Re: Domestics Vs. Imports

Discussion in '2002 Honda Civic Type-R' started by USRACING, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
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    <b>As an american that has lived in both the US and Europe I agree with the fact that not all imports are powerless little tin cans. But on the other hand You've got to have some brand pride so get that R sticker off that fourbanger pile of plastic and by a V-8</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->brand pride? hows this for brand pride?

    honda, the only independant company left. no affiliations, only trades with other companies. reliable cars, no embarrassments, and high revving autos that are the pinnacle of technology. thats something to be proud of.

    GM, so many different brands that they are known as the "whore of the automotive world" and are spread very thin among them. they have cars such as the chevette to be proud of. granted theres the corvette, which may as well have its own brand, because its really alone in the GM world.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Buzzbomber, you're probobly the most ignorant person on this website. You cant stand it when you are losing in a conversation so you start using big words, false information, and writing 2 page responses on why Hondas are better than any car in the whole world when most of that info makes very little sense. (Although I agree that the Vette IS alone in the world of GM.
    If you think that Hondas are high revving pennacles of technology, then you have some serious problems. The only way Hondas can do anythibg is if they are "modded". Without the ability to modify nobody would even think about Hondas when the word "sports car is mentioned. Its just like that if every car in the world was produced modified, civic fans would have nothing to talk about, because I've seen a modded cavalier leave a modded civic in the dust.
    FYI: Honda isnt the only independant car company left in the world. If they were, they would own every other auto company on Earth. Companies like GM, Ford, Mercades Benz, Porche/Volkswagon, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Rolls Royce/Bentley.... do I have to go on, are all independant companies although they have affiliations with other companies.
    GM in my opinion is a very smart company for having such a variety of cars which is why they make more money than Honda in the automotive sector (not including go carts, dirt bikrs, motorcyles, and farm equipment). GM makes many of the trucks that help transport goods across the world (including Hondas). Plus if one type of car doesn't fare well in sales, they always have another to make up for it, unlike Honda (which if there was a problem with its civics, the company would lose half its annual income.

    Oh yeah, one more thing the title of this forum should be changed to Domestics vs Ricers. I cant stand it when people think imports are only japaneese cars while they forget about great European cars that basiclly rule the world of sports cars.
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  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>SNORE. okay here goes. ill prove my points again, even though youll all say im just "scratching out an argument"

    1) sort of hypocritical to accuse me of writing such long responses when your own was just as long

    2)i never left out europe. they are imports here too. but typically, at least in the magazine world, you have domestics, european, and imports. imports being asian.

    3)if GM is such a smart company for being so diversified, then why did ford lose 58 billion in 1.5 years. they are just as, if not more, diversified.

    4)calling me ignorant is one of the funniest things ive ever read on these forums.

    5)yes the M3 is beat by the Z06. whoopdie do. id rather have a base 3 series than the Z06 becuase BMW's build quality is better than anything chevrolet (even the corvette) factories could ever even HOPE to achieve. same goes for honda. the NSX, although being slower (and 12 years older) than the Z06, was hand built, hand tested, and way ahead of its time. its time being 1990. wait until the new NSX is introduced.

    6) you get what you pay for. cheap speed is great if thats what you want. a cheap whore will have sex with you, but you get what you pay for. problems in the long run.

    7)yes OHV is old. so is OHC. i said that. whats your point?

    8)onstar is the most marketed, and most global system. GM makes more cars than anyone around the world. yes the other car companies were stupid to make their own.

    9)yes if there was something wrong with civics, honda would lose a lot of money. yet, i have yet to hear about that big recall. especially considering those civics only need 7500 between rec. oil changes, and the first tune up comes at a scheduled 100000 miles. but i guess the cavaliers are just as reliable right?

    10)dont bring up torque. its stupid and closed minded. F1 cars have 450 lb-ft less of torque than nascar cars, and yet could run circles around them.

