Re: McLaren F1 GTR vs. Modified Toyota Supra

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<b>Huuuh. What people. If the supra were to beat it, it would be IN the corners dumbass, that is where the supra shines.(what it was primarily designed for) The #'s speak for themselves.

94'Supra TT Mclaren F1
Lateral G's: .98 .86
Slalom (mph) 68.9 64.5
Braking 60-0 109ft 127ft
MPG 19 11.5

If a modified Supra 6sp were to beat it, it would be IN the corners. Supra's brakes are better in the corners. It can dive further into a corner than the Mclaren as result of the G-sensor in the supra's brake system. It can hold the corner better than the regular F1. Don't give me that "those # aren't real" crap ethier, it beat it in every category but acceleration and cost. 94 Supra has 4sensor 4channel track tuned ABS system with yaw contol. It is probably the only ABS equipped car in the world that is a truly track tuned ABS system.(only one with yaw sensor) 12.6" vented front discs, with 12.4" solid rear w/ 4 fixed piston(not floating)calipers front and two piston rear STOCK. Mclaren does not have ABS at all, it has 13" front with 12" rear in carbonfiber I think. When the Supra came out, one R&T editor said, with a little suspention tweaks, the Supra TT is "the best handling car in the world." The ONLY thing the Mclaren has over the Supra, is a better Power/weight ratio and being handbuilt. Keep in mind this the 94 Supra I am comparing it to.(best year) The later models have slightly worse #. You can improve on the supra's performance numbers too, as Nils Leuven did in the turbo mag's G-games. www.to4r.com has his supra along with others. Specifically, Ken Henderson's Supra would beat a Mclaren F1. It's at www.to4r.com too. BTW, Ken's car has been modified with more power since it was put in the website. BTW, Fully modded street supras run high 8's in the q-mile, F1 ran a best 11 flat. If any car of that generation were to beat the regular F1, it would be the Modded Supra. The GT, GTR, and LM are a different story. You would need to lighten the supra, put a body kit on it to improve the aerodynamic downforce-not like it was unstable in the first place though. Mario Andretti said the Supra was and I quote, "Absoultely Stable" at top speed, and the F1 was, "Absoulutely Unstable." But It would be extremely hard to beat the other three Mclarens.

Modified Supra TT
G's 1.1g
Slalom 71.2mph
Braking 9Xft 60-0

If the New F1 is really going to be built, Ouch, us Supras are going to be seriously hurting soon.



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You're a moron. In your lat. acceleration comparison you were comparing a stock Supra to a stock McLaren F1. The original comparison was of a modified Supra and the McLaren F1 GTR. The Gulf Racing GTR, which competed in the 1996 24 Hours of Le Mans, has a lat. acceleration of over 2 Gs. That's way more than you'll ever get out of a Supra, no matter how many modifications you do to it.<!-- Signature -->

 

There is a clip of a ferrari f40 beating the veilside supra.... so the Mclaren Defintitely would.

 

McLaren F1 GTR vs. Modified Toyota Supra

I think a modified Supra (like a Veilside or a Greddy) could beat this car in accelleration and topspeed but not in the corners!<!-- Signature -->

 

You are wrong on all accounts. Nothing short of a full race car could beat this.<!-- Signature -->

 

speed is not the tricky part of making a car its just loads of power.. a supra could beat it on speed. a denso sard supra could maybee hang on around the track but i doubt it!

 

DonŽt you have the clip the Mc Laren F1 beating the Vailside Supra?!!!
Damn,no chance for the Vailside!!!But itŽs also a cool car but too much weight!!!<!-- Signature -->

 

Damn, with so many uses of "god" in this post i feel like I'm in church (not a bad thing). There must be lots of gods out there if anything that beats a supra is god. I like Supras, don't get me wrong, but I see them as the Ferrari for people who can't afford the insurance (or the sticker price). I don't think the Supra would stand a snowball's chance in Florida IMO. While the McLaren is not a car of beauty, it IS a car of power (kinda like a pro body builder). I don't know of much that can match it much less top it.<!-- Signature -->

 

Huuuh. What people. If the supra were to beat it, it would be IN the corners dumbass, that is where the supra shines.(what it was primarily designed for) The #'s speak for themselves.

