Re: Lets list why poeple do not like the car.

Discussion in '2003 Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary' started by SolidHPM, Aug 9, 2002.

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    <b>I agree with most of what you have said there, but not the build quality point. To my understanding America hasn't yet built a car worthy of comment above 'good enough' in regards to build quality.

    To americans mechanical longevity is more important than construction quality, component quality, fit and finish, paint quality etc.

    The Japanese and Germans manage to combine mechanical efficientcy, construction quality, mechanical quality and longevity etc etc very well, while the Americans can't seem to build cars even up to Korean standards.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Where's the facts?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    can i just say one thing? i love you! lol i agree wit ya 100.001% i love the american cars *cough chevy rocks cough* and the ford, i just think its a company that offeres things that chevy wud just throw away. i mean chevy has all the records almost for best car in its class and well ford only had mustang and with that, they wont be able to beat any other supercar.

    also, about this topic on aircraft... whats goin on? were just discussing bout cars then eevryone trails off talkin bout how we could go into space with engines? im confused really.... anwyayz anothr topic i see here: the all world famous question: could a corvette burn a viper?

    well there are many answeres to this and listen closely...

    YES! lol in the recent tests done with the chevy racing and all that bull it shows dodge could beat chevy by a mere few seconds down the 1/4 mile only because dodge has that little extra hp... now doin the track however, there may be a little changes... i wud say corvette wud whoop ass on the track...

    soon enough in 2004 there are already rumors sayin corvette will be 560 hp and top speed will exceed vipers. now all im sayin is this is a rumor. cud be true but it cud just be a concept that chevy is plannin. either way, it will still be great if the z06 cud add a little more hp to itself if its gunna beat a viper down the 1/4 lane.

    well thats what i think and im rambling on... good day and good nite!

    CHEVY RULeZ!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Well, what you say doesn't matter, since the Corvette was getting ass wupped by the Viper at Le Mans and the ALMS til Chrysler withdrew support for Team Oreca. And if the Vette gets 560 horses (yeah right), what do you think Dodge will do? They will jack that V10 up to 600hp. You are talking out of your ass. Where the hell is Legend NH or Lingenfelter, some intelligent Vette guys, to give me some real facts? And where the hell did you hear the Vette was getting a bhp of 560? Show me where the hell you heard that lovely tidbit, and maybe I might give you some credit for not being a total idiot. <!-- Signature -->
     
  2. Um......I don't get it.


    Don't blame me, im only 11 years old.
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i>
    <b>I have seen the following arguments supporting the opinion that this car "sucks".
    1)Poor HP/Litre.
    2)Poor build quality.
    3)Poor handling.
    4)Its not the Ls6 powerplant.

    1) This has fairly low hp/litre, yes. It also gets a nice even power curve from low to high rpm and 28mpg highway. Think about that. There are numerous high performance I-4's, I-6's, V-8's, V-6's with lower mpg. This means that the Ls1 is efficient in one way and not in another. This just goes to show how you can not judge a car just by one variable, which happens to support your preformed bias.

    2) I have yet to see the proof of these phantom gnomes that plague the Vette, making it unreliable. I have not seen the proof. I have heard from many that the GM flag ship is remarkably well built. I'm inclined to beleive the later opinion. JD Power agrees too.

    3)Lap times don't lie. All the Vettes rock. They weigh in at 3200 lbs for crying out load! Thats about the weight of many sport compacts like the 2nd gen Elipse! Realtime damping adjustment. That is a remarkable idea. I don't see it on anyother car for 50K (that I know of) The traction controll on the Z06 is also quite effective (lap times cough cough).

    4)It is the base Vette, with a bit of special prestige to it. It did not stop being a great car because it is the 50th aniversary. It does not need the Ls6. It rocks as is. Just like the 25th GTI and the 10th Viper. Neither of them had increased power. The fact is, we always want more power, but we are not in charge.

    Yes there are better cars. Most of them are not fair comparos. This is a far superior car to a 95 S-10 pickup. Nobody cares. Similarly, nobody should care if this is beaten by a 360, NSX, 911 turbo, or F1. Lets be realistic, this car is somewhere between 40 and 50 thousand dollars.

