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Discussion in '2000 Honda S2000' started by rthompson, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <center><hr width=90%></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Guibo</i>
    <b><center><hr width=90%></center><blockquote><i>Quote from jolts2k</i>
    <b>The Z3 competes with the miata, the M Roadster competes with the s2000 and only beats it in 0-60mph. Nothing else. On the track the s2000 will beat an M Roadster.</b></blockquote><center><hr width=90%></center>
    Not so. The M Roadster hits 100 mph in 12.3 seconds and does the quarter mile in 13.6 @ 103.4 It tops out at a governor limited 155 mph. It brakes from 60 mph in 118 ft, from 80 in 211. It also pulls .91g. The S2000 takes 14.2 seconds to get to 100 and does the quarter mile in 14.1 @ 99.6 mph. Drag limited, it tops out at 150 mph. From 60 mph, it takes takes 123 feet, from 80 216 ft. It pulls .90g. The M roadster hits 60 in 5.1 seconds, the S2000 in 5.5. The M Roadster even gets better gas mileage, 19.6 vs 18.5.

    By tests done in a German magazine, the M Roadster creams the S2000 around both the Nurburgring and Hockenheim. The Z3 3.0i Coupe with 225 hp also beats the S2000. In case you can't recall, the Z3 3.0i has the same 225-hp engine. You're right, the S2000 beats the old Z3 Roadster 2.8. But not the Z3 3.0i. Please get your facts straight before you defame other cars.</b></blockquote><center><hr width=90%></center>
    The first part of ur post is rite, but the second part, no no. According to Motortrend, Road and Track, Car and Driver and Motorweek, S2000 creams the Z3 3.0i and Porsche Boxster S by a little bit. And S2000 costs way less to, like some people are saying, bang for the buck. I guess German has different climate, so the S2000 lost to the Z3 in ur German magazine.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. In individual performance stats the S2000 comes out ahead. On the track, however, there are more vehicle dynamics that come into play. A car that can string these individual performance limits together seemlessly can often get a better lap time than a car with outright superior individual performance numbers. In any event, the only time a 3.0i has been track tested is in the German motor magazine SportAuto, where its track times were quicker around both Nurburgring and Hockenheim than the S2000, with phenonemal cornering speeds. It's almost as fast as the M Roadster.
     
  3. wut tha hell u fu*ckin homo u cant compare those two cars..fu*ckin retard...hook this car up and it well dip on any of ur lil german pieces of shit...<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. You idiot retards, race a $50,000 m3 with a $35,000 S2000 and the M3 will bearly beats it, ok put a $300 intake in the honda and it will beat the m3, or you can smoke the M3 by putting a $2,000 supercharger on the S2000, My modified S2000 with 340HP will kick all your #$%#en homo german, english, french cars, beemers and all that shit. And I only spent less than $15 thou on it. If i was going to do the same thing to my friends M3 it would take more than $60 grand.
    and talk about the looks
    THIS CAR IS THE SHIT!<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. Some of you guys are complete idiots. Why in the hell are you comparing a s2000 to mustangs, vettes, camaros and the like. OK, first off, the s2000 is supposed to be economical(gas), and fun to drive(which it is, i've driven my friends mugen s2000 and its very nice), it's a small sports coupe. So why are you comparing it to muscle cars. Mustangs and Camaros are designeds to be cheap, and to be fast in a straight line. They're drag cars. Then a corvette is a high performance sports car, common, comparing vettes and s2000's? they're designed with completely different purposes in mind. Geeze, you guys are trying to compare an apple and an orange and trying to see whats better.
     
  6. I agree with you entirely, Josh6474. Tose cars are not comparable. I think that because these cars are in the same price range, some people think that that puts them in the same category. they are not. a private plane may cost the same as a formula one car, but they are not in the same category. the s2ooo, like most other japanese sports cars, was made to be small, light, nimble, and get the most amount of power from a small, light engine. the mustang or corvette were made to be fast, fast, fast w/ little attention paid to the size or weight of the car - they have monstrous engines because the automaker was not worried about making the most out of a tiny engine. apples. oranges.
     
