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Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by Bene, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. #176 FearThe3000gt, Aug 9, 2002
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    Re: Dont get so COCKY ford guys ,F-bodies will be back soon(MORE

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Iverson</i>
    <b>Here are two more sites hoseman.

    http://www.staphonline.com/2003cobra.html
    This one says just under 5 seconds (motortrend)

    http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/03cobrainfo.html
    And this site says 4.6 seconds, which is the fastest time I found for this car. However its estamited on both sites.
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    Hey iverson, This car does 0-60 in 5.6 secs stupid american,
    thats only if a fast car is pushing it,
    the 3000gt will kill this car
     
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    My baloney has a first name, its h-o-m-e-r,
    My baloney has a second name, its h-o-m-e-r..."
     
  3. Yeah but chevybeast you have to realize one thing too! As much as I love the corvette, and loathe the Mustang, these guys are just trying to hold their own! Go browse around this forum and I swear 9 out of 10 posts always have "Yeah but the zo6 or c5 will whip it's ass!"
    that's what these guys are talking about! And frankly I'm sick of it too! It's just an ignorant, and I mean ignorant statement!
    Almost like a 5 year old with no knowledge, just says that shit, but I know a few people who are guilty of it, so I try to stay out of that posts cuz it turns into a heated battle of ignornance!<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. #179 Heyman, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Iverson</i>
    <b>Here are two more sites hoseman.

    http://www.staphonline.com/2003cobra.html
    This one says just under 5 seconds (motortrend)

    http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/03cobrainfo.html
    And this site says 4.6 seconds, which is the fastest time I found for this car. However its estamited on both sites.
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    Motortrend said they feel "confident of sub-5-second 0-60 runs" and "Safe to say, anything less than a Corvette Z06 or Dodge Viper may be in the slow lane next to this" about the '03 Cobra.

    As you agreed, all the times are projected, but there is no way the Cobra won't be at least as fast as the corvette on the straits.
     
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    The word is mid-12s on street tires and trapping in the low 110s, but we'll have to wait for the official tests
     
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    Dude this car rocks man!!!!! totally yea dude, whoa, i'm amazed by it's looks and it's power and the fact that i can get jiggy <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    This car is going to be fast as hell. I hate when people try to compare the ZO6 to the cobra.You cant do that, its like comparing apples with organes.Mustangs are made to go up against the tras-ams and camaros. If you gm guys wanna compare the zo6 to somethinn try the gt40. the gt40 will run laps around vette.i would like to see this and the ss duke it out and i bet the cobra will rape it.long live ford!!
     
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    You GM guys are real idiots. The mustang beat the fbodies because Fords styling attracted both males and females. Most females like the sporty look and the light power. Males chose the mustang because of style and the fact that Ford has one of the best performance parts programs in the world. And the aftermarket for the mustang is huge. Its pretty funny how a 281 built by Ford modified by a customer, can beat the crap out of a 350 built by GM modified by a customer. Face it Ford knows how to reach all consumers. Not Just a Select Few.
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 428cjpower</i>
    <b>This car is going to be fast as hell. I hate when people try to compare the ZO6 to the cobra.You cant do that, its like comparing apples with organes.Mustangs are made to go up against the tras-ams and camaros. If you gm guys wanna compare the zo6 to somethinn try the gt40. the gt40 will run laps around vette.i would like to see this and the ss duke it out and i bet the cobra will rape it.long live ford!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Amen, Brother.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Dont get so COCKY Chevy ,F-bodies will NEVER be back and the new

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    <b>You GM guys are real idiots. The mustang beat the fbodies because Fords styling attracted both males and females. Most females like the sporty look and the light power. Males chose the mustang because of style and the fact that Ford has one of the best performance parts programs in the world. And the aftermarket for the mustang is huge. Its pretty funny how a 281 built by Ford modified by a customer, can beat the crap out of a 350 built by GM modified by a customer. Face it Ford knows how to reach all consumers. Not Just a Select Few.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You right !

    It's exactly what I think, the '98-'02 camaro design sucks (specially if you think in the female market).

    In performance parts Ford is the best, they're allways lauching programs and special editions just to show to owners/customers what 'we can do for you'.

