Re: m-5 or HSV

Discussion in '2001 HSV VX2 SV300' started by Aych Es Vee, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from muzzy66</i>
    <b>no, believe me. Im from ausralia where we have comparisons of these all the time. The HSV is NOT better than the M5, and thats coming from a person who dislikes bmws.

    Its better for the price over here, costing about half, and straight line performance is close,possibly better. The m5 handles better,has a MUCCCH better bearbox (the hsvs is terrible), much better quality build, better looking, and much better riding for the road as well (more comfortable 2).

    Its a nice car, and for the price is pretty damn good, but not the equal of the m5 (of which i, like i said, am not a fan.)

    This is a car with great potential, but many flaws.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My guess is you don't like HSV's either.
    I'm also from Australia and I've heard many times that HSV is better. I agree with the handling and gearbox part, but I know for a fact that HSV has been built much more stronger, HSV and the new Volvo's are the most safest cars in the world, A HSV is impossible to roll and its much lower than the M5 (by about an inch and a half) and HSV has a better top speed and take off than the M5. Its hard to believe that one of our very own cars is better than an exotic European BMW but its true my friend, its true. <!-- Signature -->
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Tickford5400</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Aych Es Vee</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from muzzy66</i>
    <b>no, believe me. Im from ausralia where we have comparisons of these all the time. The HSV is NOT better than the M5, and thats coming from a person who dislikes bmws.

    Its better for the price over here, costing about half, and straight line performance is close,possibly better. The m5 handles better,has a MUCCCH better bearbox (the hsvs is terrible), much better quality build, better looking, and much better riding for the road as well (more comfortable 2).

    Its a nice car, and for the price is pretty damn good, but not the equal of the m5 (of which i, like i said, am not a fan.)

    This is a car with great potential, but many flaws.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My guess is you don't like HSV's either.
    I'm also from Australia and I've heard many times that HSV is better. I agree with the handling and gearbox part, but I know for a fact that HSV has been built much more stronger, HSV and the new Volvo's are the most safest cars in the world, A HSV is impossible to roll and its much lower than the M5 (by about an inch and a half) and HSV has a better top speed and take off than the M5. Its hard to believe that one of our very own cars is better than an exotic European BMW but its true my friend, its true. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->No that is not rue either. Once again you cease to amaze me. BMW's are built stronger than HSV's with mroe safety devices. Holdens also have a HIGH centre of gravity, and have alot of body lean and body roll! What about all those Commodore Police divvey vans on the news late last year flipping? They were blamed for causing the deaths of those officers, and as a result they only use ford utes now.
    But I guess I could expect someone that uses incorrect phraseology such as "built more stronger" to dissagree with what I have stated above.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

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  3. as much as i love this car.
    the stats say m5.
     
  4. I got a feeling that only Australian fanatics and Americans who love GM so much would prefer this car over the Bimmer. No doubt this car is the best out of Holden and the fact taht the price is only half of the M5 makes it a good buy. But, if I got the fund the Bimmer would win my heart, hands down. Better built quality (trust me, I've been on both) and way better handling.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the HSV is a bad car. I like it. But there are better cars around.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. m-5 or HSV

    bravo, this is truly unique and well built car. One that rivals and in my opinion over takes the also great car BMW M-5, a little more horsepower, and its got some kick to it. keep it up, but make MORE of them
     
  6. stats say hsv so im saying hsv
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Go Go Go Ferrari</i>
    <b>stats say hsv so im saying hsv</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Beats me, but I'm sure its HSV. <!-- Signature -->
     
  8. no, believe me. Im from ausralia where we have comparisons of these all the time. The HSV is NOT better than the M5, and thats coming from a person who dislikes bmws.

    Its better for the price over here, costing about half, and straight line performance is close,possibly better. The m5 handles better,has a MUCCCH better bearbox (the hsvs is terrible), much better quality build, better looking, and much better riding for the road as well (more comfortable 2).

    Its a nice car, and for the price is pretty damn good, but not the equal of the m5 (of which i, like i said, am not a fan.)

    This is a car with great potential, but many flaws.
     
