Re: mustang cobra would beat this easily

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 35th Anniversary' started by 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Chevy are killing off this model......nuff said. Chevy's suck, full stop!!! Ford are better but not by much either!!
     
  2. the top speed of a camaro SS is 159. I am not sure if that is limited or not but thats what the top speed is.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. You know you are pretty stupid. a little mustang gt could beat out a stock camero, how the hell do you think that a cobra will even stand a chance against ss. Suck Chevy's dick *****. All of you ford loving mutha #$%#ers are all the same drooling, fat asses, that don't even know the first thing about cars. on top of that what is ford going to do about big brother CORVETTE? Huh *****? That is what I thought. NO CHANCE IN HELL. <!-- Signature -->
     
  4. O.K. If anyone still has the balls to still think that the Mustang would ever come close to beating this fine peice of machinery, I encourage them to think of what would happen if the Camaro (which will come back in 2004-5) took it up a step. The engine in the SS is just a vette engine, so it would be so easy to have the Camaro throwing down 340 horses. Oh yeah and when the Camaro comes back, it will so much better than any Ford to ever have left Dearborn. My friend raced a 2000 TA with the ws6 option, and lets put it this way. The TA blew his doors off. What was my friend driving? A Mustang SVT Cobra. Right after he lost, he went to a dealer the next day and ordered a ws6 Trans-Am. He to this day will never drive a ford because they all SUCK. Whats his next buy. The mom of anybody who still likes Mustains.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. In case your retarded, you also have to go through SVT to get to even 320 hp in a damn Cobra. I'll be brutally honest, the Cobras, and all Mustangs other than the GT500 (that isnt really even a Mustang), are a peices of shit. Before I put any money into my '98 SS I whooped the Cobra R at a stop light, keep in mind I have an Automatic (Im not sure why really), I've spent about $4k on my Camaro, and Vipers cant keep up. Don't give me this BULLCRAP about Mustangs, SVT is the same as SLP dumbass. And once again, the Camaro kicks the Stangs ass.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. In case your retarded, you also have to go through SVT to get to even 320 hp in a damn Cobra. I'll be brutally honest, the Cobras, and all Mustangs other than the GT500 (that isnt really even a Mustang), are a peices of shit. Before I put any money into my '98 SS I whooped the Cobra R at a stop light, keep in mind I have an Automatic (Im not sure why really), I've spent about $4k on my Camaro, and Vipers cant keep up. Don't give me this BULLCRAP about Mustangs, SVT is the same as SLP dumbass. And once again, the Camaro kicks the Stangs ass.

    Hey i have an automatic 2002 Z28. People always say eeeww its an automatic, i say who cares. Kids think after 6 months of driving they can shift like a pro. what ever. So far never been beatin by a manual. Hey how many horses you got now, and what did you do for 4k$. to make it faster.
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from dusty427</i>
    <b>In case your retarded, you also have to go through SVT to get to even 320 hp in a damn Cobra. I'll be brutally honest, the Cobras, and all Mustangs other than the GT500 (that isnt really even a Mustang), are a peices of shit. Before I put any money into my '98 SS I whooped the Cobra R at a stop light, keep in mind I have an Automatic (Im not sure why really), I've spent about $4k on my Camaro, and Vipers cant keep up. Don't give me this BULLCRAP about Mustangs, SVT is the same as SLP dumbass. And once again, the Camaro kicks the Stangs ass.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You say that you raced a cobra r and won, and that vipers can't keep up? Umm...did you know that only 300 cobra r's were made. Every time some one with a firebird or camaro comes into a mustnag forum they say "I kicked a cobra r's ass the other day"! I really doudt it! And you say your 98 ss was still stock, you'd get you ass kicked very badly my friend. What are the chances that you'd see a cobra r, 1 in 400,000,000. And I doudt that vipers can't keep up with you, lol.
     
  8. as far as i know,a cobra R is faster then an SS camaro, but i'm not too sure, anyway, as for stock cars, well, the camaro is better, looks better, and probobly holds together better and longer,
     
  9. Look at the performance numbers. If tat isn't enough go out on the street and find out for yourself. nuff said
    F-bodies are faster
     
  10. Has anyone seen what GM put into these things? This isnt about another pavement pounding, fire breathing dragon here. This is an aniversary car. The detail work in this car is immaculate. I recently read the entire article on this car and it could have been the entire magazine. From the tires up, this car's attention to detail and respect for past Camaros is unpresidented. As far as performance goes, again, an F-body destroys a production mustang. dont give me any crap about any special edition mustangs (other than say a similar idea, like an aniversary car) . they arent even production cars and they cost outragious amounts of money. You can argue till you are blue in the face about F-body Gm's and Cobras. At least take the time to see something other than horsepower, 0-60 times, and quarter miles. <!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Did anybody hear of the 2003 mustang cobra, 390hp! Est 0-60, sub 5 seconds. That should be faster than a camaro or firebird, right? That should be enough to spank a camaro right?
     