    Sometimes they're building incredible cars like SuperStallion, Boss, FR500 and special editions like Bullitt and Mach 1...

    You'll never get a SuperStallion or a Boss but it's just to show how many things you can to with performance parts...

    This is to show that SVT is alive and all you need to do is put your car there...


    Meanwhile GM was sleeping with their new '98-'02 ugly camero...
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    I have a question for the chevy guys out there. If the camaro was such a cool and fast car, how come gm is ending production? If it was a good car, why not keep making it? well i know the asnwer, its because camaros suck!!!You dont see ford pulling the mustang from production do u??The 2003 cobra will kick the living shit out of any piece of shit camaro
     
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    <b>I have a question for the chevy guys out there. If the camaro was such a cool and fast car, how come gm is ending production? If it was a good car, why not keep making it? well i know the asnwer, its because camaros suck!!!You dont see ford pulling the mustang from production do u??The 2003 cobra will kick the living shit out of any piece of shit camaro</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ford won't get rid of it becuase people like you keep it in production. Don't lie about a 428 cobra jet, if that's what your name implies...cuz the Mustang is around becuase of it's V6 model not this one. Go check out your trailor park, the most common car out there is the V6 version of this. You wanted to talk ignorant shit, well I'm talking shit back to you!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Dude, chill out, im not tryin to start shit with u.Correct me if im wrong but as far as i know chevy also makes a v6 camaro. How come people dont go out and buy that. I agree with u taht ford should put a bigger engine in the mustang and for '04 they will. I like the older mustangs from teh 60's and early 70's, those were the true muscle cars.i just dont get why u say that the only reason people buy mustangs is becasue of the v6. In some ways it is true that people buy mustang cuz of the v6 but why dont people go out and buy the v6 camaro??and my id does stand for cobra jet cuz its a badass engine.they are very fast
     
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    <b>Dude, chill out, im not tryin to start shit with u.Correct me if im wrong but as far as i know chevy also makes a v6 camaro. How come people dont go out and buy that. I agree with u taht ford should put a bigger engine in the mustang and for '04 they will. I like the older mustangs from teh 60's and early 70's, those were the true muscle cars.i just dont get why u say that the only reason people buy mustangs is becasue of the v6. In some ways it is true that people buy mustang cuz of the v6 but why dont people go out and buy the v6 camaro??and my id does stand for cobra jet cuz its a badass engine.they are very fast</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    That's all fine, and I knew it about your name, anyway, just like you guys I'm defending my car, so naturally when people talk shit I talk shit back. But the reason why the Mustang was so successful in sales is becuase of the V6. GM boys know better, ford women don't. If a GM boy's woman goes out and gets a V6 camaro then she's no longer his woman! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> I'm not saying the V6 is the only reason people buy the Mustang, I'm saying the V6 is what made it's sales so successful. And Mustang boys, that's really nothing to brag about! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I'll tell you whats to brag about ford selling lots of v-6 mustnags...THEIR STILL AROUND!! That means that the people who want a v-8 stang will still be able to buy one. Maybe if the camaro could have sold some v-6 models (any model really), they might still be around. I'm not saying that I like v-6 stangs or camaros, but if it keeps my favorite car alive then what the hell, I hope they keep selling millions of them. As far as camaro women leaving a guy with a v-6 camaro theirs a simple reason for that. Women like style more than power in a car, so when he brings a v-6 camaro home he has nothing really, no style or power. Where as a v-6 stang at least has the style left in it.
     