  9. so it seems most of you guys are saying if you were given a choice between a top shelf HSV or current M5 you'd go the HSV??? believe me, if you drove both, you'd take the BM. there is nothing at all wrong with the HSV, and they are well respected and regarded, but cannot be compared to an M5. sure the HSV might get off the line harder, but seriously, how many lights do you really want to stop at in your life time? how about the build quality? ride quality? chassis dynamics? technical equipment? reliability? its like comparing the 300kw GTS Coupe with an M3 - it should't really be done, although i'm sure it has already.

    i'd go the M5 without question. <!-- Signature -->
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Aych Es Vee</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from muzzy66</i>
    <b>no, believe me. Im from ausralia where we have comparisons of these all the time. The HSV is NOT better than the M5, and thats coming from a person who dislikes bmws.

    Its better for the price over here, costing about half, and straight line performance is close,possibly better. The m5 handles better,has a MUCCCH better bearbox (the hsvs is terrible), much better quality build, better looking, and much better riding for the road as well (more comfortable 2).

    Its a nice car, and for the price is pretty damn good, but not the equal of the m5 (of which i, like i said, am not a fan.)

    This is a car with great potential, but many flaws.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My guess is you don't like HSV's either.
    I'm also from Australia and I've heard many times that HSV is better. I agree with the handling and gearbox part, but I know for a fact that HSV has been built much more stronger, HSV and the new Volvo's are the most safest cars in the world, A HSV is impossible to roll and its much lower than the M5 (by about an inch and a half) and HSV has a better top speed and take off than the M5. Its hard to believe that one of our very own cars is better than an exotic European BMW but its true my friend, its true. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->No that is not true either. Once again you cease to amaze me. BMW's are built stronger than HSV's with mroe safety devices. Holdens also have a HIGH centre of gravity, and have alot of body lean and body roll! What about all those Commodore Police divvey vans on the news late last year flipping? They were blamed for causing the deaths of those officers, and as a result they only use ford utes now.
    But I guess I could expect someone that uses incorrect phraseology such as "built more stronger" and "most safest car" to dissagree with what I have stated above.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Aych Es Vee</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from muzzy66</i>
    <b>no, believe me. Im from ausralia where we have comparisons of these all the time. The HSV is NOT better than the M5, and thats coming from a person who dislikes bmws.

    Its better for the price over here, costing about half, and straight line performance is close,possibly better. The m5 handles better,has a MUCCCH better bearbox (the hsvs is terrible), much better quality build, better looking, and much better riding for the road as well (more comfortable 2).

    Its a nice car, and for the price is pretty damn good, but not the equal of the m5 (of which i, like i said, am not a fan.)

    This is a car with great potential, but many flaws.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My guess is you don't like HSV's either.
    I'm also from Australia and I've heard many times that HSV is better. I agree with the handling and gearbox part, but I know for a fact that HSV has been built much more stronger, HSV and the new Volvo's are the most safest cars in the world, A HSV is impossible to roll and its much lower than the M5 (by about an inch and a half) and HSV has a better top speed and take off than the M5. Its hard to believe that one of our very own cars is better than an exotic European BMW but its true my friend, its true. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->No that is not true either. Once again you cease to amaze me. BMW's are built stronger than HSV's with mroe safety devices. Holdens also have a HIGH centre of gravity, and have alot of body lean and body roll! What about all those Commodore Police divvey vans on the news late last year flipping? They were blamed for causing the deaths of those officers, and as a result they only use ford utes now.
    But I guess I could expect someone that uses incorrect phraseology such as "built more stronger" and "most safest car" to dissagree with what I have stated above.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from YarRacing</i>
    <b>I got a feeling that only Australian fanatics and Americans who love GM so much would prefer this car over the Bimmer. No doubt this car is the best out of Holden and the fact taht the price is only half of the M5 makes it a good buy. But, if I got the fund the Bimmer would win my heart, hands down. Better built quality (trust me, I've been on both) and way better handling.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the HSV is a bad car. I like it. But there are better cars around.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Actually in the UK as you would know they sell the GTS but badges as a GTS-R with th Only modification a blitz air cleaner whcih no, doesnt improve performance. That car is sold for something like 50,000 egnlish pounds which is only 2000-3000 pounds less than the M5.
    It's the same with American Popele comparing the price of corvettes to other things yet if we were to import a corvette they end up costing twice as much the equivalent as what they do in USA.
    So taking this into consideration it doesnt mkae the HSV sound like uch of a bang for your buck after all eh?<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Yeah, but Downunder, it is considered as bnag for your buck... Although I did not really agree on that one...