  7. #107 Guibo, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MAXUS</i>
    <b>You idiot retards, race a $50,000 m3 with a $35,000 S2000 and the M3 will bearly beats it.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Barely? The M3 is 17 seconds quicker at Nurburgring than the S2000. and over a second quicker on the much shorter Hockenheimring club circuit. Maybe with 3 other passengers on board, the M3 "barely" beats it. Good luck getting 3 other passengers into the S2000.

    Some more stats, from a German auto magazine:
    M3/S2000
    0-200 kmh: 18.1 seconds/24.5
    80-120 kmh in 4th gear: 5.2/7.2

    By MT's stats for the Comptech Supercharged S2000, it's hardly a convincing victory over the Bimmer: 13.4 seconds to the quarter mile vs 13.3 for the M3 (by R&T's stats).
    And doesn't the supercharger cost nore than twice as much as what you claim, with a retail price of $4,895? And I think your claim of $60K to convert your buddy's M3 is also ludicrous, considering this conversion for a similarly-engined M Coupe (with even tighter space under the hood than an M3) costs only half as much and includes suspenion, brake, clutch, exhaust, and limited-slip mods INCLUDING labor and shipping, to and from the facility:
    http://www.activeautowerke.com/turbo/OBD2-MZ3Turbo.asp

    That one gets 430 hp at the crank.

    Now compare the torque/hp curves for the supercharged S2000 and compare it to a non-turbo'ed M coupe and you can see which one most likely delivers better everyday drivability (look at torque curves, not just outright bhp).
     
  8. yur garbage you lil b*tch!

    this car is a dream of coarse the 911 will burn this car its a 6 cylinder turbo car #$%# face !!! why cant some of theses people ever think butt ay ways this caris raw as #$%# most cars cant evan hadle it and let me see a domestic tr this car hahaha domestics suck!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. i can kick ur smelly ass! w/ my s2000
    look at the torque u foo!!
     
  10. Re: yur garbage you lil b*tch!

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from JDMViCsr20</i>
    <b>this car is a dream of coarse the 911 will burn this car its a 6 cylinder turbo car #$%# face !!! why cant some of theses people ever think butt ay ways this caris raw as #$%# most cars cant evan hadle it and let me see a domestic tr this car hahaha domestics suck!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    "rx-7 vs Supra $17, integra type R vs celica GTS $15, watching a civic burn a corvette priceless!!!"

    So far I've challenged at least a dozen Honda Civics in my Corvette. I don't just pick any Civic, I pick the ones that are making a statement. You know those Civics that have big stickers, big ass spoiler, and a fart-can on the exhaust. Anyway, only 3 of them have even bothered to try and none of them were even close! They had all this money put into their Civics, and my Corvette is completely stock.

    Honda Civics are full of "net-speed." By net speed I mean you hear all about these fast Hondas only on the internet. "My Honda has 600 Horse Power" "My honda does 9s in the 1/4 mile" I had some kid on AOL try to say his Civic did 9.98 seconds in the 1/4 mile at 107mph. Yes, that right, 9s in the 1/4 mile and only 107mph trap speed? I laughed so hard when he said that.

    Anyway, my point is if a Honda could really beat a Corvette that would be priceless. However, this is the real world so keep dreaming. <!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Re: yur garbage you lil b*tch!

    Lol...wow hotshot, picking on 20000 civics with your 50000 corvette. Corvettes are big pieces of shit. Only 350 HP from 5.7 Liters. That is pitiful. My civic Si stock makes 160 out of a 1.6 Liter and with my vortech turbocharger and tenko r catback, I get 290 Hp. I haven't tested the quarter mile yet, but i hit 60 in 5.1 seconds. I could probably do better, but i just got my license so i got to practice a bit more. I spend a total of 25000 on the car and the mods. Haha, you just wasted 50000. The next non Z06 corvette i burn will be for YOU buddy!<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">


    PS - your right, it is priceless.
     
