but unfortunately none... :( Maybe next week, however on the way there i was roudely challenged by an SVT cobra mustang, god these immature muscle fans just dont learn, although the cobra had more power under the hood, i waisted the SOB, he probably didnt even get a good look at my license plate</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Hey, when's the next time you'll be there? I'd like to set up a meet with some of the Z06 owners for you.
    Qualcomm is in SD, no?
     
  23. oh god, guibo are you trying to scare me? Give me a break! like i said, i take vettes with pure CONSISTENCY, now im not gonna bull sh!t you guys about beating z-06 because they do waist me, BUT i am more than capable of hanging in there.


    You want a car that puts up great numbers, put 20 grand into a civic, you want a real sports car, you buy an NSX<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. Nice the way you went from beating Vettes consistently to beating Vettes by virtue of consistency. Very clever.

    He's not trying to scare you. I dont think so anyway. That would just be a fun race to watch.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WAY2FAST4YOU</i>
    <b>oh god, guibo are you trying to scare me? Give me a break! like i said, i take vettes with pure CONSISTENCY, now im not gonna bull sh!t you guys about beating z-06 because they do waist me, BUT i am more than capable of hanging in there.


    You want a car that puts up great numbers, put 20 grand into a civic, you want a real sports car, you buy an NSX</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    $20,000 non-nitro in a civic (not including the price of the car) and you've got a low 13/ high 12 car.

    $20,000 in any Chevy car non-nitro with a 350 and you've got a possible 9 second to 11 second (if you really suck at it).

    Lets look at the guy who spent $0 in mods on his LS1 Camaro that ran an 11.5, try and match that.

    Even you should know that the Chevy 350 is the most built block ever, the 2 different versions of it place 1st and 3rd with the Ford 5.0 in 2nd. Anything that could be done has been done, it can be made to cheaply kick anyones ass with reliability.
     

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