Re: mustang cobra would beat this easily

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 35th Anniversary' started by 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Ok guys, here's the deal, I joined Supercar's forum thing for THIS single post. I own a 2000 Z28, not an SS. I did not know much about the Ford and Chevy competition until I bought this car. In fact the ONLY reason I chose a Camaro over a Stang was simply because I think they look better. Honestly, I thought that the Z28 and the GT ran exactly the same in the 1/4 mile. Same with the SS and the Cobra. Boy was I wrong! It did not take me long to find out that the Mustang Cobra is a 4.6, and the SS is a 5.7(as with Z28 and GT). Then I just thought, well the Stang makes it up with its 320hp that is derived from the over head cam advantage(The Camaro looses some of its displacement hp with the push-rods). Well as soon as I buy this car BAM I'm in the local race scene. I cruise my car around and talk to a lot of Stang owners to try and stir up some Chevy vs. Ford competions. I have now owned this car for 7 months and have yet to find ONE 4.6L Mustang that will race me. THEY HAVE ALL BEEN HORRIBLY SLAUGHTERED BEFORE BY CAMAROS!!!!! I could not believe it!!! I thought the Stang and the Camaro were supposed to be rivals!!!! The only cars in my power class that will race me are Trans Ams and other Camaros. Then I took my car to the local dragstrip, and this is where I leared the truth. Stock stangs were running mid to high 14's while I was running consistant low 13's all night. I really cannot say anything about the the handling of a Stang because I have never driven one. But there is NO question that in the quarter mile, I'M talking fresh from the factory BONE STOCK guys, Camaro wins not only the 1/4 mile but also all the way up to top speed. And by the way this is to whatever ignorant 14 year old posted this, when you get your drivers permit and it comes time for you to buy a car, go on ahead and buy your 320hp Cobra, come race my 310hp Z28, and you can read my plate numbers to me over your cell phone as you watch the tail end of my car just keep on walking you. It will happen everytime. And also, as I was reading through the posts and I saw that someone tryed to compare the ZL1 Camaro to the Cobra R! OMG!!!!!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there is ZERO competition, the ZL1 is now running 9's with the fine tuning, and might I add, breaking into the 230mph range leaving behind your 12 second overpriced POS with NO AIR CONDITIONING!!! And to every other person who thinks that a stock Stang can take a stock Camaro...just remember that there is no replacement for displacement. 5.7 vs. 4.6? Come on! If you want to see some of the worlds fastest Camaro's go to Motorsporttech.com. These guys make Camaros run 9's and go well over 200mph. There is even a guy named John Campell that had his heads ported from them and ran 10's in a 5.7 350 LS1 powered 1998 Z28. When he got the car he did some weight reduction and put a higher torque converter in and pulled his front wheels off the ground, HE HAS FOOTAGE. His car is also the first internally stock LS1 to run 11's on exhaust manifolds and cats, JUST WEIGHT REDUCTION! Like to see a Stang do that, lol. I'm sure the Mustang is a fine car it's just slow, and that's why more men drive Camaros because they know that the Camaro is faster and women just want a cute sports car so they get a Mustang. Ford knows how to market sports cars better and that is why this is the last year for the f-body and the Mustang will live on. I guess that's all I have to say. If you want to e-mail and gripe me out about being a Ford hater or being sexist do it at [email protected] Drive safe guys, and remember...friends don't let friends buy Fords.
     
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    <b>First off I want to give Ford credit for being the superior marketers of their product, and knowing what the women want to drive. They also deserve credit for the 320 horses(at least that's what they advertise) that the 2002 Cobra punches out. But let's face it, the Cobra takes 5.4 to get to 60, the 2002 Camaro with 345 HP(two SLP options that I seriously doubt anyone ordering an SS will overlook)takes 5.1 secs. Ok get up and go is quicker. Top MPH is 150 for a Cobra, 170 for a Camaro. Keep in mind I'm talking about the 345 hp Camaro. Looking at these numbers, STOCK numbers, which would you rather have.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    What women want to drive? You must mean the V6, and the base camaro has a V6 too.