  12. #112 Honda rulez, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Guibo</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MAXUS</i>
    <b>You idiot retards, race a $50,000 m3 with a $35,000 S2000 and the M3 will bearly beats it.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Barely? The M3 is 17 seconds quicker at Nurburgring than the S2000. and over a second quicker on the much shorter Hockenheimring club circuit. Maybe with 3 other passengers on board, the M3 "barely" beats it. Good luck getting 3 other passengers into the S2000.

    Some more stats, from a German auto magazine:
    M3/S2000
    0-200 kmh: 18.1 seconds/24.5
    80-120 kmh in 4th gear: 5.2/7.2

    By MT's stats for the Comptech Supercharged S2000, it's hardly a convincing victory over the Bimmer: 13.4 seconds to the quarter mile vs 13.3 for the M3 (by R&T's stats).
    And doesn't the supercharger cost nore than twice as much as what you claim, with a retail price of $4,895? And I think your claim of $60K to convert your buddy's M3 is also ludicrous, considering this conversion for a similarly-engined M Coupe (with even tighter space under the hood than an M3) costs only half as much and includes suspenion, brake, clutch, exhaust, and limited-slip mods INCLUDING labor and shipping, to and from the facility:
    http://www.activeautowerke.com/turbo/OBD2-MZ3Turbo.asp

    That one gets 430 hp at the crank.

    Now compare the torque/hp curves for the supercharged S2000 and compare it to a non-turbo'ed M coupe and you can see which one most likely delivers better everyday drivability (look at torque curves, not just outright bhp).</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    C'mon, i've said this for 10 times, S2000 is not comparable to M3!!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Re: yur garbage you lil b*tch!

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from needfaspeedsi</i>
    <b>Lol...wow hotshot, picking on 20000 civics with your 50000 corvette. Corvettes are big pieces of shit. Only 350 HP from 5.7 Liters. That is pitiful. My civic Si stock makes 160 out of a 1.6 Liter and with my vortech turbocharger and tenko r catback, I get 290 Hp. I haven't tested the quarter mile yet, but i hit 60 in 5.1 seconds. I could probably do better, but i just got my license so i got to practice a bit more. I spend a total of 25000 on the car and the mods. Haha, you just wasted 50000. The next non Z06 corvette i burn will be for YOU buddy!<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">


    PS - your right, it is priceless. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    OK, let's do this from the top.

    "wow hotshot, picking on 20000 civics with your 50000 corvette."
    ---> A brand new C5 costs about 40K, I bought mine used for 30K. But you're right, pricewise it's not a fair comparison. If you look at the post I was replying to, you would see that HE was talking shxt first. I NEVER knock another car by comparing it to a more expensive one. But since HE made the comparison, it was open season. You want a cheaper car that will out do this one? Mustang Cobra, Camaro SS.

    "Corvettes are big pieces of shit. Only 350 HP from 5.7 Liters. That is pitiful. My civic Si stock makes 160 out of a 1.6 Liter"
    ---> Did you also add a fart-can to the exhaust to try to make your 1.6 sound like a 5.7? Who cares how much horse power you get from a smaller engine? If chicks walk up to you and say, "wow, your engine is small" them maybe they're not talking about your displacement. By the way, how much torque does your Civic make? For some reason you forget to mention that. Yes, American cars will beat you with bigger displacement, but they still beat you.