  12. OK put it this way all mustangs suck, every one that drives one thinks there all that, the only reason the camaro is not going to be sold any more is because it isnt selling because of to high of price as where the mustang is in the low 20's. If you think that your mustang cobra r can beat the SS, well yur forgetting something, what about the ZL1 camaro uhh. and if that dosent cut it for you, we will go to the top of the line chevy agianst you top of the line ford which i assume is the cobra r, the top of the line chevy would be the ZO6, now give me a break, if you say the Cobra R could beat the Z06 i will laugh at you. You are found on road dead (ford). Chevy rules and they always will, thats all i gotta say.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from DoobieXtreme</i>
    <b>OK put it this way all mustangs suck, every one that drives one thinks there all that, the only reason the camaro is not going to be sold any more is because it isnt selling because of to high of price as where the mustang is in the low 20's. If you think that your mustang cobra r can beat the SS, well yur forgetting something, what about the ZL1 camaro uhh. and if that dosent cut it for you, we will go to the top of the line chevy agianst you top of the line ford which i assume is the cobra r, the top of the line chevy would be the ZO6, now give me a break, if you say the Cobra R could beat the Z06 i will laugh at you. You are found on road dead (ford). Chevy rules and they always will, thats all i gotta say.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->WOW<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Very nicely put<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  14. I wish someone told me that before I got my Mustang. I went out and bought a 2001 Mustang COnvertible. GOD what a disapointment. The freaking thing has trouble going up hills. TO this day I am still saving up getting ready to ditch the stang and get a Z28 or Firebird. Please for the money a Z28 is the best buy. YOu get 310hp instead of 260. Common a freakin Nissan Maxima has that in a freaking V6. So like the guy before me said FRIENDS DON"T LET FRIENDS BUY FORDS!! I know from experiance!!!!
     
  15. Would you like a Pulitzer Prize for that composistion? all i gotta say is..... WOW. that was kind of overkill for this forum though, considering it is to discuss what makes this aniversary car different from a regular SS. but hey,it couldnt have been put better. you can post what you just said everytime some loyal blue oval boy cant see beyond his blue tinted blinders. <!-- Signature -->
     
  16. Well, I do give Ford credit for pumping 320 horses outta a 4.6, I wish my Camaro had overhead cams like the bad ass ZR1 Vette (fastest Vette until the Z06). If all you Ford guys really wanna talk about something besides your 300 Cobra R's that have all been snathed up by collectors and will probabaly be never seen on the street, talk about Ford's introduction of the new GT40. OMG, this thing will kick some ass. I believe it wil be a supercharged 5.4L 32 valve V8 producing over 500rwhp!!! Even my Z28 will be afraid of this Ford. The ONLY negitive thing I can find about this car is the $100,000+ price tag, ouch. Oh well, good job Ford, I can't wait to meet one of thses on the streets, it will be fun trying to keep up to it lol.
     
  17. OK, you guys. Let's clear this up. I've owned by Ford and Chevy and I see the strong points in both.

    First of all, the power issue. With the latest generation of Mustangs and F-bodies, the F-body has always dominated. That's why so many Camaro guys have testimony as to their superiority. However, you should NOT underestimate the new 2001 Cobras. There some very important points to make here. The 2001 Cobras are about the best SVT Cobra that Ford has made. Believe it or not they are dipping into the 13s in the 1/4 mile. In fact, in a straight line they are very close to the ram-air LS1, and the WS6. In every other way, the Mustang Cobra is a much better car. The handling, breaking, view of the road, and interior are so much better in the Cobra than the Camaro SS. Not only that but when you compare like options the Cobra is a little bit cheaper.

    Fortunately for you F-body fellas, 99% of the Mustangs on the road are not the 2001 Cobra. You'll see plenty of 99+ GTs which you can easily spank. Probably the majority of them are the V6 or the 98 and earlier GTs (which are a joke).
    So you can still drive around with ease beating up on Mustangs.

    PS: I know I'm going to get a lot of messages saying, "I killed an 01 Cobra." If you raced an 01 Cobra and it wasn't even close you either A: can't tell the difference between a 99 and an 01, B: have a modified Camaro vs a stock 01 Cobra, or C: you're lying.