    The 2001 Cobra produces 320 horses, that is right.

    HOW MUCH MORE DOES YOUR 345 HP CAMARO COST??
     
  3. yea this will beat a cobra. i got my ass handed to me in the quarter, but i gave him a run for his money considerin i used a little nos.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>yea this will beat a cobra. i got my ass handed to me in the quarter, but i gave him a run for his money considerin i used a little nos.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Hell yeah you got your ass handed to you. F-Bodies are pure power, you may have given him a run for his money, but like you said you used some nitrous. Thanks for telling the truth! An Honest Mustang Boy!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Does this guy do 10 sec 1/4s? That is much more than impressive with or without nos.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oh yeah it is impressive, I don't know if he runs 10's never saw if he posted it earlier, but I don't care every Mustang I see that runs 10's uses Nitrous, the one I saw that didn't he dropped higher displacment. No replacement for displacement, except forced air of course! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>OK, you guys. Let's clear this up. I've owned by Ford and Chevy and I see the strong points in both.

    First of all, the power issue. With the latest generation of Mustangs and F-bodies, the F-body has always dominated. That's why so many Camaro guys have testimony as to their superiority. However, you should NOT underestimate the new 2001 Cobras. There some very important points to make here. The 2001 Cobras are about the best SVT Cobra that Ford has made. Believe it or not they are dipping into the 13s in the 1/4 mile. In fact, in a straight line they are very close to the ram-air LS1, and the WS6. In every other way, the Mustang Cobra is a much better car. The handling, breaking, view of the road, and interior are so much better in the Cobra than the Camaro SS. Not only that but when you compare like options the Cobra is a little bit cheaper.

    Fortunately for you F-body fellas, 99% of the Mustangs on the road are not the 2001 Cobra. You'll see plenty of 99+ GTs which you can easily spank. Probably the majority of them are the V6 or the 98 and earlier GTs (which are a joke).
    So you can still drive around with ease beating up on Mustangs.

    PS: I know I'm going to get a lot of messages saying, "I killed an 01 Cobra." If you raced an 01 Cobra and it wasn't even close you either A: can't tell the difference between a 99 and an 01, B: have a modified Camaro vs a stock 01 Cobra, or C: you're lying.

    One more thing. You add a centrifugal supercharger and a couple of bolt-ons to an 01 Cobra, and now you have a 500 horse power TERROR! Vortech superchargers for new Cobras are Vortech's #1 seller and for good reason. The high rev of the Cobra engine + high torque + Vortech blower = something you don't want to be next to. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You know what Seansvette?, Your one of the few members that I can honestly say that I respect because of your well spoken and knowledgeable approach to replys to these messages. Obviously unlike many...you favor American cars....not chevy or ford...but american cars. Its pathetic how so many members bash their rivals because of looks or performance. You hit it right on the nose. People that know about cars know that the GT mustang doesnt compare in HP to the camaro, and that the SS has more HP than the Cobra. Some guys also tend to compare a 2000 model to a 2002 model in an attempt to prove their invalid points. The combination of long tube headers, x-pipe, cat system, underpullys, custom chip, cold air induction kit with bigger mass air, adjusted gears....can get the 2001 cobra to run 11 seconds in the quarter mile. Now many may argue with me on this but, I think that is pretty amazing for minor mods to get the mustang to do that kind of magic. My point is that the 4.6 is a potent engine. Also, stock vs stock, gt's get beat up by camaros, but when a mustang is modified and a camaro is modified, I have seen more camaro losses than mustang losses. My opinion is that the mustang is meant for tuning, and that the camaro already comes tuned.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Just for your information, the guys on horsepower tv took two crate motors, one ford 351ci and one chevy 350ci, both rated from the factory at 385hp and 400lbs of torque (i think, I know it was equal and the chevy one is called 'fast burn 385'). They put the EXACT same mods from the EXACT same companies into each engine (including heads, cam, lifters, roller rockers, headers, etc). In the end, the Chevy engine, with the same EXACT mods coming from the SAME exact factory ratings, produced over 100 more hp and ft lbs of torque. Just to let you know, 4.6 may be potent, but I don't know bout those modded maros losing to moded mustangs unless they are unequally moded. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ok, that is all fine and good, but you are forgetting one fundamental thing...