    11)you want ignorance: "The Vette has 405hp, goes from 0-60 in 4.7 sec ". looks like this is very wrong. try 3.9 seconds. but then again, im ignorant.

    12)GM makes more than honda. but they only made 10 billion last year, as opposed to hondas 5 billion. i would think that GM was more than 2x the size of honda.

    13) honda has broken their own sales record every month for the last two years.

    14) i dont find honda as the greatest car company in the world, but YOU guys are ignorant if you think ANY domestic company is. even GM.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Hey Buzz,

    Seems like all you ever do is look for arguments with everyone you can find on this forum.

    1.) Ford is not a GM company so stop with the Ford shit.

    2.) The NSX may have been way ahead of its time 12 years ago, but it hasn't advanced much since then and has fallen behind GM (which is pretty sad).

    3.) If the Vette is a so called cheap, worthless peice of shit for $51,000 then the NSX shouldnt even sell for $35,000. The new ZO6 has great perfromace and handling reguardless if you think so or not.

    4.) I know that there hasn't been a big recall on civics yet, i was just making a point.

    5.) I don't care for Cavaliers either. I was just again making a point by stating a fact.

    6.) The 0-60 in 4.7 sec was in the Road and Track test not the factory test or anything. You can read the article for yourself.

    7.) I do NOT think that GM is the greatest car company in the world. No domestic company is. I don't think that there is any perfect car compay in the world, not even Ferrari.

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  3. URACING: I would say that BMW or Bentley is the closest your going to find in a perfect car manufacter. My own belief myself.

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  4. hey i know some smart mexican people is that a sterotype you are using my friend better watch yourself with that
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  5. That guy makes me laugh though.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. I Hate RustStangs you're cool in my book too. We sometimes have differences in opinions, but you 1)give facts 2)don't have unbased or unreasonable opinions 3)don't hate everything from Japan 4)like Chevys 5)seem like a good person. Keep it up!<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. this is my point Buzzbomber your own words right here...

    word for word-

    Buzzbomber "oh, and just becuase its pushrod doesnt mean its old. DOHC is old too, and was originally american. again, your ignorance is showing."

    Then you say... Buzzbomber "yes OHV is old. so is OHC. i said that. whats your point?"

    My point is Hondas most technologicaly advanced sportscar brought to America couldnt #$%# with OLD USA know how.

    You did not at first agree with me that Pushrod is old, later on you do and then tell me you admited it was!

    Then you call me ignorant!!!!

    You sarcastically talk about GM being so smart with its diversity, then bring up Ford losin 58 billion! Who said Ford was smart? Who said Ford can emulate what GM did? Not me not anyone here!

    As for you considering Acura an Honda the same. I don't care if you consider it the same because they are not! I said to be totaly literal they are different. There different in the most literal of terms, just as Pontiac and Chevy are in the most literal of terms. Honda is not the only one standing solo. Stop saying things that are not true!! Get true information and use that.

    Plus I don't think any of us said that ANY Domestic is better than Honda.

    I am coming down on you becuase you refuse to give GM respect and expect us to give Honda respect (wich I do on many other topics anyways). You wouldnt give GM respect because you have no respect for GM. And if you did compliment them it wouldnt be without a smart remark afterward!

    Correct me if Im mistaken but, If we were comparing Hondas to Bimmers I personally don't think you would be so pissed. But because it's a company you consider inferior to Honda, you are pissed.

    Please explain where I am ignorant! Please explain where I contradict myself as you do! Especially the Pushrod statement.

    Again, please explain "oh, and just becuase its pushrod doesnt mean its old. DOHC is old too, and was originally american. again, your ignorance is showing."

    then after you say "yes OHV is old. so is OHC. i said that. whats your point?"

    I love that. Please explain where I went wrong cutting and pasting your 2 staments, these were YOUR words not mine buddy.

