Re: mustang cobra would beat this easily

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 35th Anniversary' started by 2000LS1, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Hoseman, if you want a low 11 second car on an fbody, Port and Polish the shit out of it, honestly, you should do that anyway if you use nitrous, of course you don't have to, but it'll be much more effecient. Port this and bore the hell out of it drop a super charger and you have a very low 10 second possibly 9 second car. The LS-1 is such an easy car to produce massive numbers out of. GM thought it out a lot when they produced it, the LT-1 is badass, that's what I dropped in my IROC, many people said an LT-1 might be better then LS-1 for my car, but the LS-1 is better and has huge potential, that's what GM left with it, Ford didn't leave much possibilities to reach a 4.6's potential part of the problem with it's low displacement, that's why so many Stangs use Nitrous or Forced Air.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. nos is for pussies though. yea i know i use it but its for ricers and i dont really like it. im thinking about getting rid of that and dropping in a supercharger with different gears or something. what do yall think? and the camaro i raced had some REAL mods done to it. i think he coulda easily broke 11. the front of my car was at the back of his car. it was a street race though so i dont know what we ran. id say about mid to low 12. i would rather have a camaro tho. what do yall think?<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>Hoseman, if you want a low 11 second car on an fbody, Port and Polish the shit out of it, honestly, you should do that anyway if you use nitrous, of course you don't have to, but it'll be much more effecient. Port this and bore the hell out of it drop a super charger and you have a very low 10 second possibly 9 second car. The LS-1 is such an easy car to produce massive numbers out of. GM thought it out a lot when they produced it, the LT-1 is badass, that's what I dropped in my IROC, many people said an LT-1 might be better then LS-1 for my car, but the LS-1 is better and has huge potential, that's what GM left with it, Ford didn't leave much possibilities to reach a 4.6's potential part of the problem with it's low displacement, that's why so many Stangs use Nitrous or Forced Air.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are still using forced air to reach the 10s with the supercharger in the camaro, but anyways,...

    The 4.6 does have huge potential though, at least as much as an LS1. But what alot of people don't see is that mustangs respond to forced air very well, much better than LS1s do. There is just so much you can do with the 4.6. You can go for more cubes, SHM offers a 318 stroker kit and a 347 stroker that delivers tons of torque. You can SC it and get a lot immediate HP or turbocharge the mustang (turbodriveconcepts now has a twin turbo setup for 4.6s!) and get tons of immediate HP. Or go the bolt on/NA route which is what I'm doing. The aftermarket is huge for the 4.6. I'm getting port and polished heads, and to my knowledge you can bore a 2V GT more than a LS1 from what I remember. Anyways there aren't many NA 10sec street legal cars, but it probably isn't that hard, it's just cheaper to use the bottle, supercharge it, or turbocharge it.

    P.S. when you told us your ET on the cobra forum, didn't you say you might use a supercharger to get into the 12s. I'm not trying to make you look like hypocrit or nothing, because there is nothing wrong with supercharging.
     
  4. Actually on the forum I wanted to know what would be better, I would like to use Turbo cuz 330hp at the wheels is enough to get me off the line and the turbo lag could benefit that way, then when it kicks in, WATCH OUT! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> I'm not fond of Superchargers cuz I don't want my belts doing more than they should. But I also heard they don't make a good turbo kit for my car, so I'm not sure yet. But I don't know if you knew this but when I ran my car a few weeks ago I went 13.17! With the original tranny, and LT-1! I know I could go 12's easily but my clutch was slippin' and I didn't want to run it again. So I'm not worried using forced air to reach twelves, I have a twelve second car already! I'm gonna keep with the NA approach and port and polish the shit out of it, and maybe get another exhaust I'm not sure yet my 3.5 flowmasters are pretty sweet and mean sounding too. Even Mustang boys look to see what monster is making that sound. We all know how loud Mustangs can get, but I still hate em <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Anyway the first thing I'm gonna do is rebuild the tranny and get new tires that's my initiative and I bet my car will do 12's consistantly. I love my car, and I can't wait to race this 03 Slowbra comming out! I still think there's only so much you can do with a 4.6 seeing how all my friends who have em can't do more than 11 lows or 10 high's before using nitrous. they've tried it all, the only thing I've seen one of them do to run 10 lows is drop a 427 in it! Mustang body with an Old Cobra Heart is what I call it! I hate the Foxbody, but it's light and it helped him so oh well! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  5. dan--->NO mustangs are slow,and blow,nuff said. you cannot understand how fast this car is,i know a guy that owns one,i also know a guy with a 1999 modified cobra,the cobra has a supercharger,the camaro is 100% stock and spanked it to 60,and on the quarter,so your gonna tell me that a cobra will beat this car yet when somebody threw a blower on there and cant take a stock SS camaro? NO dumbass
     