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    OK, I noticed someone in this board and couldn't resist replying. I only read a few of the first and last pages, but could no longer take hearing all the BS. What's the deal with the V6 junk that American car manufactures are making (let alone the V8's)? I mean, the Mustang V6 5spd runs the 1/4 in what, a high 15? I can get a V6 powered automatic Accord to do that much, and be 50 times more reliable and last about 200,000 miles more and still have a higher resale and look better. Let's not mention the TypeS CL and TL, or the new Nissan Altima, ok. TypeS or TypeR RSX/Integra would humiliate these cars (both Camaro V6 and Mustang V6) with 1/3 the engine, hell they are all but keeping up with a GT with a little 4cyl! And don't break out Cobra this and Cobra that, then I'll just hit ya with the NSX and S2000. S2000 would humiliate a Cobra on the track, and the NSX..... well Ford doesn't even have an exotic to compete with it. Where is the styling in the Mustang? There is none. They are trying so hard to copy off anything foreign, and it's not working well. They even have black housing headlights now, which Jap car makers have been using for years now. What's up with the fake hood scoop?? Then you get to the V8 powered cars. Ford can't make a DOHC engine to save their lives, and Chevy needs to get out of the 50's with the pushrod single cam V8. All this talk about this new SVT will do this and that and blah blah blah. Didn't this same type of shit talking happen when that CobraR (R? hhmmm, did someone take that from the Japs again?) came out? The Mustang will NEVER compete with a Corvette or Viper though, I will say that. When I see Mustangs in LeMans races with Vette and Viper, then I will applaud you on competition with the Vette. And don't sit there and tell me that Saleen is in it, that car is no where near a Mustang. Final note to the guy that says the Vette has been copying the NSX since 1953, in his signature. Since when was the Vette a hand built all aluminum, mid-engine V6 powered, exotic car that runs 12.9 @ 110mph in the quarter stock NA? Honda did their own thing with the NSX, so don't think so highly of the Corvette that you would actually think Honda would copy anything from it. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    To Many Retards Dont Know How to Compair Cars Correctly

    Thats Why We have Classes... Start From Bottum

    V6 Camaro 200hp
    V6 Mustang 200hp

    Winner Camaro If Both Same Types Must be Coupes 5 Speeds

    V8 281 Gt Mustang about 260 hp
    V8 350 Z28 Camaro 305 hp

    Winner Camaro Once again Must be same spec

    Old V8 Cobra 320 hp
    V8 SS Camaro 325 hp

    Winner Camaro

    New Cobra 390Hp
    New CamaroSS 325 hp
    New Corvette 345 Hp

    Winner Cobra\

    Now lets Get this part Straight At this Point Below are Cars Modified.

    Corvette Z06 405 hp
    Saleen S351 495 Hp
    Steeda Gt 437 Hp

    Winner Saleen S351

    OK Before You Reply And say Well Lingenfelter or Callaway REMEMBER this These Cars Can ALL BE Bought at the Dealership!!! FOrd Or Chevy
    SO these are considerd STock mods I dont Own aFord or chevy I Own a Gto From Japan . So my im not a ford or chevy fanatic . im just stating facts
     
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    <b>Dude, chill out, im not tryin to start shit with u.Correct me if im wrong but as far as i know chevy also makes a v6 camaro. How come people dont go out and buy that. I agree with u taht ford should put a bigger engine in the mustang and for '04 they will. I like the older mustangs from teh 60's and early 70's, those were the true muscle cars.i just dont get why u say that the only reason people buy mustangs is becasue of the v6. In some ways it is true that people buy mustang cuz of the v6 but why dont people go out and buy the v6 camaro??and my id does stand for cobra jet cuz its a badass engine.they are very fast</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    That's all fine, and I knew it about your name, anyway, just like you guys I'm defending my car, so naturally when people talk shit I talk shit back. But the reason why the Mustang was so successful in sales is becuase of the V6. GM boys know better, ford women don't. If a GM boy's woman goes out and gets a V6 camaro then she's no longer his woman! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> I'm not saying the V6 is the only reason people buy the Mustang, I'm saying the V6 is what made it's sales so successful. And Mustang boys, that's really nothing to brag about! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I'll tell you whats to brag about ford selling lots of v-6 mustnags...THEIR STILL AROUND!! That means that the people who want a v-8 stang will still be able to buy one. Maybe if the camaro could have sold some v-6 models (any model really), they might still be around. I'm not saying that I like v-6 stangs or camaros, but if it keeps my favorite car alive then what the hell, I hope they keep selling millions of them. As far as camaro women leaving a guy with a v-6 camaro theirs a simple reason for that. Women like style more than power in a car, so when he brings a v-6 camaro home he has nothing really, no style or power. Where as a v-6 stang at least has the style left in it.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    American HP come on now! You know I like you man, so calm down. I hate the both V6's and as far as styling goes it's a matter of preference. I was just saying that shit earlier as a joke. You may think the Mustang has style but I don't, but again that's your preference. I think the looks is dull, you might not, you think Camaros have a dull look, again that's just preference. I do hope however when the new Stang comes out it looks like the first Gen Mustangs and not this. I think this look is getting old, especially since you can turn a corner without seeing one. <!-- Signature -->
     