94'Supra TT Mclaren F1
Lateral G's: .98 .86
Slalom (mph) 68.9 64.5
Braking 60-0 109ft 127ft
MPG 19 11.5

If a modified Supra 6sp were to beat it, it would be IN the corners. Supra's brakes are better in the corners. It can dive further into a corner than the Mclaren as result of the G-sensor in the supra's brake system. It can hold the corner better than the regular F1. Don't give me that "those # aren't real" crap ethier, it beat it in every category but acceleration and cost. 94 Supra has 4sensor 4channel track tuned ABS system with yaw contol. It is probably the only ABS equipped car in the world that is a truly track tuned ABS system.(only one with yaw sensor) 12.6" vented front discs, with 12.4" solid rear w/ 4 fixed piston(not floating)calipers front and two piston rear STOCK. Mclaren does not have ABS at all, it has 13" front with 12" rear in carbonfiber I think. When the Supra came out, one R&T editor said, with a little suspention tweaks, the Supra TT is "the best handling car in the world." The ONLY thing the Mclaren has over the Supra, is a better Power/weight ratio and being handbuilt. Keep in mind this the 94 Supra I am comparing it to.(best year) The later models have slightly worse #. You can improve on the supra's performance numbers too, as Nils Leuven did in the turbo mag's G-games. www.to4r.com has his supra along with others. Specifically, Ken Henderson's Supra would beat a Mclaren F1. It's at www.to4r.com too. BTW, Ken's car has been modified with more power since it was put in the website. BTW, Fully modded street supras run high 8's in the q-mile, F1 ran a best 11 flat. If any car of that generation were to beat the regular F1, it would be the Modded Supra. The GT, GTR, and LM are a different story. You would need to lighten the supra, put a body kit on it to improve the aerodynamic downforce-not like it was unstable in the first place though. Mario Andretti said the Supra was and I quote, "Absoultely Stable" at top speed, and the F1 was, "Absoulutely Unstable." But It would be extremely hard to beat the other three Mclarens.

Modified Supra TT
G's 1.1g
Slalom 71.2mph
Braking 9Xft 60-0

If the New F1 is really going to be built, Ouch, us Supras are going to be seriously hurting soon.



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I donŽt want to verbally attack you but I donŽt think that the Vailside Supra would have any chance on a race track!Corner speed of the McF1 is much higher than of the Supra!!!-Compare the weight of the two cars!The lighter the better(faster)-The stability of the Mc is very good!-I donŽt know that about the Supra but the McL is FOR SURE the better car!!!
I hope McLaren is going to build a new road car,showing their sovereignty to all!!!
Peace broŽ
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<b>DonŽt you have the clip the Mc Laren F1 beating the Vailside Supra?!!!
Damn,no chance for the Vailside!!!But itŽs also a cool car but too much weight!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> the supra in the movie is not the same as the one in this site. i got everythin you need to know writhen down on the veilside supra limited 1999, under the topic "mclaren stomped this"

 

Okay,maybe this is no that Vaildside Supra in the clip-But the Mc Laren is FOR SURE the better car!-It has better performance,is very lightweight and has enough horsepower to kickz Supraz ASS!!!<!-- Signature -->

 

will you fast and furious psycos just drop it, yes the supra is a great car i have lots of respect for it- go compare it to something in its CLASS the mclaren f1 GTR WON LE MANNS i have never seen a supra do that- the mclaren f1 production has the fastest speed record for an untunned production car- i dont recall seeing a supra even a tunned one come close to its speed and by the way a mclaren f1-any f1 accelerates faster than a formula one racer<!-- Signature -->

 

A Jun Supra would be able to beat this in speed, I'm thinking, at least in top speed. I think a Denso Sard Supra would be able to keep up on a track for a while.<!-- Signature -->

 

A Mclaren GTR would dominate any form of Supra with the exeption of top speed against the JUN Supra.<!-- Signature -->

 

okay, how is a car with a friggen veilside body kit gonna beat a 636 hp supercar?