  6. I hate the people who start these posts, they make the rest of us ford people look bad, i am the owner of such a 96 cobra, yes a SS whould whop my A$$ in the 1/4, The only match to the last SS would be the 2003 cobra with 390bhp, but the down side to the SS is it's ill handling, and not so modern styling, if they shortened it a bit, and did some restyling to resemble the 67-69, hell i would buy one but until then i'll take the cobra, and remeber to each his own<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SoupedUpSupra</i>
    <b>LOL, a Ford? That's like a Pinto beating a Corvette. Yup, Ford is the company that brought you the great Pinto! The only good Chevrolet is the Corvette anyway. It was the pioneer of V8 American cars. The Camaro is just a lower-class sports car.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Oh poor missinformed idiot, the precursor to modern v8's was the flat head ford the first one piece 90 degree v8, made well back in the 20's and the first corvettes had v6s, Ford brought us the pinto, Geo owned by GM brings us the Metro with the avalible 3 cyl. 75bhp engine, AMC was owned by the chrysler corp. brought us the pacer, and gremlin, the reason car makers make such cars is to make a profit, also ford brings us such other cars as jaguar's Land Rover's and Aston Martin's, chevy also brings us the chevelle, nova, and the corvair. In fact i belive that american manufactures have brought us almost all the inovations for modern cars, where as the japanese just copy american inovation, I love all cars i just have a pention towards american cars, they are less expensive, more redaly avalible and when modified are just plain faster per dollar spent, what other country can produce a car the beats a lamborgini diablo in the 1/4 and only costs $35000?(2001 saleen s281 supercharged), and lets not forget the king of the street the stryker twin turbo'd viper pusshing out a massive 1,000bhp<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. FORD SUCKS..it has been proven over and over and over and over that camaros take mustangs...why cant you retards get that through ur fat heads??? Before you start a topic like this, do a little research so you dont embarrass yourself...cause a mustang cobra would be tourn apart by this car
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from DownWithImports</i>
    <b>FORD SUCKS..it has been proven over and over and over and over that camaros take mustangs...why cant you retards get that through ur fat heads??? Before you start a topic like this, do a little research so you dont embarrass yourself...cause a mustang cobra would be tourn apart by this car</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Ok...let's end this now...the only Cobras that can beat this car are the Cobra R and the supercharged 2003 Cobra. Other than that the LS1 can take the STOCK N/A 4.6 anyday. Case closed!
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CorvetteZ06BadAss</i>
    <b>Hoseman, Did you say that no bone stock Z28 can run 12.9? Well try 12.66 for the fastest stock LS1 Camaro... yes you seen right 12.66, and another guy hit 12.89... Yes, this was in cold weather, and all the perfect settings, but it still hit it..AND MMFF hit 12's in the middle of the day with the SS.. Im sure the SS is cable of atleast 12.8's or lower..</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    BS
     
  11. ok you guys are all stupid......different camaros are better than different mustangs.....different mustangs are better than different camaros.....so shut up...what are you gonna compare your ZL1 PROTOTYPE to....stop trying to compare your ZL1 monster (yes it is a monster i will admit) to every mustang....when it goes into production then you can compare...i saw a video of it and its a track killer. with few mods and drag tires it ran a good 9. i dun think it will become a production car though so dont get your hopes up camaro fans..i am a fan of alllll american muscle im on any american side againsed Sushi burners not mustang vs. chevy. ill tell you what though production wise...that new Venom Viper 800 TT will #$%#in CRUSH anything that goes up againsed it...i mean cummon, 0-100 in 6.5? ouch thats about as fast as a #$%#in integra goes from 0-60

