Re: My S2000 beats any car.

Discussion in '2000 Honda S2000' started by VR4, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from brianboucher33</i>
    <b>Are u guys fruckin stupid, the american cars put out large numbers of power, but how does the car look, it TOTALLY, and i mean TOTALLY looks like SHIT. All the cars look so old and shit man, how can u like an american car????</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    God I hate newbies.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. every one should bow down in respect to seansvette, guibo,and browndoggie. they are really car lovers.

    vettes are the ultimate blend of tire shredding power and handling. anyone who says vettes can't handle probably rode the short bus to school. i agree with the others that it is mostly the driver. you can have the fastes car in the world and still lose if you can't drive.

    the s2000 has 120hp/1liter. so what. it only has 2 liters. if it they could make a 5.7 120/1liter engine then i would be impressed, i asume every else would be too.

    if i'm not mistaken seansvette has shown that americans make fast cars for less money

     
  3. I have no doubt that your car did a 13.7 in the 1/4, but i do have a hard time believing that you beat all the cars that you claim you beat.... they are just plain faster than that.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. "How can u like American cars???"

    That guy was obviously named after the water boy for a reason. "Ma...my...my momma said Am...America...n cars s....is...the Devil!!"

    IS300 - Really, now, I'm qualified to talk about the S2000? What makes you qualified to take shit about Mustangs? Is there a qualification on breathing here, because if so, I think many of our problems would already be solved.

    I DON'T believe that your S2000 turns 13.7. Your comment about beating Sean's 'Vette allready proved your stance as the quinticential Rice boy. But I'll take this one step further, since you've persisted on being a snobby wanna-be car connisuer.

    Besides the unlikelyhood of you being a College student and having so many expensive-ass cars (who's your dad? Alan Sheppard? Brett Hall, maybe?) the ONLY performance upgrade you mentioned to your S2000 was an HKS Exaust system. And THAT brought you to a 13.7, from the stock 14.8. Yeah. OK. No - you better come up with something better than "Exhaust" to make a believable 13.7 second Honda. I suppose you have a time slip for us, to?

    We've covered HP/Liter before, I'm not going to get into this. But if you must press the point... John Force's Mustang gets 600 HP/Liter, find a Japanese car that beats THAT specific output, suckers.
     
  5. Browndoggie- You spelled so many words wrong in your ranting, that i cant make sense of it. Anyway, a stock S2000 runs a 13.9 1/4 mile, not 14.8. Road and track can do the 14.8, and it got faster every time they tested it after that. So, is it more believe able to gain .2 seconds over factory with intake and exaust mods? What do you drive, by the way?<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. I drive a 1966 Pro-Street Mustang that has run a best of 12.36 at Seattle International Raceway, I've got $15,500 invested; it has a bad-ass system, nice paint job, cool seats, and a 438.6 Horsepower motor I, myself, built, thank you. So no, you're rice-mobile doesn't scare me.

    Road & Track is legendary for writing faster times than any other literary vehicle source. I've never heard anything faster than 14.8, where the hell are you getting 13.9 stock? I've got sources to back up everything I say, just like Seansvette and Guibo. All you've done is make up arbitrary bullshit and whence proven wrong, make up something else to try and compensate. List a viable source for the 13.9-second quarter mile of an stock S2000. A Mustang GT runs 14.5 with 20 more Horsepower and a solid rear axle, and weighs 250 lbs more.

    And what did I spell wrong that kept you from being able to read my post? Is anyone else having these problems? I can read my posts...
     
  7. Ford had an inline-4 engine in the early 20's that had one spark plug on each side of the head. Of course, there were no fuel injectors.

    Elliptical combustion chambers do exist. They are supposed to be very efficient. They're like heart shape, Hemispherical, or egg-shape combustion chambers, they all have different properties. Different shaped port sizes include oval-port and rectangular port heads/intake manifolds, but I've never heard of eliptical shaped cylinders before.

    When an engine is moving at high rpm, there tends to be some twisting force on the pistons. While not great, this effect may have adverse consequenses with oval-shaped pistons, due to the 1/10,000 of an inch tolerances at the rings. The pistons would create a frictional value that would quickly destroy the heart of the motor, the rotating assembly.

    But just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
     
  8. Cool, BrownDoggie. It's just a guess, but I think this guy had a good deal of money. He said his other cars included Koenig Ferraris and a genuine Shelby Cobra and that he was number four on the official McLaren F1 waiting list. I asked him about how he made the engine and he said that most of the challenge was finding the machining equipment that was precise enough to do it. He also invested a huge amount of time (and, I assume, money) into programming the timing, which might have something to do with the reason that he doesn't have to worry about the "twist" effect.

    Where'd you learn about engines? I know a good deal about cars in general, but most of what I know comes from my knowledge of physics. It's not like I can't tell the difference between a pushrod and a dipstick, but there are some things I don't know, and I'd love to know more about the small-scale mechanics of the engine. Any ideas where I might find it?<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. #159 Guibo, Aug 9, 2002
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    For info about how engines work, go to www.howstuffworks.com.

    Oval pistons were used in the Honda NR750 motorcycle of the early 90's, which was more of an engineering concept, not really a production motorcycle. Try to search for it on Yahoo and you may get some technical info.
     
  10. Honda had a motorcycle with oval cylinders? I never new that, that's fascinating. I've allways liked Honda Motorcycles. CBR 929, Baby!!

    Well, when I was 15 Richard (Richs72Goat), our friend Chris and myself all put $500 into a 1971 Pontiac LeMans T-37 that Rich's uncle owned. We raced it, and got all tickets for driving without having a license. Since then, we moved on, finished High School, and all have had our own share of street machines. Richard's is still the fastest, a 1972 GTO. Anyway, I asked questions first, then got into engines and helped my friends repair them. The more I helped people out, the more I learned. I just love everything about them.

