I would take the Lambo but I think it would depend on the drivers if they were to race. Noone wants to admit it but they are very close in the numbers, with Lambo having a slight HP advantage and Porsche having a slight weight advantage. Keep in mind though that Porsches' listed HP tend to belie their actual potential, and Lambos might be bigger, but are ten times more aerodynamic, and that mitigates some weight difference.<!-- Signature -->
Ok first things first. The Carrera Gt is a Le Mans LMP900 race car chassis that has been turned into a road car. Same with th NA v-10, a detuned race engine. The Carrera is a race car for the road, only way to describe it. The whole chassis and suspenion design are from the race car giving awesome handling and great rigitity. Second, Speed Demon go pick up a physics text book. Center of gravity is not the most important aspect of cornering, grip is. Now you see the lambo drivetrain has a very high polar moment of inertia, making it harder to spin (turn) and harder to stop. This means the lambo needs more force to turn, and it gets its force from the tires. So if both of these cars had the same mass, but the porsche had the better powertrain design, the porsche would turn tighter and faster. Take two identical cars(except wieght), the one with a lower wieght will out corner the heavier car. Also the porsche has a drysumped engine just like the lambo, but its transmission is lower, lower the center of gravity. Third, four wheel drive only helps in forward acceleration. It does not add grip in corners. That is similar to saying that four wheel drive helps braking. If you have grip to accelerate using the engine you could of taken a better line throught the turn. Fourth, the porsche has better aero. If you look at the pictures of the carrera carefully you will see the huge rear diffuser. Underbody ground effects create more downforceand less drag than wings or other aero devices. Also the placement and angle of the wing is designed to "power" the diffuser creating even more downforce. Fifth, a =(f/m)is obeyed by everything in the universe. The F is force (horse power), m is mass (wieght), and a is acceleration. So as you decrease mass, you increase acceleration. Also if you increase force you increase acceleration. But this is just not forward (0-60) acceleration, it also includes braking. Now since each car would have about equal grip, the Carrera would out brake the lambo. Well I will just explaine polar moment of inertia. Just think of an ice skater, when they spin they pull thier arms in (pulling the mass tigher to the center of the turn). When they do this they turn faster. When they spread thier arms out again they slow down. I think the formula for the force on a car going around a constant radius corner is F = m/(r squared). This force is applied inward using the tires. So as mass increases the force increases and the need for grip increases. So the Carrera Gt even with less grip could out corner the lambo. Well if anyone can find mistakes in Newtons laws, you could probably win a nobel prize.<!-- Signature -->
Hey guys... shut up. Who cares? You argue about cars you've never driven OR owned. Life isn't about 0-60 times, and track records. If you get into a car, and you like it, buy it. Oh no, the porsche does 0-60 0.2 seconds faster! WOW! Amazing! Some people might like the sound of the Lambo better, some people might like the convertible better with the Porsche. With cars of this caliber, it really doesn't matter, does it? They're both very nice cars, so just shut up, please?
Well i would pick the Porsche ove Lambo just because i kinda like them better... yes lambo does have the bigger engine but the looks are kinda gettn uglier but for the porsche the looks are wild... i like the bigger features on the porsche and the convirtible which gives the porsche a little sportier look for the streets... but i would prefer the porshce over the lambo... i think the lambo is a really nice car with its 60 degree, aluminum alloy, V12 and the 6 speed manual which can really get you up to top speeds although it is pretty big which gives it a little of a disadvantage.. but really nice car!!!!