  18. #193 FORD4EVR, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from accordsirh22a</i>
    <b>OK, I noticed someone in this board and couldn't resist replying. I only read a few of the first and last pages, but could no longer take hearing all the BS. What's the deal with the V6 junk that American car manufactures are making (let alone the V8's)? I mean, the Mustang V6 5spd runs the 1/4 in what, a high 15? I can get a V6 powered automatic Accord to do that much, and be 50 times more reliable and last about 200,000 miles more and still have a higher resale and look better. Let's not mention the TypeS CL and TL, or the new Nissan Altima, ok. TypeS or TypeR RSX/Integra would humiliate these cars (both Camaro V6 and Mustang V6) with 1/3 the engine, hell they are all but keeping up with a GT with a little 4cyl! And don't break out Cobra this and Cobra that, then I'll just hit ya with the NSX and S2000. S2000 would humiliate a Cobra on the track, and the NSX..... well Ford doesn't even have an exotic to compete with it. Where is the styling in the Mustang? There is none. They are trying so hard to copy off anything foreign, and it's not working well. They even have black housing headlights now, which Jap car makers have been using for years now. What's up with the fake hood scoop?? Then you get to the V8 powered cars. Ford can't make a DOHC engine to save their lives, and Chevy needs to get out of the 50's with the pushrod single cam V8. All this talk about this new SVT will do this and that and blah blah blah. Didn't this same type of shit talking happen when that CobraR (R? hhmmm, did someone take that from the Japs again?) came out? The Mustang will NEVER compete with a Corvette or Viper though, I will say that. When I see Mustangs in LeMans races with Vette and Viper, then I will applaud you on competition with the Vette. And don't sit there and tell me that Saleen is in it, that car is no where near a Mustang. Final note to the guy that says the Vette has been copying the NSX since 1953, in his signature. Since when was the Vette a hand built all aluminum, mid-engine V6 powered, exotic car that runs 12.9 @ 110mph in the quarter stock NA? Honda did their own thing with the NSX, so don't think so highly of the Corvette that you would actually think Honda would copy anything from it. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    And what the hell is this crap about an NSX running 12s in the quarter mile??? The fastest I've heard the thing run is a 13.17, in Popular Mechanics drag test ( http://popularmechanics.mondosearch.com/cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=26854748&EXTRA_ARG=&CFGNAME=MssFind%2Ecfg&host_id=1&page_id=5023&query=acura+nsx&hiword=ACURA+NSX+ACURAS+)
    . I respect the car and all, but c'mon now.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Hey accord guy, go back to your jap forums, your not wanted in here. The '03 cobra would kick the shit out of your precious s2000, both on the track and on the strip. dont start coming in here and saying that jap cars r better then american. dont u think its kinda pathetic taht a mustang will beat the nsx on the strip and probably on the track and it cost 50k cheaper. ford 4 ever!
     
  20. #195 Grey_Runner, Aug 9, 2002
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    Get this, from www.edmunds.com. I love the last line.

    What's special about it?
    Municipalities wanting to pad their coffers with extra speeding tickets take note: For 2003, Ford will offer the 390-hp SVT Mustang Cobra, one of the fastest production Mustangs ever to hit a dealership.

    Sorry, Camaro fans, but there is no typographical error here. This is a modern, feature-laden and smog-legal Mustang making 390 hp at 6,000 rpm and 390 lb-ft of torque at 3,500 rpm. These numbers are possible thanks to the work of SVT, Ford's in-house tuning division.

