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Discussion in '2001 HSV VX2 XU6' started by Foro, Aug 9, 2002.
His facts are old. much older than any stats released officially. so he's just going on estimates.
VL had the nissan engines
The 6 was a Nissan RB block (same block as Skyline), an RB30 I think.
Yep its RB30, and the V8 was by Holden...correction, the V8 was thrown together from across the room by Holden.
You really should ask your questions more clearly
I'd say 3/4 of VL's in my mags are 3L Turbo and the rest V8...and sometimes a rare V8 with SS group A manifold.
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I think you'll find HSV held off the upgrades because of the 7.0ltr coupe development and waiting to see the reaction and power of FPV new range. We'll most likely see higher upgrades in the Y series II. Which means better packages for both FPV and HSV consumers <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
if this is anything like fords other turbo 6 engines, its a pos. the stock 4.0L v6 is a truck engine, its not designed to have lots of boost if any. kinda like their 3.8L supercharged V6s from the 90s. those are crap. the GenIII 3800 V6 is a better engine period. the SC'd version will have no problems pushing 300-400hp and a nearly equal amount of torque. plus, you Aussies have the RWD version. those #s are for fwd american 4dr sedans. lucky guys i suppose. basically, i'd take an XU6 any day of the week. but the Ford 4L turbo6 has yet to prove itself, dont be surprised if it sucks. ford is better with superchargers.
You have ansolutely no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, the Falcon engine is a straight 6. Secondly, the engine HAS proven itself, many Australian publications have driven the XR6T and immediately fell in love. Even the most hardened Holden enthusiast should be able to admit that the XR6T is WAY better than the XU6. The only thing that Holdens have had over Ford IMO is straight line performance. With 60kW more power, the Ford demolishes the XU6. Not to mention the fact that HSV don't make it any more.
Yep I'll second all of that
truck engine?? why are all the ford engines truck engines?? where the hell does it say that the all new 4.0 litre engines are truck engines?? the fact that they are now made to be more reliable and going to be more fuel efficient than their less powerful engine's is a bad thing. how's putting a small upgrade for the turbo bad, when the non-turbo is actually a bit quicker than the V6 s/c at holden (atm not in a few years)
I appreciate that. I think we need to put our collected forces together towards getting rid of dumbasses. Some people just suck.
According to wheels the S/C V6 is quicker than the Ford I6 by half a second to 100 and .4 of a second over 400m.
"You have ansolutely no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, the Falcon engine is a straight 6. Secondly, the engine HAS proven itself, many Australian publications have driven the XR6T and immediately fell in love. Even the most hardened Holden enthusiast should be able to admit that the XR6T is WAY better than the XU6. The only thing that Holdens have had over Ford IMO is straight line performance. With 60kW more power, the Ford demolishes the XU6. Not to mention the fact that HSV don't make it any more."
BaRRA- i read that the 4L 6cyl was a V6, not an inline, if it is an inline then fine. my mistake. as far as power potential, the 3800SC in the XU6 has its fair share of potential. the FWD versions in the US are running 12s like childsplay now, thats on a motor thats been around for over 30years because its reliable and makes good power for msot applications. as far as 6cyl engine, GM is coming out w/ a turbo version of the Vortec 4200 I6, it should make 350ish HP/ 270kW on half a bar/ 7lbs. of boost. perhaps you Aussies should ask ford and GM to send their turbo engines down under. you'd change your tune once you ride in an LC2 equipped car :-D real quick.
Oh this is very interesting to hear just as I was trying to explain the potential of the 3800 engine to that Benzy guy...who didnt believe me.
anyone who doubts the power of the 3800 series engines needs to come to the States and see what we're doin' and have been doing with them. what kind of aftermarket for the 3800SCs do you Aussies get??? hopefully not as limited as the American market for them is, but its expanding fast, you blokes are lucky, the 3800SCs here are a FWD version and a PITA to transfer to any other RWD car except for a rwd v6 camaro.
Umm there is not a lot compared to what is offered for the Holden V8, however there is various cam/chip/exhaust packages which can get around 200kw or something. CAPA in Sydney ( http://www.capa.com.au) offer some supercharger kits which can get around 250kw depending on the setup, and there is a company that is currently developing a stroker kit for the sequential injected engine.
Why is a new Ford model being compared to a model that came out over 5 years ago?
Go back and look at what Ford had 5 years ago
The Foulcan at the time was the AU which wasnt exactly well recieved.
Back to reality People.
This Model although 5 years Old is Still the only Factory Forced Induction Car that Holden has to date, therefore it is the Direct competitor to the XR6-T...
Look at the Power ratings, they speak for themselves.
SuperCharged Ecotech Holden V6 = 180Kw
Ford Barra 240T = 240Kw
Most magazines are Rating the XR6T as the V-8 Beater, I haven't read anything like that about this model..
Whilst the 2 cars have forced induction, they are both completely different types. The Supercharger on the Holden is the roots type which is designed for low down torque rather than high power. There are many supercharged commodores using the more common type of supercharger, making well over 200kw.
For the record, these cars were able to toast stock Holden 5L's aswell as Fords 5L's.
Maybe you need to read some older magazines.
is is just a plain fact that the xr6t is quicker but u gotta remember that the xu6 is 5 years older then the xr6t