    And the only American publication I read still rate the M5 better than the HSV, only the Aussies rate the HSV better than the M5... Well, I guess it really is difficult to find an unbiased opinion these days...<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. ahh they only rated it better than the M5 round the ring, which it posted faster times. they didn't rate it better at anything else.
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 1q2w3e</i>
    <b>ahh they only rated it better than the M5 round the ring, which it posted faster times. they didn't rate it better at anything else.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    They don;t even have the lap time on the HSV, how do you know that it's faster than the M5?

    Look, don't get me wrong. I think it is a good car, the best that Holden ever produced. But you gotta admit that there are better... And taking into account that we are actually comparing a Holden vs. a Bimmer vs. a Benz, I think Holden did a heck of a job! These Euro better find a new breakthrough for their next generation car...

    But at present time, although it's an improvement from Holden like never before, you still have to admit that they are still better than the Aussie.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. I don;t consider it anywhere near as good as its german counter parts let alone better. Sure they didn't run a time for it around the ring, but if you remember the article the expert they had who'd done 10 000+ laps of it said it would lap 8:10-8:15 and when asked of the M5 he said 10 to 15 seconds slower, i'd have to say i'm likely to believe him, especially since they checked with Motorsport and they admitted to having run an 8:28 in the M5.

    I don't think the HSV is anywhere in the same playing field as the German's but it was quicker round the ring, no big deal.
     
  17. I like this car. But given a choice, the BMW, simply a better engineered car. Remember, this car (HSV) is still in the core a damn commodore. The BMW was built/designed originally as a fast luxury car.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. Well, I don't exactly see it from that angle... Sure, Holden's purpose was for cheap, family cars... But the HSV has really upped the ante and built a much better car than everyone else anticipated... That's what I think... Do they sill have reliability or built-quality problem with the HSVs? Maybe those WHO REALLY OWN ONE can answer my question...<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. Hey dont get me wrong, it's an awesome step up from a commodore, given the chance I would own one, but would not pick it over a M5!.<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Exactly, Erwin... Who would, anyway? Except for... <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  21. the gts was proven to be the better track car. it got better times around the ring, yeah no big deal, its only one of the most toughest tracks on the planet. how can the bmw have better handling if it cant beat it around this track.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from slutmonkey3</i>
    <b>the gts was proven to be the better track car. it got better times around the ring, yeah no big deal, its only one of the most toughest tracks on the planet. how can the bmw have better handling if it cant beat it around this track.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Handling is only one of the many vast criterias that are needed on a track. The HSV has better brakes. Who knows about acceleration. They are both about he same. it depends who gets the best corner exit speeds and alot of other factors. I honestly don't beleive that the HSV would beat the M5 by very much.
    I would really love to see a video of someone like Horst Von Samura testing both of these cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from slutmonkey3</i>
    <b>the gts was proven to be the better track car. it got better times around the ring, yeah no big deal, its only one of the most toughest tracks on the planet. how can the bmw have better handling if it cant beat it around this track.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    How can you be sure that the HSV beat the M5? Nobody ever got a time on those 'race'... Beside, do you really believe a car that wasn't design on the 'Ring can beat those that were born on the 'Ring? How about believing that the Americans beating you guys at footy, if they ever want to play the game?

    If that's they are that good, it would take Holden engineers straight to the F1 and win races...

    I said this before and I'll say this again to you, the only publication that rates the HSV better than the Germans are the Aussies... I read the British mag on the comparison and they don't think HSV beat the Germans...

    Man, if you have a spare time, spend some time in a good bookshop and read other countries' publication... If you read Wheels and Motor too much, the next time you know, you'll be believing that Ferrari got beaten by Falcons fair and square...

    Once again, this is a good car, but there are better cars out there and you either got the heart to admit it or be a laughing stock to the whole world... Wake up, man... Dream's over...<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. now my turn,

    Exactly YarRacing!<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. Thanks, man... <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     

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