    If you are going top reply, at least read the whole post. Rational disagreements are welcome. The rest wont even dignify a response.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I have loved the Corvette ever since I was a kid, but the only thing that turns me off is the quality, reliability, and longivity factor. Japanese, Swedish, and German cars have proven themselves in these categories with years of awards from numerous magazines, but I have heard negativity on the quality, reliability, and longivity of Corvettes. The yearly report (in April) of the Consumer Auto Reports magazine rates the Corvette as "very poor" for reliability. Corvettes are perfect except for that questionable flaw of reliability. It's for this reason that the NSX supposedly costs more-better reliability and longivity. Like I said, I love the Corvette but I'm just curious if anyone has a document supporting that the vette is as reliable as its German and Japanese counterparts. It would make me feel confident about the vette. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  4. I really hate the arrogance of some people in these forums. Bitching about things like why this corvette doesnt have more horsepower and how the reliability is shitty, this is an anniversary edition, meant for people who want to celebrate the 50 years of the vette. If you want more power, thats what the Z06 is for, no need to make this car have the same specs because they already have it. And the for the reliability factor, Ferrari is about dead last in this area and you dont see people bashing them because of it. They pick on american cars because in the past they might not have been as reliable but this is a new era of automobiles. Show me some proof that this corvette is less reliable then a honda civic or a mercedes and then maybe ill see where your coming from, otherwise dont post the stupid comments ive been seeing
     
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    <b>I really hate the arrogance of some people in these forums. Bitching about things like why this corvette doesnt have more horsepower and how the reliability is shitty, this is an anniversary edition, meant for people who want to celebrate the 50 years of the vette. If you want more power, thats what the Z06 is for, no need to make this car have the same specs because they already have it. And the for the reliability factor, Ferrari is about dead last in this area and you dont see people bashing them because of it. They pick on american cars because in the past they might not have been as reliable but this is a new era of automobiles. Show me some proof that this corvette is less reliable then a honda civic or a mercedes and then maybe ill see where your coming from, otherwise dont post the stupid comments ive been seeing</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I hate it when people divert from answering my question. I gave evidence: Look at the yearly (April) edition of Consumer's Report Auto Magazine and you'll see that the vette is rated as "very poor" in terms of quality, while a Mercedes SLK, an Acura NSX, and a BMW M3 all got good or excellent for the factor of reliability. I love the vette's performance and the style but that magazine's reliability rating sours everything.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. oh and that ws a quote too sorry
     
  7. The corvette is getting a bhp boost soon and it is going to be in the 400-450 bhp range but i don't think it will be in the 500 range. The vipers are good looking cars but not as well balanced as a corvette. I love the look and power of both cars.
     
  8. GM has already produced a V12 with over 750 hp with little more displacement than the LS1 has. Also the fuel economy is about the same because the engine can shut down 6 cylinders when they're not needed. They used the engine in the Cadillac Cien concept car. Not only that but the 427 Tigershark put out over 600 hp without turbo or superchargers and running on 93 octane gas in an all aluminum block configuration very similar to an LS1's. They should have used one of these engines in the 2003 Vette to commemorate the 50 years I think. The Corvette will have more hp and will eventually be the fastest car for under 100k and it will probably happen in the next 5 years. Oh, and since when are Vipers kicking Vette's asses in endurance racing?? If I'm correct aren't Vettes leading the manufacturers points in the ALMS?
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from porschethebest</i>
    <b>Well let me explain:

    It's looks like nothing. The car's exterieur looks terrible.
    The results that the engine gives is terrible too.
    For a V8 it's not so fast. A Porsche 911 Carrera 4 haves 3600cc and the cars performance is much better.

    I hope this will give you enough reasons to change your mind.

    Bye</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The Corvette Z06 can beat the Porche 911 <i>Turbo</i> around the track. Whered you get that a Carerra 4 can?

    And again, here we go about engine size... the size of the engine doesnt matter. Its just different technology. The turbocharged 911, the only one capable of taking the Corvette in accel, uses forced induction to make power, therefor does not need much displacement. The Corvette uses no forced induction, and just uses the engine's natural power. And making lots of natural power without technological aids such as variable valve timing requires high displacement. And you cant say the bigger engine is bad when the Corvette gets better gas mileage.
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SuprJames</i>
    <b>GM has already produced a V12 with over 750 hp with little more displacement than the LS1 has. Also the fuel economy is about the same because the engine can shut down 6 cylinders when they're not needed. They used the engine in the Cadillac Cien concept car. Not only that but the 427 Tigershark put out over 600 hp without turbo or superchargers and running on 93 octane gas in an all aluminum block configuration very similar to an LS1's. They should have used one of these engines in the 2003 Vette to commemorate the 50 years I think. The Corvette will have more hp and will eventually be the fastest car for under 100k and it will probably happen in the next 5 years. Oh, and since when are Vipers kicking Vette's asses in endurance racing?? If I'm correct aren't Vettes leading the manufacturers points in the ALMS?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    I thought it already was the fastest car under $100k.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Lets list why poeple do not like the car.