    "I spend a total of 25000 on the car and the mods. Haha, you just wasted 50000."
    ---> What a stupid comment. It's always easier to get more for less if you buy a cheaper car and soup it up. Let me spend the same amount on mods that you spent on yours and then let's see if you talk shit. A stock $22,000 Z28 will still beat your SUPERCHARGED Honda. You have any idea what a Supercarged Z28 will do?
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  14. everyone, remember to document this moment, for i am about to agree w/ Seansvette. It is always much easier to soup up a cheaper car. but, ok, the rest i do disagree w/. at the drag strip, i would take a 290hp civic over any stck Z28. sorry. If you need your big American car to pick up chicks, I pity you. You might want to try a pimp instead of a car - it'd be a little cheaper and serve your purpose equally well. Also, the Camaro is already a very fast car. why add a supercharger when you could concentrate on the more pressing issue w/ that car, the handling? so many people think that a car is only as good as its quarter-mile time. i disagree.
     
  15. #115 BMWM3CTR, Aug 9, 2002
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    I got tired of reading all this crap so if what i am about to say has already been said ignore.

    I thought the M roadster had 315 Hp or something like that?

    Ford won't make it aluminum because that would make the car lighter and a heck of a lot more expensive.

    Flashback: COPO Camaro ZR-1(ZL-1 or something like that), if you opted for the aluminum block that more than doubled the cost of the car. This in a car that cost $5k at the time. Value has left the forum!!!

    Isn't this an S2000 forum? not an american vs. import forum. Could the awesome people at www.supercars.net please create a special forum for the stupid Japanese vs. American debate. That should be a good waste of about 20 pages of forum space in the first day. Why? because the japanese car fans are to stubborn to give in to the arguments of the american cars, and the rednecks won't give in to the arguments of the Japanese car fans.

    My reason for this is: My signature says Honda fun and cheap and improves on cost as well as performance as you go down the list. Will I ever own a Ferrari? probably not! A BMW? I hope to have an M3 one day. but hopes and dreams do not make a fast car, MONEY does!!! I do like corvette's camaro's etc. mustangs are crap no matter what
    cobra or not and they still look foul. You can poke at my statements all you want but I am looking at the real world not fantasy land. I'm 17. I study a few things, mostly numbers cuz I don't make lots of money to drive all these cars myself. <!-- Signature -->
     
  16. "Ford won't make it aluminum because that would make the car lighter and a heck of a lot more expensive."

    The SVT Mustang Cobra comes complete with 32 Valves, Cobra brakes, Cobra suspension, and.... ...... ALUMINUM BLOCK!
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  17. Seansvetter - I'm glad you put that on this post. That was the only thing that this post was lacking. NOT!
     
  18. One of the reasons why imports cars (Euros and Japs) are more expensive than American cars is because imports use more expensive materials, like for their engines, almost all of them use aluminum block(even the civic uses it!!) and American cars use iron block more often. <!-- Signature -->
     
  19. Yes if you mod an american car you can toast a ferrari. Actual for street legal cars here in the states the fastest is a 1300 Hp Corvette from what I have read. I didn't catch any 1/4 mile times. A 1970 Hemi 'Cuda stock is only .3 seconds bellow a 2000 ferrari 360, and the car is 30 years old. You can get amazing HP out of a Hemi, just throw a supercharger + intercooler and your going to get around 800Hp. What about the Saleen S7? The Panoz? The Z06? Hell, even the SVT Mustang Cobra, it does have a Hand Built engine, its light for an American car (Its lighter than the Supra), The 1987 Buick Grand National X that McLaren helped buid. There are plenty of good engineered American cars out there. Then what do you consider American? Are Acuras? Are Fords?
     
  20. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Honda rulez</i>
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    <b>Honda Rulz (or whatever your name is), you never replied when I posted this in another thread, so I'll repost it here. I'm sure you didn't reply because you didn't see it.

    I love how in your quote you say this about Domestics....

    "doors falling out, steering wheels falling out, tires blowing up, gas pedals getting stuck, airbags popping out suddenly,etc"

    Doors falling out? Steering wheels falling out? Where the fxck do you get this stuff from?

    In 13 years of driving I have never had a door fall out. I have never had a steering wheel fall out. I have never had a tire blow up. I have never had a gas pedal get stuck. And I have never had an airbad suddenly pop out. In my 28 years of being alive I have never been in a car where any of these things have happened. Also, I have never known any other drivers that any of these have happened to.