    One more thing. You add a centrifugal supercharger and a couple of bolt-ons to an 01 Cobra, and now you have a 500 horse power TERROR! Vortech superchargers for new Cobras are Vortech's #1 seller and for good reason. The high rev of the Cobra engine + high torque + Vortech blower = something you don't want to be next to. <!-- Signature -->
     
  18. Ok, finally the Stang may have a chance, you make a valid arguement. BUT...do not forget that Vortech makes a supercharger for the Camaro that boosts it over the 500rwhp mark, keep on adding stuff to the pony and I will keep adding to my Camaro. I'm talking stock, and the truth to that is, well... the LS1 will still pull the Cobra, you said so yourself.
     
  19. #44 SeansVette, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 2000LS1</i>
    <b>Ok, finally the Stang may have a chance, you make a valid arguement. BUT...do not forget that Vortech makes a supercharger for the Camaro that boosts it over the 500rwhp mark, keep on adding stuff to the pony and I will keep adding to my Camaro. I'm talking stock, and the truth to that is, well... the LS1 will still pull the Cobra, you said so yourself.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My friend, I'm not only going tell you that you're wrong. I'm going to show you. The 01 Cobra definately responds better to forced air.

    From Vortechsuperchargers.com

    01 F-body 418 Horse Power
    http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/yourcar/01fbody.html
    A new supercharger for a new engine. The Vortech LS1 F-Body supercharger system comes with Vortech's new V-9 supercharger. The seamless integration and obvious attention to detail will impress you but wait until you hit the gas pedal. 418 horsepower and 414 ft/lbs of torque can be attained on "ram air" models with unmodified engines! 398 horsepower and 403 ft/lbs of torque can be attained on "non-ram air" models with unmodified engines.

    01 Mustang Cobra 464 Horse Power
    http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/yourcar/01mustang_cobra.html
    One of our best selling systems, this Cobra system will impress you with the obvious attention to detail and fully integrated appearance. Performance is awesome. The Cobra's 4.6 four-valve engine really responds to supercharged boost. Bolt one of these systems on an unmodified engine and feel 464 horses screaming under your feet.
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  20. #45 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002
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    Ok, Ok, your right, I got a little hp happy putting it over 500. But back to the basic point, stock the Camaro still pulls. When I first bought mine i started looking into making it faster, as we all do=). I looked at many things including price, installation, and 1/4 mile times. Now I would like to show YOU something. Look at the price at your supercharger. I'm sure that you will agree that using this supercharger would drop my Camaro easily into 12's as with a Cobra. Now go here:
    http://www.ls1speed.com/power%20package/ls1_power_packages.htm. Now scroll all the way to the bottom and look at the last one. 11.4-12.0 1/4 mile times for $3899.00 INSTALLED price!!! Now I called these guys and they told me that superchargers are over rated if you compare them to a good set of ported heads a bigger cam upgrade and freeing up the exhaust a bit. WOW! I'm sure that Stangs would show the same types of gains with ported heads and a cam. So let's just please stop bickering about power adders and get back to stock, because in truth, whatever you do to a Mustang, you can do to a Camaro and the Camaro will still be faster. Look at the stock numbers...320hp in a Cobra and 310 in a Z28, I have yet to race a 2001 Cobra but i bet I will still beat it. The horsepower really does not apply to Cobras because they can't really get it all to the ground like the Camaro can. Don't you own a Vette? You know the way the LS1 works. They run mid to low 13's fresh outta the box! You said that the 2001 Cobra will just barely pull off a 13. I have seen them at the track!!! I have also seen supercharged Cobras run mid 12's and supercharged Camaros run low 12's. IT IS NO SECRET AT THE STRIP!!! The Stang may win handling, but in the 1/4, STOCK or EVEN mods regardless of the dyno tester the real truths are all displayed up on the screen at the strip. My personal best in my STOCK Z28 with STOCK tires is a 13.3 @ 103. And I have 310rwhp and I have yet to see a stock Cobra in my same weather conditions, on my same track, fresh out of the factory, run better than that, and that is just the plain truth. The Stip does not lie my friend. The LS1 owns domestic 4 seater sports cars in the 1/4 mile.
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SSCamaroSS</i>
    <b>I wish someone told me that before I got my Mustang. I went out and bought a 2001 Mustang COnvertible. GOD what a disapointment. The freaking thing has trouble going up hills. TO this day I am still saving up getting ready to ditch the stang and get a Z28 or Firebird. Please for the money a Z28 is the best buy. YOu get 310hp instead of 260. Common a freakin Nissan Maxima has that in a freaking V6. So like the guy before me said FRIENDS DON"T LET FRIENDS BUY FORDS!! I know from experiance!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Did you buy a v-6 convertible, or gt?!? Cause if you bought a gt and have trouble going up hills then you must keep it in first gear and have the parking brake on! I own a 2001 hardtop gt, and up a very steep mountian near were I live, I can easily hit 90mph!! And still have lots of rpm's left for more.
    Now as far as this whole thread saying that a cobra would beat this camaro, yes! What did I just say? Yes? What am I talking about? The 2003 cobra! 390HP!! And still it will probably cost the same or less than this camaro! Yes when the new cobra is released it will be bitting at the heels of the vette z06 and won't even be in the same league as the camaro and firebird! As far as the 2001 cobra vs the camaro, they are so close that it really depends on the driver. Which ever car has the best driver, is the car that will win.
    Know for all the people saying they beat a cobra r witha camaro, NO. The cobra r can hold it's own against a z06(even beat it on a race track), and a z06 can kill a camaro or firebird, so do the math!
     