    Since the engines are made by different manufacturers, isn't it true that one aftermarket piece of equipment might be better suited to one engine than the other??? Just thought I'd add my two cents...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> maybe, but when your dealing w/ two pushrod style engines with the same factory allowances, almost the exact same c.u. (only 1 off, which don't really mean shit if you know your stuff), and are both american, i don't think one is better suited. plus if you watch hptv one guy is a ford guy and one guy is a chevy guy, i don't think the ford guy would let the chevy guy choose only parts better suited for the chevy, and vice versa. <!-- Signature -->
     
  6. #6 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Hoseman, if you want a low 11 second car on an fbody, Port and Polish the shit out of it, honestly, you should do that anyway if you use nitrous, of course you don't have to, but it'll be much more effecient. Port this and bore the hell out of it drop a super charger and you have a very low 10 second possibly 9 second car. The LS-1 is such an easy car to produce massive numbers out of. GM thought it out a lot when they produced it, the LT-1 is badass, that's what I dropped in my IROC, many people said an LT-1 might be better then LS-1 for my car, but the LS-1 is better and has huge potential, that's what GM left with it, Ford didn't leave much possibilities to reach a 4.6's potential part of the problem with it's low displacement, that's why so many Stangs use Nitrous or Forced Air.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are still using forced air to reach the 10s with the supercharger in the camaro, but anyways,...

    The 4.6 does have huge potential though, at least as much as an LS1. But what alot of people don't see is that mustangs respond to forced air very well, much better than LS1s do. There is just so much you can do with the 4.6. You can go for more cubes, SHM offers a 318 stroker kit and a 347 stroker that delivers tons of torque. You can SC it and get a lot immediate HP or turbocharge the mustang (turbodriveconcepts now has a twin turbo setup for 4.6s!) and get tons of immediate HP. Or go the bolt on/NA route which is what I'm doing. The aftermarket is huge for the 4.6. I'm getting port and polished heads, and to my knowledge you can bore a 2V GT more than a LS1 from what I remember. Anyways there aren't many NA 10sec street legal cars, but it probably isn't that hard, it's just cheaper to use the bottle, supercharge it, or turbocharge it.

    P.S. when you told us your ET on the cobra forum, didn't you say you might use a supercharger to get into the 12s. I'm not trying to make you look like hypocrit or nothing, because there is nothing wrong with supercharging.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    1998 Chevrolet Z28 owned by John Campell of Houston Texas:
    10.663 @ 124.02mph!!!!
    Mods:
    Heads, Cam, Stall, and Headers
    World records set:
    World's fastest N/A heads/cam LS1 - 10.663 @ 124.02
    World's fastest N/A Internally stock LS1 - 11.52 @ 115.25
    Proof:
    http://www.motorsporttech.com/ls1/index.html
    What was that about the LS1 using forced air to get into 10's? I didn't think so!!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I didn't say that there weren't ANY NA 10 sec camaros, just that they are VERY rare. Sure you LS1 guys are beating us in the NA battle, but forced air is a part of racing and mustangs respond much better to forced air than camaros especially the 4v cobras. It's not like you can stick a blower on that 10 second camaro and have it in the 9s, not a chance, it's compression ratio is way to high.

    By the way. Can you tell me what it is that gets that camaro so fast. It seems it must have a stroker kit or juice. All stock internals, stock block? How much horsepower does it have?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    BEFORE the heads were put on (when he was running 11's) he would probably be running very low 10's with a blower on it, what's your point? Actually 10's aren't the rare N/A LS1's <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> try 9's. I can name three 9 second N/A no nitrous F-body LS1's: MTI 422 Z28-9.95, ARE 427 TA-9.53, and Sam Racing 418 SS-9.86. Are there any newer model 9 second N/A no nitrous Mustangs? Just wondering.
     