    Just so you all know, I'm not being patiotic. Im not Japanese, I'm not European, I'm not from the U.S.. I'm a Jamaican born Canadian. In fact I don't even like America as a country all that much. I do however like there cars (again not all). Jamaica gets all the Deport used cars from Japan and most European countries every four years becase they drive on the same street and Japan has those strict automotive laws. I figured I would tell you all this so you know this aint my partiotic pride speaking. Now I dont want to diss. Truly I don't but you called ME ignorant when it was you who contradicted yourself. <!-- Signature -->
     
  8. Domestics Vs. Imports

    You guys that constantly argue over American cars are better or imports are better sounds like little kids argue over a toy.

    I respect both types of cars and I feel take the cars for what they worth.
     
  9. As an american that has lived in both the US and Europe I agree with the fact that not all imports are powerless little tin cans. But on the other hand You've got to have some brand pride so get that R sticker off that fourbanger pile of plastic and by a V-8<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Lawman9C1</i>
    <b>As an american that has lived in both the US and Europe I agree with the fact that not all imports are powerless little tin cans. But on the other hand You've got to have some brand pride so get that R sticker off that fourbanger pile of plastic and by a V-8</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->brand pride? hows this for brand pride?

    honda, the only independant company left. no affiliations, only trades with other companies. reliable cars, no embarrassments, and high revving autos that are the pinnacle of technology. thats something to be proud of.

    GM, so many different brands that they are known as the "whore of the automotive world" and are spread very thin among them. they have cars such as the chevette to be proud of. granted theres the corvette, which may as well have its own brand, because its really alone in the GM world.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Hey Buzz Bomber!!!!!!

    I believe Acura's RL uses GMs Onstar system (check the site yourself). Plus Honda is Acura. Being totally literal they are 2 different companies. But forget that.

    As for Pinacle of technology, the NSX is inferior to the ZO6 in almost every performance test including price. How great is there technology if they can't beat oldschool Pushrod technology? Yah man OLD OLD OLD technology beats Hondas ultimate technological machine!! Check the March 2002 Road & Track issue where 3 drivers (one of them being Steve Millen) test Porsche 911/ Acura NSX/ & ZO6. All of drivers were fastest with the ZO6. Steve Millen (who was the most experienced driver there) chose the ZO6 as his favorite bar none. The Midengine NSX with all that technology, still cant #$%# with the front engine ZO6 on the street. Very OLD American technology schools your NSX stink!! And those who get mad at me, don't. First check the stats do some reaserch then come back to me. Youll see the ZO6 as the more superior machine (performance wise). And don't come to me with that modified NSX shit because we are talkin about bone stock cars made for the street. OLD U.S. tech beats the best technology Honda could send. <!-- Signature -->
     
  12. Hey Buzz Bomber!!!!!!

    I believe Acura's RL uses GMs Onstar system (check the site yourself). Plus Honda is Acura. Being totally literal they are 2 different companies. But forget that.

    As for Pinacle of technology, the NSX is inferior to the ZO6 in almost every performance test including price. How great is there technology if they can't beat oldschool Pushrod technology? Yah man OLD OLD OLD technology beats Hondas ultimate technological machine!! Check the March 2002 Road & Track issue where 3 drivers (one of them being Steve Millen) test Porsche 911/ Acura NSX/ & ZO6. All of drivers were fastest with the ZO6. Steve Millen (who was the most experienced driver there) chose the ZO6 as his favorite bar none. The Midengine NSX with all that technology, still cant #$%# with the front engine ZO6 on the street. Very OLD American technology schools your NSX stink!! And those who get mad at me, don't. First check the stats do some reaserch then come back to me. Youll see the ZO6 as the more superior machine (performance wise). And don't come to me with that modified NSX shit because we are talkin about bone stock cars made for the street. OLD U.S. tech beats the best technology Honda could send.


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  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
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    <b>As an american that has lived in both the US and Europe I agree with the fact that not all imports are powerless little tin cans. But on the other hand You've got to have some brand pride so get that R sticker off that fourbanger pile of plastic and by a V-8</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->brand pride? hows this for brand pride?

    honda, the only independant company left. no affiliations, only trades with other companies. reliable cars, no embarrassments, and high revving autos that are the pinnacle of technology. thats something to be proud of.