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Boarder4Life69</i> <b>hey guys those 2 cars should not be compared at all.......'coz the lambo kicks porsche's ass all the way..... the first murcielago bought in the world is in dubai.....and ive seen this car infront of me.....it looks even much better than it looks on the net.....its a huge car with a powerful engine...(0-60 = 3.6secs).....so no car in the world can beat the murcielago not even the ferraris 'coz they all suck......</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> "coz the lambo kicks porsche's ass all the way..." What in the world are you talking about? Almost everyone is agreeing that the Carrera GT is the better car between the two. " its a HUGE car with a powerful engine...(0-60=3.6sec)" News for you buddy the Carrera Gt also has a powerful engine is not HUGE. It is also said to go 0-60 in under 4 secs. How fast will it be? No one knows yet but it should be about as fast the Murcielago if not faster. If Porsche would've had the engine the Murcielago has then the Porsche would've been a monster!<!-- Signature -->
I'm not going to get into the debate about which car is faster, because honestly they are very close. And Elise, I understand what your saying, but there are a few mistakes. You said that 4WD does not help in handeling, when it does. It does not make handeling sharper (it might create some understeer) but it sure does increase your grip on the road, meaning there is much less possibility of spining out of control. That's not just my prediction, that is what everyone who has driven the Diablo VT and SV says. Second, the lighter car is not always the better handeling car. Science, math, and physics matter only when all factors are considdered. The Mclaren F1 weighs 1100 kg and the Porsche GT2 weighs 1440 kg (actual weight mesured over 1500 kg), but the Porsche GT2 is obviously the better handeling car; the MUCH better handeling car than the Mclaren. Weight doesn't tell you everything. Did you forget about suspension, chasis, tire width and dimensions? Center of gravity is also very important, regardless of what you said. The Diablo had a higher center of gravity, and that was perhaps its only big flaw. Because of this, the RWD Diablos could not enter turns at extreme speeds without making you loose grip, even though the VT version gave you more control and confidence in the turns. RWD and 4WD both have their advantages, though. Now the Murcielago has no problem with center of gravity, and that matters a lot; I don't care if anyone tries to convince you otherwise. The equations your using make sense by themselves, but they don't include other (important) factors.I hope you know those equations don't really tell you anything conclusive about handeling.
LAMBORGHINI ALL THE WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Carrera GT is going to suffer the same way all other Porsches with non-flat 6 engines did in the past, they may have looked OK but none sold as well as the good ol 911. Besides, the GT is being backed by Porsche. The Murcielago is being backed by the whole Volkswagen group. BIG financial difference, VW is currently investing 500 million British Pounds on the Bentley factory at Crewe, England and a similar amount at the Lambo plant in Italy. Porsche can't throw around the amount of money that VW can. Oh yeah, final point. The Lamboghini Diablo "evolved" into the SE 6.0, the VT, etc. The Murcielago may do the same!!! <!-- Signature -->
ok i've read ALL these posts and from all this i've managed to reach one conclusion: that most of this boils down to your opinion on the cars. do you like porsche or lamborghini better? do you think the carrera gt or the murcielago looks better? the two cars are very close, the only way to really settle the speed dispute would be to actually race them, and the rest of it is in the looks and history of the car & its company, and there's no point in arguing about what looks better! nevertheless, personally i prefer the porsche...
Ok first wieght is the most important thing in a cars handling, but there are other factors, and one is center of gravity. I never said that center of gravity is worthless, but just because lambo lowered thier engine a couple inches does not mean it is the best handling car ever. Suspension set up is critical to the handling of a car, you can have the perfect chassis, but if the set-up is wrong, the car would be terrible. Now the McLaren is a great handling car, the only direct comparison I have heard an owner or test driver say is that i handles better than a NSX. The NSX is one of the best handling cars on the planet. The only car the beats it in handling is the 911. The GT2 was made for the track, so its track times are low. The McLaren F1 was not made for the track, it was made as a drivers car. The GT2's suspension is hard and unforgiving, that was porsches point to recreate the evil handling 911s of the past. They may of had evil handling, but they could tear up a track. If you tuned the GT2s handling to complience and friendlyness (also same tires) of a F1, the track times will be very similar. The equations I posted tell how much grip you need, suspension setup and tires show how much grip you have. So the carreras advantages of lower polar moment of inertia and less mas means it needs less grip to take the same corner. If they had the same grip, the carrera would take corners faster. Now since the Carrera GT has better aero (remeber based off a race car) it will have lots of downforce, which means more grip. Now the Carrera GT is built off a racing car chassis, so its chassis design and center of gravity will be better. Porsche knows how to make great race cars (917 and 962) so the chassis on the Carrera GT should be no exception. And thier road cars are amzing, I was looking around online and the fastest time for the Murc was 8:11 on the 'ring. That does not beat the GT2 or the GT3. Now this car has a superior design to any of those. <!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from VileOne99</i> <b>Hey guys... shut up. Who cares? You argue about cars you've never driven OR owned. Life isn't about 0-60 times, and track records. If you get into a car, and you like it, buy it. Oh no, the porsche does 0-60 0.2 seconds faster! WOW! Amazing! Some people might like the sound of the Lambo better, some people might like the convertible better with the Porsche. With cars of this caliber, it really doesn't matter, does it? They're both very nice cars, so just shut up, please?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> nicely put.