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    <b>OK, you guys. Let's clear this up. I've owned by Ford and Chevy and I see the strong points in both.

    First of all, the power issue. With the latest generation of Mustangs and F-bodies, the F-body has always dominated. That's why so many Camaro guys have testimony as to their superiority. However, you should NOT underestimate the new 2001 Cobras. There some very important points to make here. The 2001 Cobras are about the best SVT Cobra that Ford has made. Believe it or not they are dipping into the 13s in the 1/4 mile. In fact, in a straight line they are very close to the ram-air LS1, and the WS6. In every other way, the Mustang Cobra is a much better car. The handling, breaking, view of the road, and interior are so much better in the Cobra than the Camaro SS. Not only that but when you compare like options the Cobra is a little bit cheaper.

    Fortunately for you F-body fellas, 99% of the Mustangs on the road are not the 2001 Cobra. You'll see plenty of 99+ GTs which you can easily spank. Probably the majority of them are the V6 or the 98 and earlier GTs (which are a joke).
    So you can still drive around with ease beating up on Mustangs.

    PS: I know I'm going to get a lot of messages saying, "I killed an 01 Cobra." If you raced an 01 Cobra and it wasn't even close you either A: can't tell the difference between a 99 and an 01, B: have a modified Camaro vs a stock 01 Cobra, or C: you're lying.

    One more thing. You add a centrifugal supercharger and a couple of bolt-ons to an 01 Cobra, and now you have a 500 horse power TERROR! Vortech superchargers for new Cobras are Vortech's #1 seller and for good reason. The high rev of the Cobra engine + high torque + Vortech blower = something you don't want to be next to. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You know what Seansvette?, Your one of the few members that I can honestly say that I respect because of your well spoken and knowledgeable approach to replys to these messages. Obviously unlike many...you favor American cars....not chevy or ford...but american cars. Its pathetic how so many members bash their rivals because of looks or performance. You hit it right on the nose. People that know about cars know that the GT mustang doesnt compare in HP to the camaro, and that the SS has more HP than the Cobra. Some guys also tend to compare a 2000 model to a 2002 model in an attempt to prove their invalid points. The combination of long tube headers, x-pipe, cat system, underpullys, custom chip, cold air induction kit with bigger mass air, adjusted gears....can get the 2001 cobra to run 11 seconds in the quarter mile. Now many may argue with me on this but, I think that is pretty amazing for minor mods to get the mustang to do that kind of magic. My point is that the 4.6 is a potent engine. Also, stock vs stock, gt's get beat up by camaros, but when a mustang is modified and a camaro is modified, I have seen more camaro losses than mustang losses. My opinion is that the mustang is meant for tuning, and that the camaro already comes tuned.
     
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    <b>OK, you guys. Let's clear this up. I've owned by Ford and Chevy and I see the strong points in both.

    First of all, the power issue. With the latest generation of Mustangs and F-bodies, the F-body has always dominated. That's why so many Camaro guys have testimony as to their superiority. However, you should NOT underestimate the new 2001 Cobras. There some very important points to make here. The 2001 Cobras are about the best SVT Cobra that Ford has made. Believe it or not they are dipping into the 13s in the 1/4 mile. In fact, in a straight line they are very close to the ram-air LS1, and the WS6. In every other way, the Mustang Cobra is a much better car. The handling, breaking, view of the road, and interior are so much better in the Cobra than the Camaro SS. Not only that but when you compare like options the Cobra is a little bit cheaper.

    Fortunately for you F-body fellas, 99% of the Mustangs on the road are not the 2001 Cobra. You'll see plenty of 99+ GTs which you can easily spank. Probably the majority of them are the V6 or the 98 and earlier GTs (which are a joke).
    So you can still drive around with ease beating up on Mustangs.

    PS: I know I'm going to get a lot of messages saying, "I killed an 01 Cobra." If you raced an 01 Cobra and it wasn't even close you either A: can't tell the difference between a 99 and an 01, B: have a modified Camaro vs a stock 01 Cobra, or C: you're lying.