    I don't have a problem with rice burners talking shxt about Domestics. I talk shxt about rice burners all the time. What I do have a problem with is punk kids making stupid comments with absolutely nothing to base them on. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    No, these things have had happened to some American cars, like 1 percent of them. While Japanese cars don't have those "accidents." I got all the info from news. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oh OK. Tell us another lie! Which year/make/model of American cars did you see on the news had problems with doors and steering wheels falling off?
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  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i>
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    <b>Honda Rulz (or whatever your name is), you never replied when I posted this in another thread, so I'll repost it here. I'm sure you didn't reply because you didn't see it.

    I love how in your quote you say this about Domestics....

    "doors falling out, steering wheels falling out, tires blowing up, gas pedals getting stuck, airbags popping out suddenly,etc"

    Doors falling out? Steering wheels falling out? Where the fxck do you get this stuff from?

    In 13 years of driving I have never had a door fall out. I have never had a steering wheel fall out. I have never had a tire blow up. I have never had a gas pedal get stuck. And I have never had an airbad suddenly pop out. In my 28 years of being alive I have never been in a car where any of these things have happened. Also, I have never known any other drivers that any of these have happened to.

    I don't have a problem with rice burners talking shxt about Domestics. I talk shxt about rice burners all the time. What I do have a problem with is punk kids making stupid comments with absolutely nothing to base them on. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    No, these things have had happened to some American cars, like 1 percent of them. While Japanese cars don't have those "accidents." I got all the info from news. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oh OK. Tell us another lie! Which year/make/model of American cars did you see on the news had problems with doors and steering wheels falling off?
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    I'm not sure what year, but I know the models.

    Ford Aerostar
    Dodge Caravan
    Plymouth Voyageur
    and more, I'll add more later.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>hey i own a tractor trailer with lots and lots of torque so i am fast and i have the best car in the world. hell, its not even a car. i also own a very large tank for blowing through the quarter.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->i really don't understand the purpose of this post, but whatever... can i have a ride in your tank?<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. I beleive Buzzbomber's post was (supposed) to point out that torque isn't everything. It's a rediculous example. I think it's a given that when we talk about the importance of torque for racing, we're speaking about normal, non-diesel engines that don't redline at 3000 RPM. For 99% of the non-diesel engines, high torque = high horse power.

    You will find many cars (especially Hondas) that have a great deal more horse power than torque, but it's very rare to find it the other way around.

    Yes, there are many cars with more torque than horse power (such as the Camaro SS with 325hp, 350lbs of torque. But the S2000 has 57% more horse power than torque. Good luck finding a non-diesel car with 57% more torque than horse power.

    Also Buzzbomber, how much does your very large tractor trailor weigh?<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rthompson</i>
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    <b>hey i own a tractor trailer with lots and lots of torque so i am fast and i have the best car in the world. hell, its not even a car. i also own a very large tank for blowing through the quarter.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->i really don't understand the purpose of this post, but whatever... can i have a ride in your tank?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> hehe yeah sure! we can go shoot at Kias and Fords, hehe!

    what im saying is that torque isnt everything. big trucks have lots of torque, but that doesnt make them sports cars. so does a tank, doesnt it? hell, if it doesnt, id still like to drive one. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  25. It funny to read most of your replies on this topic. Many of you apparently hate everything about honda. You say that the S2000 is a piece of crap, yet you have compared it to the porsche and have mentioned it in the same paragraph with other true supercars. I don't know a lot about cars, but I can say that S2000 is a very nice car. Not just because it's a Honda, it's because it's an attention getter. What I think is that most of you are upset that Honda are winning the heart of young people. In the old time it was all about Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes and etc..... Today every where you look you will see a young man in an import. I can't explain why that is so I am not going to try. The S2000 may be crap in one category, but overall I thing it's a wonderful car.
     

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