Re: For all you Skyline enthusiasts! Here's an F-body to go aga

Discussion in '2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept' started by bigvic, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. I would love to read about this car, but damn it, I cant see shit on that web site!!!
     
  2. ***** ***** *****
     
  3. One thing I have to say about this, the reason for the big engine . . . lots of torque. We, Americans, like lots of torque . . . torque gets wherever you want to go faster. Don't bash that because it is a fact. That is the reason all the old American Muscle Cars ran fast 1/4 because of the torque, even though they are heavy as hell and may not have the highest horsepower, but they made an insane amount of torque. You have to have horsepower and torque for a car to go fast. Also, talking about making power, take a top fuel dragster and tell me that those don't make insane horsepower . . . 6400+HP. Just watch any road race too, and see if there are any Corvettes or anything, the torque their engine makes them faster, plus they can take a corner. Example: Corvette C5-R and anyother race that they have Corvette racing like that. Watched one on TV and the 'Vette dominated cuz it got out of the corners faster. If you think your Skyline, is so fast . . . just take the new 427TT Corvette, tweak it alittle and your Skyline won't touch it. 0-60mph - 1.97 seconds by Motor Trend and I have heard as low as 1.6. Plus that car looks bad ass. Long live American Muscle . . . and other cars that deserve respect, not rice.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. What about the gears. I heard one guy I think, talk about the importance of the gears. I mean If you have a 1000+ hp car, the gear setup is crucial. If the gears are too close you get good acceleration and low top speed. The reverse is right for when the gears are spaced too much, so what is everyone hooked on horsepower. I agree with the person that replied before me, hp is nothing without handling or a good set up engine.
    I like the camaro's new design and hoped it would come about, but the era of the camaro is coming to an end.
    R.I.P. 1969-2004 (I believe) correct me if I'm wrong.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. your wrong the camaro went from 1967 to 2002 and is not resting in peace it is merely taking a nap for a couple years the alarm clock is set for 2004 or 2005 when it is comming back <!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Hey abigdog I've heard of the 427tt getting as low as 1.4sec. on the 0-60 run.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. Yip.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. a skyline will never touch this! first it hasn't got the same displacement and second it hasn't got the same quality of manufacturing.
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 426 Hemistage 8</i>
    <b>a skyline will never touch this! first it hasn't got the same displacement and second it hasn't got the same quality of manufacturing.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I can't agree more.

    The reason they went with quad turbo is because of turbo reliability. Rather then boost 40lbs out of two twins for a total of 80lbs, boost only 20lbs each from 4 turbos.

    If this guy is serious this things going to make well over 4000rwhp.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. japanese car aren't recongnized for their solidity and their reliabilty. Their computer technowizardry is unreliable.
     
  11. #11 I AM GOD, Aug 9, 2002
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  12. It could never run anywhere near that time on street tires. So in the real world its more like a 8 second car. And with quad turbo huge engine, Id hope it could match a sub 3 liter twin turbo engine of a skyline.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from NinjaAssaultSquadElite</i>
    <b>It could never run anywhere near that time on street tires. So in the real world its more like a 8 second car. And with quad turbo huge engine, Id hope it could match a sub 3 liter twin turbo engine of a skyline.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Thank god you said that....nobody is understanding my point...

    People keep talking about their 454CI engine makeing alot of HP that is good and I believe that they can make alot of HP...

    but people dont understand that yes, they make alor of HP but if you compare a 1200 HP skyline and a 4 turbo comaro together ....well you can't compare them.. becuase if one car makes the HP from 2.6L and only makes it from like 8L that isn't fair...and for a car to run the same time with 1/4 the displacement that dosen't say alot about the bigger displacement engine.
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ferrari4ever123</i>
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    <b>It could never run anywhere near that time on street tires. So in the real world its more like a 8 second car. And with quad turbo huge engine, Id hope it could match a sub 3 liter twin turbo engine of a skyline.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Thank god you said that....nobody is understanding my point...

    People keep talking about their 454CI engine makeing alot of HP that is good and I believe that they can make alot of HP...

    but people dont understand that yes, they make alor of HP but if you compare a 1200 HP skyline and a 4 turbo comaro together ....well you can't compare them.. becuase if one car makes the HP from 2.6L and only makes it from like 8L that isn't fair...and for a car to run the same time with 1/4 the displacement that dosen't say alot about the bigger displacement engine.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    It's not my point! I love skylines, but I just think this is a badass car, The webpage needs to be updated, cuz I think they ran it in the fall! I'm just saying all the time people point out 1200hp skylines and Supras, but we can do it too that's all. Not saying it's so much better or it'll whip it's ass, just pointing out that people do the same with American Cars too! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  15. Anyone that jsut mentions liters and so forth is plain stupid. When it comes down to boost liters dont mean shit. Also in real life it does run fives otherwise he wouldnt have said it so that statement was pretty stupid and useless. Also BTW for your info on furure posts stock psi comin into any car is 15psi of air pressure. So ifyou take a car that has 3.0 L and add another 15psi then you actually make your car think it is 6.0 Liter. Not to mention you have to take into account the gearing which is superb on the supra and the flow of the engine and turbo increase ur CFM and you increase your HP.