    One more thing. You add a centrifugal supercharger and a couple of bolt-ons to an 01 Cobra, and now you have a 500 horse power TERROR! Vortech superchargers for new Cobras are Vortech's #1 seller and for good reason. The high rev of the Cobra engine + high torque + Vortech blower = something you don't want to be next to. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You know what Seansvette?, Your one of the few members that I can honestly say that I respect because of your well spoken and knowledgeable approach to replys to these messages. Obviously unlike many...you favor American cars....not chevy or ford...but american cars. Its pathetic how so many members bash their rivals because of looks or performance. You hit it right on the nose. People that know about cars know that the GT mustang doesnt compare in HP to the camaro, and that the SS has more HP than the Cobra. Some guys also tend to compare a 2000 model to a 2002 model in an attempt to prove their invalid points. The combination of long tube headers, x-pipe, cat system, underpullys, custom chip, cold air induction kit with bigger mass air, adjusted gears....can get the 2001 cobra to run 11 seconds in the quarter mile. Now many may argue with me on this but, I think that is pretty amazing for minor mods to get the mustang to do that kind of magic. My point is that the 4.6 is a potent engine. Also, stock vs stock, gt's get beat up by camaros, but when a mustang is modified and a camaro is modified, I have seen more camaro losses than mustang losses. My opinion is that the mustang is meant for tuning, and that the camaro already comes tuned.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Just for your information, the guys on horsepower tv took two crate motors, one ford 351ci and one chevy 350ci, both rated from the factory at 385hp and 400lbs of torque (i think, I know it was equal and the chevy one is called 'fast burn 385'). They put the EXACT same mods from the EXACT same companies into each engine (including heads, cam, lifters, roller rockers, headers, etc). In the end, the Chevy engine, with the same EXACT mods coming from the SAME exact factory ratings, produced over 100 more hp and ft lbs of torque. Just to let you know, 4.6 may be potent, but I don't know bout those modded maros losing to moded mustangs unless they are unequally moded. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ok, that is all fine and good, but you are forgetting one fundamental thing...

    Since the engines are made by different manufacturers, isn't it true that one aftermarket piece of equipment might be better suited to one engine than the other??? Just thought I'd add my two cents...<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. #10 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Hoseman, if you want a low 11 second car on an fbody, Port and Polish the shit out of it, honestly, you should do that anyway if you use nitrous, of course you don't have to, but it'll be much more effecient. Port this and bore the hell out of it drop a super charger and you have a very low 10 second possibly 9 second car. The LS-1 is such an easy car to produce massive numbers out of. GM thought it out a lot when they produced it, the LT-1 is badass, that's what I dropped in my IROC, many people said an LT-1 might be better then LS-1 for my car, but the LS-1 is better and has huge potential, that's what GM left with it, Ford didn't leave much possibilities to reach a 4.6's potential part of the problem with it's low displacement, that's why so many Stangs use Nitrous or Forced Air.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are still using forced air to reach the 10s with the supercharger in the camaro, but anyways,...

    The 4.6 does have huge potential though, at least as much as an LS1. But what alot of people don't see is that mustangs respond to forced air very well, much better than LS1s do. There is just so much you can do with the 4.6. You can go for more cubes, SHM offers a 318 stroker kit and a 347 stroker that delivers tons of torque. You can SC it and get a lot immediate HP or turbocharge the mustang (turbodriveconcepts now has a twin turbo setup for 4.6s!) and get tons of immediate HP. Or go the bolt on/NA route which is what I'm doing. The aftermarket is huge for the 4.6. I'm getting port and polished heads, and to my knowledge you can bore a 2V GT more than a LS1 from what I remember. Anyways there aren't many NA 10sec street legal cars, but it probably isn't that hard, it's just cheaper to use the bottle, supercharge it, or turbocharge it.