    Ricky
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i>
    <b>Are you sure 2001 Cobras, cuz they do the quarter in 13.5. You probably raced 99s or your a much better driver because a '01 should not lose to a z28. Most mags can't get any difference between an '01 SS and an '01 Cobra let alone a z28</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->My best friend Payton has a yellow 5spd 2001 Cobra and his best is a 13.98!!! He ran that with $1,300 worth of exhaust work! And boy I ran a 13.3 @ 103 with my friggin STOCK tires in my 2000 M6 Z28!!! After I put 500 miles on my car to break in the engine I took it straight to the track and ran that number!!! Besides suspension the only difference between the SS and the Z28 is the hood and the spoiler. And the ram air on the SS is like a friggin maze and it only gains it about 15hp. I have NEVER been beaten by a STOCK SS and I have never been beaten by a STOCK 4.6 Cobra, that is until the 2003 comes out, and even then I will not loose to a STOCK N/A 4.6 Cobra EVER, if we are racing at the same altitude, end of story!!! BTW I'm about 3000 feet above sea level. John's Z28 was ran in Houston at sea level, and I bet if I ran there then I might even be able to bust a 13.0 or even a 12.9! But I will never know because I have done a lot of mods to my car now. Screw magazines!!! I believe what I see with my own eyes at the strip!!!
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from z28infront</i>
    <b>You must have read about the Cobra R, well the Cobra R only looks like a Mustang. Ford built it from the ground up to try to compete with the z06, and at $50,000 it does a poor job. Put five grand into any G.M. LS1 V-8, and the custom Cobra R will be left to shame. If this is about the Cobra that I see no the road every day you must be F-N high. Please take a 98' model or newer Z28, or TA for a test drive. See the five years of LS1 motors you have been in the dark about. Get out of your Pinto!!! </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Accually Chevy built the Z06 to compete with the Cobra R, not the other way around
     
  14. Mabey a mustang cant beat a camaro, but in the 60's FORD made the GT40 and it (a 40 year old car) will smoke an 2002 ss! If u look at the FORD GT40 u can see the new corvette's body (GM copied!)in the GT40. The GT40 was way ahead of its time.
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 2000LS1</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i>
    <b>Are you sure 2001 Cobras, cuz they do the quarter in 13.5. You probably raced 99s or your a much better driver because a '01 should not lose to a z28. Most mags can't get any difference between an '01 SS and an '01 Cobra let alone a z28</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->My best friend Payton has a yellow 5spd 2001 Cobra and his best is a 13.98!!! He ran that with $1,300 worth of exhaust work! And boy I ran a 13.3 @ 103 with my friggin STOCK tires in my 2000 M6 Z28!!! After I put 500 miles on my car to break in the engine I took it straight to the track and ran that number!!! Besides suspension the only difference between the SS and the Z28 is the hood and the spoiler. And the ram air on the SS is like a friggin maze and it only gains it about 15hp. I have NEVER been beaten by a STOCK SS and I have never been beaten by a STOCK 4.6 Cobra, that is until the 2003 comes out, and even then I will not loose to a STOCK N/A 4.6 Cobra EVER, if we are racing at the same altitude, end of story!!! BTW I'm about 3000 feet above sea level. John's Z28 was ran in Houston at sea level, and I bet if I ran there then I might even be able to bust a 13.0 or even a 12.9! But I will never know because I have done a lot of mods to my car now. Screw magazines!!! I believe what I see with my own eyes at the strip!!! </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    That's great that you haven't been beaten, but get ready for a Cobra owner who CAN drive. They get mid 13s and trap in high 100s. And you would never get a 12.9 stock, but then again you don't see many stock cobras neither.
     
  16. You said (I don't feel like wasting a whole page): BEFORE the heads were put on (when he was running 11's) he would probably be running very low 10's with a blower on it, what's your point? Actually 10's aren't the rare N/A LS1's try 9's. I can name three 9 second N/A no nitrous F-body LS1's: MTI 422 Z28-9.95, ARE 427 TA-9.53, and Sam Racing 418 SS-9.86. Are there any newer model 9 second N/A no nitrous Mustangs? Just wondering.

    I knew that some camaros had broken into the 10s NA, but there are NO 9 second camaros w/o forced air, nitrous, or stroker. As I said camaros got us stangers beat NA, but we got you beat with forced air. And forced air is a part of racing, heck put on a Vortech s/c and you got 460 horsepower on a Cobra. How much does it cost to get the camaro 10s NA.
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 2000LS1</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i>
    <b>Are you sure 2001 Cobras, cuz they do the quarter in 13.5. You probably raced 99s or your a much better driver because a '01 should not lose to a z28. Most mags can't get any difference between an '01 SS and an '01 Cobra let alone a z28</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->My best friend Payton has a yellow 5spd 2001 Cobra and his best is a 13.98!!! He ran that with $1,300 worth of exhaust work! And boy I ran a 13.3 @ 103 with my friggin STOCK tires in my 2000 M6 Z28!!! After I put 500 miles on my car to break in the engine I took it straight to the track and ran that number!!! Besides suspension the only difference between the SS and the Z28 is the hood and the spoiler. And the ram air on the SS is like a friggin maze and it only gains it about 15hp. I have NEVER been beaten by a STOCK SS and I have never been beaten by a STOCK 4.6 Cobra, that is until the 2003 comes out, and even then I will not loose to a STOCK N/A 4.6 Cobra EVER, if we are racing at the same altitude, end of story!!! BTW I'm about 3000 feet above sea level. John's Z28 was ran in Houston at sea level, and I bet if I ran there then I might even be able to bust a 13.0 or even a 12.9! But I will never know because I have done a lot of mods to my car now. Screw magazines!!! I believe what I see with my own eyes at the strip!!! </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    That's great that you haven't been beaten, but get ready for a Cobra owner who CAN drive. They get mid 13s and trap in high 100s. And you would never get a 12.9 stock, but then again you don't see many stock cobras neither.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    I still have not seen one run a 13.3 which is what I ran straight outta the box with 500 miles on the engine. If he CAN drive he'll still be behind me, not by much but he will be.
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i>
    <b>You said (I don't feel like wasting a whole page): BEFORE the heads were put on (when he was running 11's) he would probably be running very low 10's with a blower on it, what's your point? Actually 10's aren't the rare N/A LS1's try 9's. I can name three 9 second N/A no nitrous F-body LS1's: MTI 422 Z28-9.95, ARE 427 TA-9.53, and Sam Racing 418 SS-9.86. Are there any newer model 9 second N/A no nitrous Mustangs? Just wondering.