    I have seen the following arguments supporting the opinion that this car "sucks".
    1)Poor HP/Litre.
    2)Poor build quality.
    3)Poor handling.
    4)Its not the Ls6 powerplant.

    1) This has fairly low hp/litre, yes. It also gets a nice even power curve from low to high rpm and 28mpg highway. Think about that. There are numerous high performance I-4's, I-6's, V-8's, V-6's with lower mpg. This means that the Ls1 is efficient in one way and not in another. This just goes to show how you can not judge a car just by one variable, which happens to support your preformed bias.

    2) I have yet to see the proof of these phantom gnomes that plague the Vette, making it unreliable. I have not seen the proof. I have heard from many that the GM flag ship is remarkably well built. I'm inclined to beleive the later opinion. JD Power agrees too.

    3)Lap times don't lie. All the Vettes rock. They weigh in at 3200 lbs for crying out load! Thats about the weight of many sport compacts like the 2nd gen Elipse! Realtime damping adjustment. That is a remarkable idea. I don't see it on anyother car for 50K (that I know of) The traction controll on the Z06 is also quite effective (lap times cough cough).

    4)It is the base Vette, with a bit of special prestige to it. It did not stop being a great car because it is the 50th aniversary. It does not need the Ls6. It rocks as is. Just like the 25th GTI and the 10th Viper. Neither of them had increased power. The fact is, we always want more power, but we are not in charge.

    Yes there are better cars. Most of them are not fair comparos. This is a far superior car to a 95 S-10 pickup. Nobody cares. Similarly, nobody should care if this is beaten by a 360, NSX, 911 turbo, or F1. Lets be realistic, this car is somewhere between 40 and 50 thousand dollars.

    If you are going top reply, at least read the whole post. Rational disagreements are welcome. The rest wont even dignify a response.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. That was well said. And if I may add something,

    "This car was not ment to be raced, it was ment to comemerate 50 years of hard work.
    If someone wants to race in a Vette they will buy a Z06 because that was what it was built for!"<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. could this beat a 2003 viper gts??????

    I think so because its a chevy and dodge makes vipers and dodge SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. Lets list why poeple do not like the car.

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from blinda55chevy</i>
    <b>I think so because its a chevy and dodge makes vipers and dodge SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Hey moron, why'd you change the topic title, ask yourself a question, then answer it yourself? I think you should first learn how this whole supercars.net thing works, Mr. NewMember- 1posts

    Oh, and sparetire, good post, I agree 110%.You tell 'em, buddy.<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. I also agree. WHy is it that everyone always seems to have blinders on and are so narrow minded. I used to be like that with Chevy and Ford but finally realized how good both companies are. Everyone has there goods and bads.

    Anyways I love this corvette. Even though it ain't the 405hp V-8 it still kiks butt. So be happy!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  16. I agree with most of what you have said there, but not the build quality point. To my understanding America hasn't yet built a car worthy of comment above 'good enough' in regards to build quality.

    To americans mechanical longevity is more important than construction quality, component quality, fit and finish, paint quality etc.

    The Japanese and Germans manage to combine mechanical efficientcy, construction quality, mechanical quality and longevity etc etc very well, while the Americans can't seem to build cars even up to Korean standards.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. everyone on this board loves trashing america..whats up with that? just out of curiosity. Which is the most powerful/richest nation in the world? ITS AMERICA ....not korea..not japan..not germany...(I still respect JAPAN and GERMAN automobiles but i just cant stand ignorant people coming on here and saying americans cant engineer stuff. If we cant engineer anything right how come were the only ones in the entire world that has a space shuttle capable of entering orbit with a crew and doing repairs/maintainance on satellites. If im correct there is redisghned model coming out in 2007 which will be able to enter orbit under it own power, without the assistance of those massive booster, all thanks to the new aerospike engine technology. How come we are the only military in the world that posses stealth technology, posses some of the most advanced fighter planes in the world. The YF 22 stealth figher is probably the most advanced tactical fighter in the world. How come GM and FORD are the first two biggest car companies in the world, HOW COME IF WE CANT ENGINEER CARS PROPERLY, there are still the two american companies leading the way in global the standings. I dont get that, i dont come on this board and say japanese/german cars are crap, i have respect for all auto manufacturers...i just hate people who come on this board and think American cars are all shit...
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from TIMMAHH</i>
    <b>I agree with most of what you have said there, but not the build quality point. To my understanding America hasn't yet built a car worthy of comment above 'good enough' in regards to build quality.