    P.S. when you told us your ET on the cobra forum, didn't you say you might use a supercharger to get into the 12s. I'm not trying to make you look like hypocrit or nothing, because there is nothing wrong with supercharging.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    1998 Chevrolet Z28 owned by John Campell of Houston Texas:
    10.663 @ 124.02mph!!!!
    Mods:
    Heads, Cam, Stall, and Headers
    World records set:
    World's fastest N/A heads/cam LS1 - 10.663 @ 124.02
    World's fastest N/A Internally stock LS1 - 11.52 @ 115.25
    Proof:
    http://www.motorsporttech.com/ls1/index.html
    What was that about the LS1 using forced air to get into 10's? I didn't think so!!!!!
     
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    <b>a stock camaro kicks ass. an ss would kill the cobra, and the corvette Z06 would fry it.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    An SS would kill the '03 Cobra? It doesn't beat the '01 Cobra. And both the SS and Cobra will kill the vr4.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    What!?!?!?!?! I have beaten at least a dozen 2001 Cobras in my STOCK 2000 Z28 at the track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. #12 Heyman, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Hoseman, if you want a low 11 second car on an fbody, Port and Polish the shit out of it, honestly, you should do that anyway if you use nitrous, of course you don't have to, but it'll be much more effecient. Port this and bore the hell out of it drop a super charger and you have a very low 10 second possibly 9 second car. The LS-1 is such an easy car to produce massive numbers out of. GM thought it out a lot when they produced it, the LT-1 is badass, that's what I dropped in my IROC, many people said an LT-1 might be better then LS-1 for my car, but the LS-1 is better and has huge potential, that's what GM left with it, Ford didn't leave much possibilities to reach a 4.6's potential part of the problem with it's low displacement, that's why so many Stangs use Nitrous or Forced Air.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are still using forced air to reach the 10s with the supercharger in the camaro, but anyways,...

    The 4.6 does have huge potential though, at least as much as an LS1. But what alot of people don't see is that mustangs respond to forced air very well, much better than LS1s do. There is just so much you can do with the 4.6. You can go for more cubes, SHM offers a 318 stroker kit and a 347 stroker that delivers tons of torque. You can SC it and get a lot immediate HP or turbocharge the mustang (turbodriveconcepts now has a twin turbo setup for 4.6s!) and get tons of immediate HP. Or go the bolt on/NA route which is what I'm doing. The aftermarket is huge for the 4.6. I'm getting port and polished heads, and to my knowledge you can bore a 2V GT more than a LS1 from what I remember. Anyways there aren't many NA 10sec street legal cars, but it probably isn't that hard, it's just cheaper to use the bottle, supercharge it, or turbocharge it.

    P.S. when you told us your ET on the cobra forum, didn't you say you might use a supercharger to get into the 12s. I'm not trying to make you look like hypocrit or nothing, because there is nothing wrong with supercharging.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    1998 Chevrolet Z28 owned by John Campell of Houston Texas:
    10.663 @ 124.02mph!!!!
    Mods:
    Heads, Cam, Stall, and Headers
    World records set:
    World's fastest N/A heads/cam LS1 - 10.663 @ 124.02
    World's fastest N/A Internally stock LS1 - 11.52 @ 115.25
    Proof:
    http://www.motorsporttech.com/ls1/index.html
    What was that about the LS1 using forced air to get into 10's? I didn't think so!!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I didn't say that there weren't ANY NA 10 sec camaros, just that they are VERY rare. Sure you LS1 guys are beating us in the NA battle, but forced air is a part of racing and mustangs respond much better to forced air than camaros especially the 4v cobras. It's not like you can stick a blower on that 10 second camaro and have it in the 9s, not a chance, it's compression ratio is way to high.

    By the way. Can you tell me what it is that gets that camaro so fast. It seems it must have a stroker kit or juice. All stock internals, stock block? How much horsepower does it have?
     