The Diablo SV laps the nurburgring in 8 min 9 seconds, and the Diablo GT laps the nurburgring in 8 min 4 seconds. While those times are pretty good, the reason the Diablo's do not have as good times here is the GT2 and GT3 is because of their high center of gravity. Weight is not the issue, because the Porsche GT2 is almost just as heavy as the Diablo. On other tracks the Diablo's have much more impressive lap times. Now the Murcielago has a lower center of gravity and that will improve its lap times significantly, not to mention that it's faster. So the Nurburgring is no longer a snag for Lamborghini. 8 min 11 seconds is not the best it can do; I've heard times as low as 7:52 and 7:40. I wouldn't go around parading that the GT2 and GT3 could beat a Murcielago because it's just not going to happen. The center of gravity is not everything for a car, but as I said before, that was the Diablo's only big flaw. Now that it's corrected it will make a big difference. The Murcielago's downforce is very good. The latest model Diablos had a drag coificient of 0.30 (better than Mclaren), making ideal for top speed. Even with that, it still had more downforce than the Mclaren F1, even without a wing (with the wing especialy). So it handeled better at high speeds (Mario Andretti commented on the Mclaren F1's handeling and said it was very unstable at high speeds). Now the Murcielago has even more downforce than the Diablo at the cost of a slightly higher drag coefficient (0.33), and with the pop-up spoilers it is up to 0.36, but creates a whole lot more downforce. And forget, "If the Murcielago and GT had the same amount of grip, then the GT would beat it," because the Murcielago has more grip with 4WD.
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ultimate Porsche fan</i> <b>Quote from speedeemon LETS COMPARE THE FACTS LAMBORGHINI- Engine V12 0 - 60 mph 3.8 seconds Horsepower 432.5 kw / 580.0 bhp @ 7500 rpm 0 - 100 mph Not Available Transmission 6-Speed Manual Topspeed 330 kph / 205.1 mph Weight 1650 kg / 3638 lbs PORSCHE- Engine 68 degree V10 0 - 60 mph 4.0 seconds Horsepower 416.1 kw / 558.0 bhp @ Not Available rpm 0 - 100 mph Not Available Transmission 6-Speed Manual Topspeed 330 kph / 205.1 mph Weight 1250 kg / 2756 lbs CARRERA GT IS LIGHTER AND PRODUCES MORE HORSEPOWER read the facts the lambo has 22 more horsepower you dumb ass. Hey dumbass...do u think a crumby 22 horsepower will matter if the lambo is an extra freaking 882 lbs. overweight. read the other replys (TylerDruden's will make you piss your pants). less weight equals faster acceleration. Plus, it is made to take corners at speeds that would make your lambo skid off the track and go to where it belongs, the scrapyard. the 4.0 second estimated accelaration rate is not accurate. I have seen a 911 gt2 clock in at 3.6 seconds (Road at Track test), and it is heavier and less powerfull than the carrera gt. if you have anything for a brain, you will realize that the carrera gt will clock in at 3.3 if not better. with its cornering, advanced braking, and nasty acceleration it will make your fighting bull look like a cow! I am stopping myself before i write profanity about you conceded lamborgini freaks. you guys ought to learn something about cars! Murcielago is just a pretty face when compared to the Carrera GT. Damn, the Murcielago doesn't even look like a nice face, it looks like one dumb, and pouting *****. Murcielago means, "Bat". nice name, hmmm? you are willing to fork over a couple hundered thousand for something that is named a bat? that is ridiculous. i have so much more respect for the diablo than this "bat", and neither of them would win against a porsche Carrera GT. Carrera means "race" and it is a race that will leave either a diablo or a murcielaogo (bat, hahaha. what a joke) in the dust. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it. Lamborghinis forever<!-- Signature -->
Hmm.... wow, we have a life. Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. You might win, but youre still retarded.