    Though the '03 Cobra has a 4.6-liter DOHC 32-valve V8 like previous Cobras, most of the components are different. SVT has bolted on an Eaton Roots-type supercharger, a water-to-air intercooler, new aluminum cylinder heads and revised intake manifolds. To help bolster the engine, the block is iron, not aluminum, and stronger pistons and connecting rods have been fitted. Other changes include an aluminum flywheel and a stronger clutch. A six-speed manual transmission and an aluminum driveshaft transfer the engine's power to the rear wheels.

    The SVT Mustang Cobra's independent rear suspension receives upgraded bushings and an additional tubular cross brace for 2003. In a departure from past practice, the coupe and convertible receive their own individual suspension tuning to suit their body characteristics. Compared an '01 Cobra, the coupe has stiffer springs, firmer Bilstein dampers and a thicker front antiroll bar. The five-spoke aluminum wheels are a new design and measure 17x9 inches. They are fitted with 275/40ZR17 Goodyear Eagle F1 tires. Even the rack-and-pinion steering system has been modified in the hopes of improving steering feel and reducing play.

    To identify an '03 Cobra, look for the new front fascia, the reverse hood scoops, reshaped rocker panels and integrated rear spoiler with an LED third brake light. Convertibles have a new higher-quality top. Inside, the Cobra has new bucket seats, Nudo leather (not to be confused with Menudo), suede inserts and racer-style metal pedals.

    Why should you care?
    Hot rodders have been supercharging the current Mustang with great success (the Saleen 281, for example). Now Ford has gone the supercharger route with the '03 Cobra. One big advantage is that it's backed by a factory warranty, something the rare 385-hp 2000 SVT Cobra R lacked. The '03 should also be cheaper (around $35,000) and much easier to get a hold of than one of the 300 or so '00 Cobra Rs sold. About the only concern is weight; the coupe weighs 3,665 pounds, and the convertible is 3,780 pounds.

    But where else are you going to go for this much power? General Motors has ended production of the Camaro and Firebird for 2003 and offered no concrete information as to when they might return. Ford, meanwhile, has whipped up its fastest Cobra ever. The pony car war is over. Ford won. — Brent Romans
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    Does anyone know exactly when ford is releasing the new '03 cobra?What ive heard is that its sometime this spring but its not specific about the date. This car is a monster. It will be a good year for ford. The gt40 is comin out and the '03 cobra will be on the streets kickin camaros ass.
     
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    <b>Does anyone know exactly when ford is releasing the new '03 cobra?What ive heard is that its sometime this spring but its not specific about the date. This car is a monster. It will be a good year for ford. The gt40 is comin out and the '03 cobra will be on the streets kickin camaros ass.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The 'Job 1' Build date supposedly is May 6th, so we should see these bad boys hitting the streets sometime in late May/early June. Just in time for the track season. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    A lot of guys are angry here 'cos they know this will kick a lot of vettes on streets for much...much less than they paid...<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>A lot of guys are angry here 'cos they know this will kick a lot of vettes on streets for much...much less than they paid...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oops ! and I forgot to say.... This is KICKING the '03 Vette !!

    Happy 50th birthday, vette !!!

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    <b>A lot of guys are angry here 'cos they know this will kick a lot of vettes on streets for much...much less than they paid...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oops ! and I forgot to say.... This is KICKING the '03 Vette !!

    Happy 50th birthday, vette !!!

    I hope you remember this date for years !!! LOL !</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> WHOA there kid!! You have a lot of guts thinking that the cobra will ever be in the same class as the vette. sure it has more hp, but weighs a ton in comparison. The 03 vette of which you speak, is a coupe. Not (mind you) the Z06. In fact, given the weight and weight distribution of the two, id say even a stock coupe would take out a new cobra. Nobody can say for sure intil the match is don, but that is just my opinion based on hard facts. Im not doggin the new cobra. in fact id say its nice to have a car with so much hp for less. But trying to put it down by saying its a POS for 03 is devine ignorance on your part. Sure the mustang is a legend, but the vette was a legacy way before the first mustang concept was even thought of. being in buisness for half a centry.......now thats a tru legend.
    P.S. If i hurt your feelings concerning anything you have said before.....cry a river......build a bridge......and get over it.
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