  12. Are you sure 2001 Cobras, cuz they do the quarter in 13.5. You probably raced 99s or your a much better driver because a '01 should not lose to a z28. Most mags can't get any difference between an '01 SS and an '01 Cobra let alone a z28
     
  13. #14 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Hoseman, if you want a low 11 second car on an fbody, Port and Polish the shit out of it, honestly, you should do that anyway if you use nitrous, of course you don't have to, but it'll be much more effecient. Port this and bore the hell out of it drop a super charger and you have a very low 10 second possibly 9 second car. The LS-1 is such an easy car to produce massive numbers out of. GM thought it out a lot when they produced it, the LT-1 is badass, that's what I dropped in my IROC, many people said an LT-1 might be better then LS-1 for my car, but the LS-1 is better and has huge potential, that's what GM left with it, Ford didn't leave much possibilities to reach a 4.6's potential part of the problem with it's low displacement, that's why so many Stangs use Nitrous or Forced Air.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are still using forced air to reach the 10s with the supercharger in the camaro, but anyways,...

    The 4.6 does have huge potential though, at least as much as an LS1. But what alot of people don't see is that mustangs respond to forced air very well, much better than LS1s do. There is just so much you can do with the 4.6. You can go for more cubes, SHM offers a 318 stroker kit and a 347 stroker that delivers tons of torque. You can SC it and get a lot immediate HP or turbocharge the mustang (turbodriveconcepts now has a twin turbo setup for 4.6s!) and get tons of immediate HP. Or go the bolt on/NA route which is what I'm doing. The aftermarket is huge for the 4.6. I'm getting port and polished heads, and to my knowledge you can bore a 2V GT more than a LS1 from what I remember. Anyways there aren't many NA 10sec street legal cars, but it probably isn't that hard, it's just cheaper to use the bottle, supercharge it, or turbocharge it.

    P.S. when you told us your ET on the cobra forum, didn't you say you might use a supercharger to get into the 12s. I'm not trying to make you look like hypocrit or nothing, because there is nothing wrong with supercharging.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    1998 Chevrolet Z28 owned by John Campell of Houston Texas:
    10.663 @ 124.02mph!!!!
    Mods:
    Heads, Cam, Stall, and Headers
    World records set:
    World's fastest N/A heads/cam LS1 - 10.663 @ 124.02
    World's fastest N/A Internally stock LS1 - 11.52 @ 115.25
    Proof:
    http://www.motorsporttech.com/ls1/index.html
    What was that about the LS1 using forced air to get into 10's? I didn't think so!!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I didn't say that there weren't ANY NA 10 sec camaros, just that they are VERY rare. Sure you LS1 guys are beating us in the NA battle, but forced air is a part of racing and mustangs respond much better to forced air than camaros especially the 4v cobras. It's not like you can stick a blower on that 10 second camaro and have it in the 9s, not a chance, it's compression ratio is way to high.

    By the way. Can you tell me what it is that gets that camaro so fast. It seems it must have a stroker kit or juice. All stock internals, stock block? How much horsepower does it have?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    LMAO!
    NO STROKER, NO JUICE, STOCK INTERNALS, STOCK BLOCK, NO FORCED INDUCTION, STOCK HEADS, STOCK CAM, NEW STALL, M/T'S: 11.52 @ 115.25 W/ A 1.505 60' 321rwhp 340rwtq
    NO STROKER, NO JUICE, STOCK INTERNALS, STOCK BLOCK, STILL NO FORCED INDUCTION, NEW HEADS, NEW CAM, STALL, M/T'S: 10.663 @ 124 W/ A 1.381 60' 415.5rwhp 390.7rwtq
    STILL DO NOT BELIEVE ME!?!?!?! www.motorsporttech.com then click on "LS1/LS6 Camaro & Firebird" then click on "Customer Cars" scroll to the very bottom and click on the red Z28 and then click on the link to his personal page. There he has pictures of everything he has ever done to his car. He is very open and tells every mod, and after he did a mod he would run it down the track and record the results and post it on his web site. He has dozens of install pics and videos. I'd like to see a 4.6 Mustang run a 10 on just heads, cam, stall, and tires! As for forced induction Mustangs do run better than Camaros yes I know. I know 3 people personally that own 10 second N/A LS1's but 2 of them are stroker motors.
     