  22. I can't wait to meet an '03 on the streets then. And I still haven't seen an '01 STOCK Mustang beat any STOCK LS1. But I do know of a guy here that runs 14.03's in his 1998 LS1 Z28, and if the '01 are supposedly running 13's(which I have yet to see) then I guess it may have a chance.
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 2000LS1</i>
    <b>I can't wait to meet an '03 on the streets then. And I still haven't seen an '01 STOCK Mustang beat any STOCK LS1. But I do know of a guy here that runs 14.03's in his 1998 LS1 Z28, and if the '01 are supposedly running 13's(which I have yet to see) then I guess it may have a chance.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I am speaking about the 01 Cobra of course, not the GT. The 01 Cobra not only has about the same 1/4 mile time as the Camaro SS, it's a better all around race car. If were looking at NEW cars, I would definately buy a Cobra over the SS, and I would buy a Z28 over the GT.

    Now I'm definately not saying "Chevy sucks", I own one myself. I just love ALL American cars and I think the Ford vs Chevy thing is rediculous. Chevy makes cars like no other, such as the Corvette Z06 with $250,000 worth of performance packed into a $50,000 car. The Camaros have ruled the roads throughout the 90s and 00s. Ford has some great cars too, right now the 01 Mustang Cobra is about the nicest $29,000 car you can buy IMO. No one in the world has an answer to to Ford's 01 Lighting, a 4800 lbs truck that can do 13s and it has 380 horse power and 450 lbs of torque STOCK. Not bad for a $30,000 pick up truck. Dodge has the Viper, which has quicky became the standard from which other cars are judged. In my opinion the Viper Hennessy one of the top 5 performing production cars ever made, anywhere. (yes, I know, it's technically not considered "stock")

    So let's just all get along. If you want to vent, just do what I do. Go into the Japanese Car forums and spam the hell out of them with issues like front wheel drive, bang for the buck, and torque. <!-- Signature -->
     
  24. I do agree with you COMPLETELY about the 800TT, awesome car even though it's not stock. I wouldn't mind having one =). As for the Ford Lightning that is an awesome feat by Ford 13's STOCK in a pickup! I was watching Speedvision the other day and they said something about Dodge making a truck that will get the Viper V10 and is supposed to be able to compete with the Lightning in the sport truck arena. That will be an interesting battle to see. The Cobra has the handling that the SS lacks, but back to the original post I assume he was talking about a 1/4 mile and I still have yet to see a Cobra run a 13, and when I do I'll let it go. But this car will loose to no Cobra in the 1/4 YET. I like Mustangs but they are not as fast as LS1's in the 1/4.
     
  25. I hear you. Mustang has been the Camaro's whipping boy for so long that you'll have to see it to believe it.

    It looks like Ford has finally got their act together when they brought back the SVT Cobra (after taking a year off in 2000 to work out its problems). Not only that but there is talk about the 2004 Cobra being SUPERCHARGED! Or having an SC option. Ford is saying watch for the GT to start having more power, and there's even talk about comming out with an OHC Boss 302.

    The irony is that just when it looks like Ford is going to at least TRY to keep up with the LS1, Chevy decides to discontinue the F-body. I'm not saying Chevy ran out of fear because I know that's not the case. I just think it sucks because I would have loved to see some real competition. <!-- Signature -->
     

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