</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it. Lamborghinis forever</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> ummmmm.....just to let you know, Murcielago is the name of a famous bull spared due to it's courage.<!-- Signature -->
Well, Porsche races in Lemans, they have my respect that they can prove themselves. I will give lamborghini more credit when they make a car that is practle to drive, easy to maintain, and can prove itself in Lemans. Untill then, it should stay in the show room, instead of some rich pimps garage for the next few decades. Porsche made a car you can drive, Lamborghini made somthing that you can look at but not touch.<!-- Signature -->
Now I need to talk about aero. The Diablo may have a drag coefficient of .30, but drag is a a function of drag coefficient times the frontal area. The F1 has a lot less frontal area then the Diablo, so it has less drag. Also the F1's fan powered downforce give it good downforce numbers. When they designed the aero on the F1 they settled on a downforce a little more than the car at 150mph. Ground effect downforce is very pitch sensitive (the reason for the F1's braking spoiler) and also the car must remain parrel to the ground. The F1 could of easliy of gotten better downforce, but if the car went over a hill or hit a bump most of the downforce would be lost. The F1 was designed to have safe handling characteristics so the car handled the same no matter what the speed, luggage (how much luggage space in a lambo), and also how much fuel. Second any road car going 217mph will have a pretty loose end (which would help handling because it easier for it to turn). Now the diablos wing does not raise the drag coefficient that much, so that pretty much means it is not working well. Look where the wing is on the Diablo GT, you would get very little downforce out of that.<!-- Signature -->
ok, when we want to talk about numbers come and consult me, because so far the Lambo has beat the GT2 and th GT3 on the nurburgring, and from the performance numbers in a straight line it also has it beat!!!, so what is ur point??? if u want to talk about a direct comparison, that is cool, i would love to see it, but so far i have seen nothing to help the Porsches case, i like the porsche and the Lambo, mind u i am a huge lambo fan, and i love the new murc, so i may be a biased, but i can not doubt that the carrera gt has alot of potential, i want to see competition in cars, it brings new cars out at a higher level of performance!!! peace if u lambo fans really want to see the fastest street legal car take a look at this car: http://www.lambocars.com/diablo/diablosejri.htm it is at toward the bottom of the page, it was the only version for the raod<!-- Signature -->
Porsche is going to put more power into the Carrera Gt and the MPH might go up to 211. At least that is what I heard from someone.
carreragtracer, look it up, u can already order the murc with an optional 6th gear ratio that takes it to a top speed of 215mph, so i still need more evidence, please show me, i tell my friends the same thing, peace<!-- Signature -->
BadCrxSi89 You are an idiot. You are such an idiot I can't describe. Do you think about what you are posting when you post it?
"CarreraGTracer What type of drugs were you using, porche and lamborghini of furous 580 horsepowered Speed Demon machine" SppedDemon24, anyone who knows anything about cars knows how to spell Porsche. So I'll assume you are stupid. And the rest of your post doesn't make sense, either.
" I don't know what carrera means and i am sure it is not traditional. " SpeedDemon... you are so stupid... It is the most traditional car name in existence. Porsches have been called Carrera since the beginning (such as in 1952 with the new carrera engine)! Ever heard of the ... Porsche 911 Carrera? One of the most famous cars ever made past and present? By the way the Miura is named after a man who was a bull breeder. Sorry, don't have much info on the other Lambos but the 350GT is definitely not named after a bull or anything associated with a bull. So enough talk about Lambo traditions being better than Porsche's. Everyone knows Porsche has more traditionÂnames, design, everythingÂand a lot more tradition, too.
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from maranello29</i> <b>" I don't know what carrera means and i am sure it is not traditional. " SpeedDemon... you are so stupid... It is the most traditional car name in existence. Porsches have been called Carrera since the beginning (such as in 1952 with the new carrera engine)! Ever heard of the ... Porsche 911 Carrera? One of the most famous cars ever made past and present? By the way the Miura is named after a man who was a bull breeder. Sorry, don't have much info on the other Lambos but the 350GT is definitely not named after a bull or anything associated with a bull. So enough talk about Lambo traditions being better than Porsche's. Everyone knows Porsche has more traditionÂnames, design, everythingÂand a lot more tradition, too.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> ahhhhhhh..... Didn't you forgot when did Lamborghini start? Of corse Porsche have more tradition, or maybe they just can't come up with names.<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from maranello29</i> <b>"Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it." uhhh..... you're an idiot...... </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Murcielago doesn't mean bat and it isn't the name of a semi-famous driver either. It's the name of a bull who, despite numerous sword hits, survived. It was decided to spare him later on because of his courage. <!-- Signature -->