  14. Yea in whos the the last car to get to the finish line maybe it would. <!-- Signature -->
     
  15. You should go look in the motor trend magazine. And ul see how the Chevy's 5.7 liter V-8 not only beats the Mustang cobras 4.6 in overall performance, but it gets a bit better gas mileage.
     
  16. Not only will this and therefore all camaros waste your mustang but look at the attention to detail. Mustangs are nothing but cheap. You have to modify your mustang just to get it to compete with a factory camaro.
     
  17. First off I want to give Ford credit for being the superior marketers of their product, and knowing what the women want to drive. They also deserve credit for the 320 horses(at least that's what they advertise) that the 2002 Cobra punches out. But let's face it, the Cobra takes 5.4 to get to 60, the 2002 Camaro with 345 HP(two SLP options that I seriously doubt anyone ordering an SS will overlook)takes 5.1 secs. Ok get up and go is quicker. Top MPH is 150 for a Cobra, 170 for a Camaro. Keep in mind I'm talking about the 345 hp Camaro. Looking at these numbers, STOCK numbers, which would you rather have.
     
  18. You must have read about the Cobra R, well the Cobra R only looks like a Mustang. Ford built it from the ground up to try to compete with the z06, and at $50,000 it does a poor job. Put five grand into any G.M. LS1 V-8, and the custom Cobra R will be left to shame. If this is about the Cobra that I see no the road every day you must be F-N high. Please take a 98' model or newer Z28, or TA for a test drive. See the five years of LS1 motors you have been in the dark about. Get out of your Pinto!!!
     
  19. even a stock 2002 zo6 beats the cobra R (385 hp to 405)
     
  20. i don't know how much my '96 z28 costed, i think it was something like... mid 20's(it was a gift)
    but i asure u that if u gave me $50,000 i could buy a car like mine, modify it and screw the shit out of any #$%#ing cobra out there
    (don't talk shit about the saleen s7 please, that's not a real world car)<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. how stupid are you show me one production mustang that can run with this
     
  22. hmmm...i personally like camero's better but as you all argue over what is faster i would just like to tell you that they both run the same 1/4 mile and have about a .001 sec difference in 0-60 and they both go about 168mph...so as you all fight i think you are getting your camero's and stangs mixed up. The cobra R is pimped out just like the camero ZL1 (but the ZL1 has 850hp and would blow the cobra into little peices of crap), the mustang GT and Camero Z28 are equal, the V6 models of both cameros and stangs are equal, and this is the same with the SS AND COBRA!!!!! so stop ur bickering
     
  23. Hmmm The Z28 beats the Mustang GT, the SS Camaro beats the Cobra, and in the V-6 motors the Camaro wins again. The only stock Mustang that will break 160 mph. is a Cobra R that was a very limited, rare production car, 300 or so special orders. I have never seen a Cobra R on the street, I have seen lots of z06 Vettes which the Cobra R was meant to rival against. The z06 beats the Cobra R. Horsepower may be close on all of these models, but you need to look at performance. And you could compare a ZL1 to a GT 90, but NOT a Cobra R!!!
     
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    <b>hmmm...i personally like camero's better but as you all argue over what is faster i would just like to tell you that they both run the same 1/4 mile and have about a .001 sec difference in 0-60 and they both go about 168mph...so as you all fight i think you are getting your camero's and stangs mixed up. The cobra R is pimped out just like the camero ZL1 (but the ZL1 has 850hp and would blow the cobra into little peices of crap), the mustang GT and Camero Z28 are equal, the V6 models of both cameros and stangs are equal, and this is the same with the SS AND COBRA!!!!! so stop ur bickering</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    How can you say that all of these models are equal? Stock, The SS and Trans Am Ram Air put out 325 hp compared to Cobra's 320 (not really a big difference) but the Z28 puts out 310 hp while the GT is left behind at 260... Big difference. Even the V6's can't really be compared. Camaro V6 = 200 hp, Mustang V6 = 192 hp. Sorry, GM wins. There is even an article in Fast Fords magazine that states that the SS wins the 1/4 hands down. It ran 12's in the middle of the day.
     

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