    GM, so many different brands that they are known as the "whore of the automotive world" and are spread very thin among them. they have cars such as the chevette to be proud of. granted theres the corvette, which may as well have its own brand, because its really alone in the GM world.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Actually the Chevette <b>IS</b> something to be proud of. I have read that the the Chevette is the all time best beater car you can buy. In fact, about a year ago I read GM Tech magazine where they built an 11 second Chevette out of <b>Barnyard parts</b> for $3000 That includes the car!!! Thats not just Used parts, thats not just Junkparts, BARN YARD FUCKING PARTS!!! INCLUDING THE CAR! Call it a joke but best beater car of all time is a good title. And to build an 11second quarter mile car for $3000 including the car is an amazing bargin. <!-- Signature -->
     
  14. yes honda is acura, but acura is only in north america, so i consider it to be only honda. the NSX in america is acura, but everywhere else it is a honda. same for integra, TL, etc.

    also, i would HOPE the Z06 would be more advanced. its brand new! the NSX is using technology over a decade old.

    second, remember that numbers arent everything. ferraris are more technologically advanced than a vette, and the Z06 is still, number-wise, a lot faster. please dont be ignorant.

    and as for the RL. i could care less if it was a GM with an acura badge on it. that car is nothing more than an entry into the upper luxury division of cars to compete in that area of the market. using GM's onstar has nothing to do with the car itself, nor its reliablity or performance. it would be stupid to create your own version of it, if one already exists.

    oh, and just becuase its pushrod doesnt mean its old. DOHC is old too, and was originally american. again, your ignorance is showing. <!-- Signature -->
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>yes honda is acura, but acura is only in north america, so i consider it to be only honda. the NSX in america is acura, but everywhere else it is a honda. same for integra, TL, etc.

    also, i would HOPE the Z06 would be more advanced. its brand new! the NSX is using technology over a decade old.

    second, remember that numbers arent everything. ferraris are more technologically advanced than a vette, and the Z06 is still, number-wise, a lot faster. please dont be ignorant.

    and as for the RL. i could care less if it was a GM with an acura badge on it. that car is nothing more than an entry into the upper luxury division of cars to compete in that area of the market. using GM's onstar has nothing to do with the car itself, nor its reliablity or performance. it would be stupid to create your own version of it, if one already exists.

    oh, and just becuase its pushrod doesnt mean its old. DOHC is old too, and was originally american. again, your ignorance is showing. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Yah scratching around to find some kind of argument. Dude you are talking about how great Honda tech is so amazing. I bring up old technology (which it is) Pushrod technology is old! What the hell are you talking about? Ive gone to other forums and people many people ask why they still use the old pushrod technology. Car magazines talk about the oldpushrod. If I said it was new technology you would argue with me on that! It is old. And I gave you more than just numbers on the ZO6. I did mention that the ZO6 was Steve Millens #1 Choice? I think I did. Did I mention the other 2 drivers were also fastest with the ZO6! I think I did. AND lets not forget the stats! Yah If the NSX had better numbers I wouldn't hear the end of it.

    Talk about my ignorance showing! Geeze man, I gave you more than stats, I give you personal opinions by the profesionals and the resource to find the stats and you talk about stats are not everything! Shit man I didnt even give you any stats! I told you to look it up yourself! I gave you the option to not belive me and look it up for yourself. The ZO6 also beats the M3 in everysingle performance stats Car and Driver uses. I Don't want U 2 believe me! Go check yourself! Let the something else prove it.

    As for being stupid for Honda to create thier own version of Onstar,
    I guess all the other companys that had thier own version of Onstar were stupid and GM were the only smart manufactuerers because they didnt buy into GM's OnStar. Get the #$%# out of here! I don't disrespect guys really hard who have more experience on this site, but this is #$%#in bullshit. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>Hey Buzz Bomber!!!!!!

