Re: I'LL STICK WITH MY FERRARI, THIS CAR S-U-X

Discussion in '2002 Lotus Esprit V8' started by Multiades, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Well, I've never driven something I would classify as an exotic (I own a '91 Stealth R/T TT with many upgrades I'm currently installing myself) but the Esprit V8 would definately be high on my list of desireable cars.

    There are a few things you seem to be overlooking here, it is a very potent, powerful mid-engined supercar, faster than an F360 (from a standstill, if not in the top-end) for a lot less.

    There is also the upgradeability. I can tell you from years of experience with turbocharged cars that nothing is as versatile to upgrade and drive. They make tons of power from less displacement, improving fuel economy by quite a bit, and they are SO EASY to make more power with. Making 400hp out of an Esprit V8 Turbo would probably cost me about fifty bucks.

    All you need to do to make more power is increase boost, add more fuel and remove a ceartain amount of heat from the intake charge.

    With a relatively mild turbo upgrade, new injectors, intercoolers, water injection, and ECU tuning, that car would make INCREDIBLE power with reasonable safety without ever opening up the engine. On the order of 500hp, while getting the same fuel economy (when driven normally) as it did with 350hp. ON PUMP GAS!

    Why do you think a Porsche turbo will gain 65hp with a simple chip? Turbo management.

    People also complain about turbo lag... The Esprit V8 TT has a high compression ratio (for a turbo car) similar to that of the Porsche Turbo so that extreme low-end power suffers minimally (and that's at a point that is never used during driving). Fact, turbos make MUCH more torque MUCH sooner and for a MUCH broader range than a naturally aspirated (or supercharged) car. My car reaches its torque peak of 307ft lbs (stock) at 2500 rpm and holds it flat to 5k. This can also be artificially increased by increasing boost in the high end so that one could make peak torque from 2.5k to 6.5k rpm. Minimizing lag is as easy as adding free-flowing exhaust and insulated turbo headers. Removing catalysts helps A LOT.

    I'm expecting around 450hp from my Stealth TT and similar longevity to what it had from the factory (it drove strong for 173k miles before I rebuilt the engine and trans). That's from a 3.0L V6.

    -Chris Wood

    P.S. I have heard that Lotus has some quality control problems. No idea if this has any truth... They REALLY need to get rid of the popups and change the nose a little on the Esprit V8 TT too.

    P.P.S. What's this with a 5-speed manual? Is this accurate? It really should have a 6-speed.
     
  2. umm 360's have great lat. accel and good cornering i dont believe u can beat it in an esprit
     
  3. It's juz a plain direct rip off frm ferrari.Those 4 rear round lights.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. To tell you the truth I wanted to quote someone from this forum, but there's so much bullshit written here that I don't think I'll have the space to do that. Everyone who has written that this car is uncapable at any point is TOTALLY wrong. Let's see what we have here: a car that's been around for 30 (I ask you) years and is still able to outgun ANY Ferrari, no matter which track you choose to do this. And everyone who most foolishly has written that the design is not good shloud seriously re-consider his opinion. The design of the Esprit has hardly changed since its first day and you can't deny that it looks damn nice even today. So much better than a lot of the ugly concepts that every manufacturer is trying to produce (take Mercedes' last concept for example). Beautiful, dramatic lines. So, those of you who I've mentioned, please think again, because you're looking at a sport car legend that has soldiered on for so long not because the company cannot produce a replacement but because it's so enormously great that one isn't necessary, actually.
     
  5. Miroslav is right up to a point. Lotus might well be replacing the Esprit at some point in the future. According to an artical in Autocar it is planning to make a family of new models based on the M250.
     
  6. Hmmm..yep =)
    Miroslav has the concept of it =)
    Why change a good thing =)

    Hmmmm..the M250...I'm not sure bout that. Last I heard was the M250 is gonna be it's own independent line.

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  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 550Barchetta</i>
    <b>What else is there to say. The lack of power, speed, and all around performance attributes to its suckiness as well as cheap price. If you want a poor man's sportscar then this is your calling. However, if you are in need of real performance, speed, handeling, looks, and a car that will get you some ladies, then do not get this car. You would probably have more luck in a Ford Focus, then this car. So, I say to you today my fellow supercars fanatics, if you have no cash you get no flash, and you get a car like this, which in my words is somewhere between a corvette and a camaro with a price 2-3 times the price of each car. Basically do not buy this car, you would be better of with this liikes of a porsche 911 or even a viper, if you are the American car lover. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I love ferraris, but actually I dun think this car SUX. It may not perform better and more reliable than porsche or ferrari, but it's one of the real supercars icons, even the design is getting old.



     
  8. Funny that when it sucks so bad I still manage to drive the 350 varient of it round circuits faster than a Ferrari 355 and 360. Not as fast along the straight but a damn sight faster round corners.

    But then again, the Elise beats Ferrari's on a track due to the handling.

    I'll stick with the Lotus rather than an overweight car.

    *BTW..I have nothing against Ferrari BTW. I just think they have lost the plot a bit since the Dino...*

    Simon/~Flibster
     
  9. hey ninja moby take the shit out of your eyes and read. the guy was talking about putting an 8 cylinder in an elise, not an esprit. Im sure he was well aware that an esprit had an 8 cylinder, unless for some reason he is one of those people who know absolutly nuthin about cars and only think they do.
     