    I knew that some camaros had broken into the 10s NA, but there are NO 9 second camaros w/o forced air, nitrous, or stroker. As I said camaros got us stangers beat NA, but we got you beat with forced air. And forced air is a part of racing, heck put on a Vortech s/c and you got 460 horsepower on a Cobra. How much does it cost to get the camaro 10s NA.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    I never said 9's with no stroker. Of course there aren't, there aren't any non-FI non-nitrous non-stroker 9 second Stangs either.
    I will give you some estimates on the cost John spent to get his LS1 runnin 10's NA:
    Stage II heads - $2800
    566 Cam - $450
    Stall - $600
    LS6 Intake - $450
    FLP Headers - $1300
    Total - $5600
    If you own a 2001 or 2002 F-body then it comes with the LS6 intake so really you can spend about $5150.
    That's about it for engine work that he paid for, the rest is freed up air flow coming in, he just cut up his air box. Not too bad especially good for street racing when someone asks him to pop his hood and they don't see nitrous, sc, or tc and they certainly don't expect it to be a 10 second car. You really should check out his site.
     
  19. Yeah, that is cool to pop the hood, looks stock, and then you run 3 seconds faster than anyone thinks! Complete sleeper. Besides, it's not that obvious to see a stroker engine and you won't tell if there are new heads. Anyways, the person who created this is rigth. A '03 Cobra would beat this easily. And it would be foolish to think that beating a '01 is easy. But then again its never stock vs. stock. By the way, installing the headers/cams/cyl. heads would take 20+ hours and cost mucho $$$ plus the 5100$ while putting on a s/c is basically a bolt-on now.
     
  20. vettes were made before the GT40<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. dang skippy they were, and so were maro's i think. MARO'S RULE!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BigJoeT</i>
    <b>even a stock 2002 zo6 beats the cobra R (385 hp to 405)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The cobra R was meant to compete against the same year model corvette that also has 385hp. Obviously the next year vettes will have more HP. so your comparing a 2000 vs a 2002? In that case, you should compare the 2002 Z06 to the 2005 Cobra R.
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Odin</i>
    <b>how stupid are you show me one production mustang that can run with this</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    S-351 Saleen..A production Mustang, or the S281E a production Mustang, or the 400HP SVT Cobra A production mustang..Ummm...Cobra R another production mustang limited to 300 for one year. Roush, another production mustang.
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LegendNH</i>
    <b>the top speed of a camaro SS is 159. I am not sure if that is limited or not but thats what the top speed is.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I believe both Chevy and Ford have limiters on their cars. With the limiter off, it would definatly have a higher top speed.
     
  25. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from FEF84</i>
    <b>In case your retarded, you also have to go through SVT to get to even 320 hp in a damn Cobra. I'll be brutally honest, the Cobras, and all Mustangs other than the GT500 (that isnt really even a Mustang), are a peices of shit. Before I put any money into my '98 SS I whooped the Cobra R at a stop light, keep in mind I have an Automatic (Im not sure why really), I've spent about $4k on my Camaro, and Vipers cant keep up. Don't give me this BULLCRAP about Mustangs, SVT is the same as SLP dumbass. And once again, the Camaro kicks the Stangs ass.

    Hey i have an automatic 2002 Z28. People always say eeeww its an automatic, i say who cares. Kids think after 6 months of driving they can shift like a pro. what ever. So far never been beatin by a manual. Hey how many horses you got now, and what did you do for 4k$. to make it faster.
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    People have a misconception about transmissions. I good example of a brutal Powerhouse is the Mustang BOSS that raced against the ZL1. The mustang Boss is an automatic....0-60 in 1.9 seconds.
     

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