    I believe Acura's RL uses GMs Onstar system (check the site yourself). Plus Honda is Acura. Being totally literal they are 2 different companies. But forget that.

    As for Pinacle of technology, the NSX is inferior to the ZO6 in almost every performance test including price. How great is there technology if they can't beat oldschool Pushrod technology? Yah man OLD OLD OLD technology beats Hondas ultimate technological machine!! Check the March 2002 Road & Track issue where 3 drivers (one of them being Steve Millen) test Porsche 911/ Acura NSX/ & ZO6. All of drivers were fastest with the ZO6. Steve Millen (who was the most experienced driver there) chose the ZO6 as his favorite bar none. The Midengine NSX with all that technology, still cant #$%# with the front engine ZO6 on the street. Very OLD American technology schools your NSX stink!! And those who get mad at me, don't. First check the stats do some reaserch then come back to me. Youll see the ZO6 as the more superior machine (performance wise). And don't come to me with that modified NSX shit because we are talkin about bone stock cars made for the street. OLD U.S. tech beats the best technology Honda could send. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Yes, it's all true.

    I happened to read the article myself. The NSX was outpreformed in every category (exept price) by the ZO6 and the Porche 911). The only guy who chose the NSX was the enthusiast (who never raced in his life). The ZO6 came out on top in the end.
    Also, the NSX isn't new technology. It's practiclly been the same car ever since it came out until the new Honda NSX came out this year with better specs. NSX's are a total ripoff if you ask me! I mean cmon the thing costs $91,000 and only has 290hp and it takes a full 5.0 seconds from 0-60 and only has 224 ft lbs of torque. The Vette has 405hp, goes from 0-60 in 4.7 sec and has 400 ft lbs of torque and only costs $50,000 Plus, both cars have better gas mileage than the NSX.
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  17. SNORE. okay here goes. ill prove my points again, even though youll all say im just "scratching out an argument"

    1) sort of hypocritical to accuse me of writing such long responses when your own was just as long

    2)i never left out europe. they are imports here too. but typically, at least in the magazine world, you have domestics, european, and imports. imports being asian.

    3)if GM is such a smart company for being so diversified, then why did ford lose 58 billion in 1.5 years. they are just as, if not more, diversified.

    4)calling me ignorant is one of the funniest things ive ever read on these forums.

    5)yes the M3 is beat by the Z06. whoopdie do. id rather have a base 3 series than the Z06 becuase BMW's build quality is better than anything chevrolet (even the corvette) factories could ever even HOPE to achieve. same goes for honda. the NSX, although being slower (and 12 years older) than the Z06, was hand built, hand tested, and way ahead of its time. its time being 1990. wait until the new NSX is introduced.

    6) you get what you pay for. cheap speed is great if thats what you want. a cheap whore will have sex with you, but you get what you pay for. problems in the long run.

    7)yes OHV is old. so is OHC. i said that. whats your point?

    8)onstar is the most marketed, and most global system. GM makes more cars than anyone around the world. yes the other car companies were stupid to make their own.

    9)yes if there was something wrong with civics, honda would lose a lot of money. yet, i have yet to hear about that big recall. especially considering those civics only need 7500 between rec. oil changes, and the first tune up comes at a scheduled 100000 miles. but i guess the cavaliers are just as reliable right?

    10)dont bring up torque. its stupid and closed minded. F1 cars have 450 lb-ft less of torque than nascar cars, and yet could run circles around them.

    11)you want ignorance: "The Vette has 405hp, goes from 0-60 in 4.7 sec ". looks like this is very wrong. try 3.9 seconds. but then again, im ignorant.

    12)GM makes more than honda. but they only made 10 billion last year, as opposed to hondas 5 billion. i would think that GM was more than 2x the size of honda.

    13) honda has broken their own sales record every month for the last two years.