    Also show me a Supra that can run better then 8's on track or street and I will say its better but since I know the best run of a surpa is in the 8 sec range you can. on the street that will equate out to 9 to 10 secs not to mention you probly have an all drag supra. nuff said!
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 30210psiAC</i>
    <b>Anyone that jsut mentions liters and so forth is plain stupid. When it comes down to boost liters dont mean shit. Also in real life it does run fives otherwise he wouldnt have said it so that statement was pretty stupid and useless. Also BTW for your info on furure posts stock psi comin into any car is 15psi of air pressure. So ifyou take a car that has 3.0 L and add another 15psi then you actually make your car think it is 6.0 Liter. Not to mention you have to take into account the gearing which is superb on the supra and the flow of the engine and turbo increase ur CFM and you increase your HP.

    Also show me a Supra that can run better then 8's on track or street and I will say its better but since I know the best run of a surpa is in the 8 sec range you can. on the street that will equate out to 9 to 10 secs not to mention you probly have an all drag supra. nuff said! </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    I agree.

    Its funny how people bash the OHV LS1 pushrod saying its low tech big heavy engine , Yet it gets better gas mileage than some quite smaller european 6 cylinder engines, and people forget that the LS1 is a Cast Aluminum engine and its Pushrod design makes the 5.7L GM engine relatively light. <!-- Signature -->
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ferrari4ever123</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from NinjaAssaultSquadElite</i>
    <b>It could never run anywhere near that time on street tires. So in the real world its more like a 8 second car. And with quad turbo huge engine, Id hope it could match a sub 3 liter twin turbo engine of a skyline.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Thank god you said that....nobody is understanding my point...

    People keep talking about their 454CI engine makeing alot of HP that is good and I believe that they can make alot of HP...

    but people dont understand that yes, they make alor of HP but if you compare a 1200 HP skyline and a 4 turbo comaro together ....well you can't compare them.. becuase if one car makes the HP from 2.6L and only makes it from like 8L that isn't fair...and for a car to run the same time with 1/4 the displacement that dosen't say alot about the bigger displacement engine.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Bt what happens when America puts a turbo on a small displacement engine? Oh wait, they did! Its called the Buick GN. In 1986 and 1987: 3.8L turbo that pulled 13's in the 1/4 (faster than the Vette at that time). Not too bad for a car that now sells for about 10k.
     
  18. #18 deuginthesky, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b> Check out the link, I think you'll be amazed! Oh yeah did I mention it'll run 5's in the quarter mile! Better yet.....IT'S STREET LEGAL

    http://members.fortunecity.com/hoonau2001/realsite/tech_tips/qtv81.html </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    No test in the article , how do you know it'll run 5s ??

    It's a pro drag time , I don't believe you AT ALL.
     
  19. making 1000hp with a sub three litre is impressive but c'mon, a bmw 1.5l made 1300hp, big deal, personally i think people are biting them selves too hard taking into acount that 1000hp+- isnt sh!t when you get down to reality. take a top fuel funny car or something, wanna guess what the average hp is in that? yeah i know it cant take a corner but what i'm trying to say is respect the individual engine for what it is, don't put down everyone elses so u'l feel better.


    proud f-body owner.
     
  20. This is a drag-car to the fullest and will NOT be driven on the street. Don't even think about it. 3000HP is not reliable to trust on the road!!! The car will never use tires smaller than 30" drag slicks so don't even think about putting street tires on it. You will probably kill yourself. It would do burnouts without pushing the gas..and im not kidding, you would not be able to stop it. Insane power...<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Lawodevolution</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 426 Hemistage 8</i>
    <b>a skyline will never touch this! first it hasn't got the same displacement and second it hasn't got the same quality of manufacturing.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I can't agree more.

    The reason they went with quad turbo is because of turbo reliability. Rather then boost 40lbs out of two twins for a total of 80lbs, boost only 20lbs each from 4 turbos.

    If this guy is serious this things going to make well over 4000rwhp.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    ...riiiigt.
    Looks like I have to provide more schooling to Law*. 20lbs of boost at the intake plenum means 20 pounds at your compressor outlet regardless if you're running 1 turbine or 8. The difference is CFM...that is if you're plenum flow charateristics are designed for it.
    On build quality, Japanese engines overall last longer than their American counterparts. This has everything to do with design characteristics. Japanese engines are designed to run under extremely harsh running conditions (ever sit in Tokyo traffic...think of a daily New York city traffic jam times two.) American engines are designed with reliability focused on U.S. driving. More open roads, higher average speeds, etc. As a point, a Japanese consumer magazine (Japan New Car) did road tests on 10 different '01 vehicles of similar classes (March/Focus, SkylineGTS/V6Mustang etc.) from Ford and Chevy, Nissan and Toyota, the average American engine was good for a little over 75,000km before requiring a rebuild to pass emissions. The average Japanese engine ran for over 112,000km before requiring the same rebuild.
    That car won't make 4000RWHP unless he's running Nitro (and all the engine work that requires). Normal gasoline (or even 110+ octane) doesn't have the specific energy in this application to make that much power before detonation. Nice try though.
    ...and as for the ZL1, 770bhp and only a 10.4? Motorex is doing that in an R33 with only 620+bhp and only 19lbs of boost. Oh yeah...on Pirelli P-Zero's, and it's registered for driving on the streets of L.A. These are guys that have been working on the RB26DETT for 4 years. How long has Chevy been workin' on theirs? Ahhh, the wonders of variable 4WD and a strong block.
     
  22. i smash any jap crap with my uncle's 69 hemi charger r/t and so do i if you give me a such car to drive.
     
  23. Be realistic please.
     
  24. oh deug c toi qui est pas realiste. tu vas pas me dire qu'un jap crap va battre un muscle car? arrete de rever.

    allez a +
     
  25. the boss will kill any jap crap on any drag race so you jap crap fans shut it up!
     

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