 

I am sick and tired of people saying the McLaren F1 achieves only .86g of lateral acceleration on the skidpad. It can achieve .99g. Th .86g is from the road and track test which was conducted with an american spec car with softer suspension and 300 pounds more weight. The car was also in mediocre condition, had worn tires and the temperature was 110 degrees! By the way the GTR corners at 2g, no supra can beat that.

 

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lol modified supra. but i seen a supra with 1200+ hp doin some 6 sec in the 1/4 of course it wud take only round 800 hp with a 2002 "modified" corvette to do that<!-- Signature -->

 

I have seen street legal Supras going 1 sec faster on the quarter mile than a street legal mclaren! But this car is still one of the fastest on a track!

 

THe McLaren GTR won LeMans, i did not see a supra allowed to even qualify, they are too heavy, not even the denso sard could stand with a mclaren, a suped mustang would be in the same league as a supra and probably win, but a mclaren is far out of any supra's league. The McLaren F1 accelerates faster than a formula 1 racer, so theres no way a modified McLaren wouldnt beat a supra. AS for the corners, THIS CAR WON LEMANS of course it can corner. advice: turn off the dvd player, take out the fast and the furoius and burn it, and put your head in ur ass, and keep it there, cuz you will probably see this clearer from there. Supras are heavy with a six cylinder, while a McLaren GTR ia lightweight with a 12 cyliner BMW M sports 600hp engine, TWICE THE SIZE OF A SUPRA'S ENGINE IF YOU CANT SEE THAT FROM THERE. A McLaren is mid engined, therefore, there is better traction and balance, while a supra is FR. Also there are three seats in the LM and standard F1 so you can have a girl on your right and left, cuz they will be lining up around the block to ride.<!-- Signature -->

 

a stock supra may feel like its handleing better than a mclaren (in regard to that dudes rants about the greatness of the 94 supra tt), but it certainly isnt as responsive, or going nearly as fast.

Even looking at the lateral acceleration and the slalom speed (which were i, would say for sure, invalid numbers considering the conditions of testing), you must realize that these are relative to the car itself. i believe that a car, even heavy, doesnt need to be fast at all to have huge lateral acceleration, it only needs to hold on as it throws its weight around. and the mclaren can only hold on for so long before its emense speed and power breaks kinetic friction and it flies into the weeds. and for slalom, i think the hyundai tiburon beats the mclaren with a 66 or 67 mph speed through, so you know theres a problem witht that, and that a better test should be conducted.

its inconcieveable to think that the COMPARATIVELY unbalanced, ungainly, conventionally designed supra, even with fast and furious, steroid-like turbo induced power could ever outrun any mclaren model in even modestly easy "track" conditions. to say that a prime, virtual racecar, engineered for gt racing, and to be the ultimate roadcar, weighing around 2500lbs posessing a 600+ hp v12 could be outrun by ANY car, especially a chassis like the supra, with about a half ton extra weight and 300hp stock, rediculous horsepower modded... thats a lot of nerve.

the mclaren f1 gt competed in the japanese grand tourincar championship, against the likes of nissan, honda and toyota- skyline nsx and suprea, respectively (like the team Denso Sard sponsered supra and zexel sponsered skyline). it placed anywhere from 4th to 15th in the results i found- not good. http://www.wspr-racing.com/results/jgtc/jgtc2000.html#1 for the results. considering the skylines, supras and nsx's it competes against are race bred, 2500lb - 700hp monsters, employing all of the same technology that the mclaren pioneered, sharing SHARING NO SIMILARITIES TO THEIR ROADGOING COUNTERPARTS other than looks(unlike the mclaren) , and possibly had half assed drivers, the car did all right. and judging by all the dnf's it had, it sounds like teams Take one and Hitotsuyama racing didnt know how to deal with the car anyway.

dont compare the mclaren f1 to a fast and the furious inspired car, its like comparing Franklin delano roosevelt to pres. Bush

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