    14) i dont find honda as the greatest car company in the world, but YOU guys are ignorant if you think ANY domestic company is. even GM.<!-- Signature -->
     
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  19. yes i agree. if you look in the japanese forums, ive got the last post in almost every thread, and in several of them, im just trying to get a point across to him. all he ever says are the same old things. its annoying. oh well. the quote from erwin in my sig is about spyder.

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    <b>yes i agree. if you look in the japanese forums, ive got the last post in almost every thread, and in several of them, im just trying to get a point across to him. all he ever says are the same old things. its annoying. oh well. the quote from erwin in my sig is about spyder.

    logic escapes the stupid ones.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
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  21. ah i think we misunderstand each other. when i said "oh, and just becuase its pushrod doesnt mean its old. DOHC is old too, and was originally american." i was complimenting the fact that both technologies are old (not really modern in concept) and that both were invented here in the US. i meant that just because its OHV, that doesnt make it old, becuase a lot of new american muscle still use it. just a newer design. i never contradicted myself. youre right. but both are "OLD USA know how". they are both old and proven. i just prefer DOHC over anything. and OHV over SOHC.

    my point was, if GM was smart for being so diversified, then why didnt ford, a company MORE diversified, make any money at all. clearly GM is doing something different. in the long run though, its better to have less factories around the world, because you spread your resources so thin. at least thats what ford president said after their losses were released.

    Honda IS Acura. Acura is a very small division of cars that just wear a different label here in the good ole US. in japan, the NSX is called a honda. its just that we americans like to be known if we have a "luxury car", which is what acura tries to be. (see, im not totally biased). Pontiac and Chevy are VERY similar, but are Buick and Chevy, Cadillac and Chevy, Subaru and Chevy, and so on?

    i give GM very much respect. they are my 4th favorite car company. Honda, BMW, Porsche/Audi/VW (<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">) and GM. ford and dodge are not among that group at all. i think we can BOTH agree on that it seems. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

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  22. lol.

    i LOVE the new Z06's. i saw my second one ever on the road two days ago. i love it. what im talking about is the build quality. hand built vs. assembly line. quality vs. quantity. honda doesnt need to make money off the NSX, so they havent changed it. when they do in a year or two, they will leave it for another 10 years. thats my guess. i do like the constant changes GM makes to the vette.


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  23. i agree with you. the other euro cars just barely can keep up it seems. but why bentley and not say...RR? or the exotics like Lambo?<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. I don't think we should call American cars as domestics and Japanese and European cars as Imports. Becuz this is the world wide web, not USA wide web. That means people from different places come to this site.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>i agree with you. the other euro cars just barely can keep up it seems. but why bentley and not say...RR? or the exotics like Lambo?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Because from what Ive read, Ferraris are not consistantly reliable (what I've read and been told). Often Lamborghinis have the worst gas milage, plus when BBC did a show on the Countach, they said it was a very difficult machine to drive park see the road etc. RR although very close to the best actually has built a car (the Corniche I believe it was)that a certian few did not recommend!

    Bentley, However, I'm pretty sure has the best customer satisfaction record of all time. It's hand built, They have never built a Lemon and there satisfaction record is perfect. No one who has ever bought a Bentley has not been satisfied. Plus it's obvious they make no compramises when making the car. If a Bentley is not perfect, it's not sold. Bentleys can be heavly modified to your personall specs before you buy it! A car thats stock yet exact to the owners sepcifications. You can't possibly beat that.

    BMW, however has built great cars, they are doing well Financially, and there cars are consistantly the standard in which all other cars seem to be measured by. They have also built a car in which many believe is the worlds best car (the M5).

    Honda is very very solid. I personally think they could take the title. There cars are sound, they got the marketing strategy, and the name holds alot of weight. But they aint going to until they add something... I think they are going to need, something that makes there cars not look like part of the background. Their problem (if you call it a problem) is that there so comfortable right now in the position thier in that they wont take that next step to become great because that involves risk they don't seem ready to take.
    (I only used what I see on the street, what I know & logical assumptions. Again I could be totally wrong).<!-- Signature -->
     

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