    To americans mechanical longevity is more important than construction quality, component quality, fit and finish, paint quality etc.

    The Japanese and Germans manage to combine mechanical efficientcy, construction quality, mechanical quality and longevity etc etc very well, while the Americans can't seem to build cars even up to Korean standards.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Where's the facts?<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from TIMMAHH</i>
    <b>I agree with most of what you have said there, but not the build quality point. To my understanding America hasn't yet built a car worthy of comment above 'good enough' in regards to build quality.

    To americans mechanical longevity is more important than construction quality, component quality, fit and finish, paint quality etc.

    The Japanese and Germans manage to combine mechanical efficientcy, construction quality, mechanical quality and longevity etc etc very well, while the Americans can't seem to build cars even up to Korean standards.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    You poor diluted person. You say that American cars aren't built quality? Start watching the streets and the news for car accidents, and I garantee that you'll see more foreign cars wrecked. And on top of that, they're probably totalled. You say "etc." in you post a lot, which I find to mean "I wish there were more evidence, but there isn't". You also attack component quality, fit and finish, and paint quality. Unless you're a world renowned expert on these subjects and identifying such flaws, I doubt that you'd ever be able to tell the difference. What I mean is that if GM built a car to look exactly like one of your favorite models and you owned it for a year, you wouldn't even believe that it wasn't what you thought it was. Well, have a nice day.<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Well mutherf*ckin said.<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. Good to see that I am in good company. I think these forums might actually get better over time, most of the people who have actually read the forums and all tend to be fairly enlightened. I hope the trend continues.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. Well let me explain:

    It's looks like nothing. The car's exterieur looks terrible.
    The results that the engine gives is terrible too.
    For a V8 it's not so fast. A Porsche 911 Carrera 4 haves 3600cc and the cars performance is much better.

    I hope this will give you enough reasons to change your mind.

    Bye
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from porschethebest</i>
    <b>Well let me explain:

    It's looks like nothing. The car's exterieur looks terrible.
    The results that the engine gives is terrible too.
    For a V8 it's not so fast. A Porsche 911 Carrera 4 haves 3600cc and the cars performance is much better.

    I hope this will give you enough reasons to change your mind.

    Bye</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    looks are subjective, I personally think 911's are ugly, but do I diss them? No. Because they are a great performing car.

    You can elect to not purchase a car based on it's looks, but you can't say "this car sucks because it's ugly" you have to have genuine reasons like poor performance, reliability, build quality. But to say a car sucks based solely on it's looks is silly.
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from blinda55chevy</i>
    <b>I think so because its a chevy and dodge makes vipers and dodge SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->You are an idiot. To add to this arguement- people claim Americans cannot engineer a well built automobile. I believe that would be inncorrect. If America is capable of building the fastest non-rocket fueled aircraft in the world (SR-71 Blackbird), the worlds first true Stealth aircrafts (F-117/B-2), the worlds most effective combat tank (M-1A1 Abrams), and the worlds most advanced fighter (F-22 Raptor), ( I will not get into our ability to enginneer buildings, roads, ect as that would take up too much room. Our track record is quite good on that by the way.) I believe we are quite capable of enginneering a well built automobile. Yes I realize this is apples and oranges, but I am trying to prove a point. While, yes, the 80's were a sad time for American car build quality, I believe this has changed. And Until I see actual documented proof that the build quality on the Corvette is poor, I will tend to differ with those of you who are naysayers in this arguement. And America can and has built one of the most high quality, rugged automobiles ever by the way. Its called the Jeep. <!-- Signature -->
     
  25. Its not the Corvette Tigershark<!-- Signature -->
     

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