  10. I dun really trust you can beat a 360 or even 355 with an Esprit. Only happens when the ferrari's driver is crap or something.
    An elise is really light-weight, of course it handles corner better than ferraris (may be), Ferrari is not the same car, I mean it's hard to compare Lotus with Ferraris. But I really love Ferraris because its heritage and tradition.
    My preference: Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Audi, McLaren
     
  11. Not a Toyota Supra from the 80's anymore

    Espirit... nice car... even this one.... but played out.... Lotus makes sports cars right? Well then DUH!!! Make the car do something when you plant your foot on that pedal! And also...... put out fresh new ideas!!! instead of having the same design for nearly 30 years!!! I think the Elise should have a bigger engine... love its look... it's super light! and handles so amazingly well... come on... put at least an 8 in that baby!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. Not a Toyota Supra from the 80's anymore

    Espirit... nice car... even this one.... but played out.... Lotus makes sports cars right? Well then DUH!!! Make the car do something when you plant your foot on that pedal! And also...... put out fresh new ideas!!! instead of having the same design for nearly 30 years!!! I think the Elise should have a bigger engine... love its look... it's super light! and handles so amazingly well... come on... put at least an 8 in that baby!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Re: Not a Toyota Supra from the 80's anymore

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from swisskid</i>
    <b> I think the Elise should have a bigger engine... love its look... it's super light! and handles so amazingly well... come on... put at least an 8 in that baby!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Why would you put an 8 in an Elise? There's a reason why you stick w/ the I4. I believe it's called HANDLING. There are 2 things that the Elise does lack though, and that's torque and top speed. I don't really care about top speed(Unless it's really low)because you will never reach it(legally)on the road. But more torque would definitely be a plus. The Elise is one of da phattest carz in tha world.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. This is a pretty decent car, but come on! A ferrari?!?! Even if it can beat the 550 Barchetta on the track, you can't even compare this old and tired looking lotus to a real man's car...FERRARI!... if you want to say it is a good car fine, but don't go bashing Ferrari cause' you can't afford one!
     
  15. Thats right. This car is tight. I think if they changed the rear view mirriors, the side windows then it would look nice. Also I don't like the new rear lights, looks like something off of a Ferrari.
     
  16. It's sweet to hear so many Lotus supporters.
    But you gotta understand the different classes between Ferrari and Lotus.
    One is based on power, other is based on handling and weight.
    2 different concepts, but I prefer the Lotus..sounds better when revving =)

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  17. So true. Ferrari and Lotus have 2 different concepts of getting around the track fast. One based on power, in a 550 its a v12 (heavier than a 3.5 litre V8 turbo). Now Lotus' concept of getting around the track is by handling. To get at this being light and agile helps <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">. Now having a 3.5 litre, turbocharged V8 helps out because it has enough power to get out of the corners but can easily be tuned to the 500hp mark with a simple intercooler upgrade, ecu tuning, and bigger injectors. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  18. Hmmmm..actually..the Lotus will kill a 360 Modena..
    but then if it was a 355 (technically better bare racer than 360) it would have a larger challenge. Yes the 355 has less ponies than the 360, but it makes it up in light weight...sorta the Lotus Concept. But handling wise..the LOTUS rocks!!

    THe 355 still has more ponies than the Esprit, weight is bout the same but I think the 355 weighs a bit more. ALso the Lotus has advantage on cornering due to width and length, harder for tail to come out under...compared to 355 or 360...short wheel base.

    But overall, I have to say that the Lotus is more exotic than Ferrari..Ferrari is too mainstream now like Porsche.

    DA PUN<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. I like Lotus, but I think they need to do a face lift on their cars. <!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Well guys, as for the Elise, guess what..this is the engine they stick into it for some pro-racing circuits =P
    Reason why HP is so low for this engine is cuz look @ it's displacement and size!! This engine is only a 3.5L!!

    But over all, this car does not suck. If you've ever driven a Lotus before you'll know. These cars stick like glue on the road in some hairy situations where even a 911T with AWD will #$%# up.
    The ligth weight, right amount of power and suspensions kicks ass for cornering. And yes, this car can and will kill a 360 or 355 even though they have a larger V8.

    The Lotus engines also sound extremely sweet and smooth compared to the Ferrari =)
    This car is not really a drag strip car, straight lines it'll get killed, but through some corners in, and you'll need something that handles like a WRX or GT car to keep up =)

    DA PUN<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. What do you mean this car is underpowered. Look at the numbers(even they aren't here) they speak for themselves. 0-60 is no more than 4 seconds, and a 187 mph top speed is pretty good. THis car will also out handle anything thrown against it. This is true for all Lotus'. The ELise Sport 190 beats a Viper ACR around a track (with just 190 hp) Get my point, ponnies don't matter that much. There is MUCH MUCH more to a sports car than hp!!!!!!!
     
  22. I think taht this car is way to boring for a 2002 car.
    Judged onlyt by looks of course !<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. I disagree, ive always liked the Esprit look.... I'd take this car any day, its got style. Gotta hand it to the Poms, they make some great cars. *cough Jags cough* <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Laske1</i>
    <b>I think taht this car is way to boring for a 2002 car.
    Judged onlyt by looks of course !</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Yes, I like this car, but it's really boring...
     
  25. i love the look of this car and gentlmen i dont think any car can top the preformance of a lotus car. Go lotus ( and for god's sake put at least a V6 in the elise )<!-- Signature -->
     

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