    But not that anyone cares about my personal history. Pickup a repair/restoration manual about your favorite vehicle, even if you don't have one, and read it. It's more fun (and cheaper) to get a shitty car, and fix it up, customizing it as you go, then pay overhead to get a restored one.

    Anyway... the fact that Honda had oval-shaped cylinders is fascinating.
     
  11. IS300: What college do you attend? And if you do attend college (I'm not talking about Florida Community College) why the hell do you drive an S2000? Because you can? Or because you can't pick up the ladies without it b/c of your, um, inadaquacies? You should be like the rest of the REAL college undergrads: broke. I'm in college, too. I drive a non-mod '94 Civic and I have no problem w/ the ladies. And if you go to a school remotely close to mine I will box you in the mouth for being so uneducated. <!-- Signature -->
     
  12. im really starting to get annoyed with how domestic lovers are always talking about displacement. it takes no skill or intelligence to simply make a giant engine. to true car enthusiasts theres a great deal of enjoyment from using your mind to modify your car to make it perform better and better. you cant get that enjoyment from simply making a bigger engine.
     
  13. It takes great skill and intelligence to make a very large engine emissions legal and fuel effecient. (Think: CAFE and LEV) It takes no more skill and intelligence to get a much smaller engine to rev much higher, that's already a given advantage in favor of the smaller engine.
    When it comes time to mod your car, you'll come to the ultimate truth about what limits the horsepower of your engine (and just about any engine, for that matter): $$$ and displacement.
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from ShaitsU</i>
    <b>im really starting to get annoyed with how domestic lovers are always talking about displacement. it takes no skill or intelligence to simply make a giant engine. to true car enthusiasts theres a great deal of enjoyment from using your mind to modify your car to make it perform better and better. you cant get that enjoyment from simply making a bigger engine.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    So you laugh at people that throw the bigger engine in their Civic? It takes no skill to do that (acording to you). There is no difference, modifying your car is modifying your car wether that means displacement from a Stroker kit or a simple exhaust upgrade. The fact that it is easier to modify American cars compared to the relative difficulty of Japanese cars just means that is what they were engineered to do.... Why hate?<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. I think I'm just going to test drive an S2000 this week. I like them and I want to drive one. I suggest you all do the same, because then you can compare its handling to that of your own cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. #166 SeansVette, Aug 9, 2002
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    For those of you who think you can just slap a supercharger on a Honda Civic and beat Mustangs, Camaros, Corvttes, Vipers ect. read the following....

    http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/yourcar/99-00civic.html

    The first complete centrifugal supercharger kit designed to "bolt-on" to stock or modified Honda/Acura vehicles. Increase Horsepower to 218 and torque to 142 ft/lbs. Installation time is 10-12 hours

    You spend a few grand on the supercharger, add 10-12 hours of lebor unless you REALLY know what you're doing, and you get WOW! 218 horse power and 142 lbs of torque DOUBLE WOW!<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. I used to really like imports, but now, after hearing posts from the real ricers, I'm not so interested. None of you seem to know anything about cars; it's all about competition with your buddies. "Hey, man, check out my new header and catback exhaust system: 8 extra horses!" "Look how low my commuter car is!" "I got some cool stickers that make my car go fast!" "I just got wasted by one of those worthless American cars. He must have had NOS or some other stupid cheater thing."

    I don't like american muscle/performance cars. I don't like the image that they impose on their drivers. They're excellent for modifying and racing, even though they're not the best looking, the most reliable, and they guzzle gas. I respect the results that they get, but, again, I don't like the "American Muscle" image that you get with them.

    The problem is that if you want the same performance AND style, you have to go Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, TVR, Lambo, etc. I don't have that kind of money right now, so if I really had the need for speed I would seriously consider a Camero, Corvette, or Mustang. I would absolutely not consider getting a Civic and a supercharger. However, I would get a 300ZX TT or a 2.5RS. Those cars are pretty cool, and with some work they could run with the big boys. Still, with the same $$, you'd get more from a Camero or something. There really is no replacement for displacement, after all.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. #168 Guibo, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CRF Speed Demon</i>
    <b>Can american cars produce power
    of course they can, but u know what the difference is
    look at vipers, V10, Nooooooo traction at all, shit handling, all top speed and cost how much money.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Then how is it that the Viper was rated a better handling car than the F355 Spider and the Lotus (LOTUS!) Esprit by R&T in their June '99 shootout? And the Viper killed them in slalom, skidpad, and lap times.
    C&D rated the Viper a better handling car than the 911 Carrera S and Boxster in its September '97 issue. It lost to the Supra Turbo by 1 point, which lost to the NSX-T by only one point. But the Viper demolished all of them (and the top-rated M3 and Ferrari F355) at the Nelson Legdes 2.0-mile roadcourse. The Supra was nearly 3 whole seconds behind!
    C&D also tested the Viper in '97 against the NSX-T and 993 Turbo S, and again, it beat the competition.

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CRF Speed Demon</i>
    <b>Now I got lots of videos of stock civic hatchbacks than a supercharger thrown in blowing away vipers, corvettes, camaros, mustangs, firebirds, whatever the yanks got. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    How many is lots? One, two? Would you like to see a video of a mildly modified Mustang Cobra passing a 360 Modena at Sears Point? Wanna see him passing an NSX and 996 at Laguna Seca? How about a Z06 passing a 360 Modena at Laguna Seca?
    Got any videos of Civics passing Ferrari's at a twisty racetrack?

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CRF Speed Demon</i>
    <b>I myself own a 2002 Honda CRF450 motocross bike, it has 55 horsepower, the best horsepower per weight. And being a Honda it pumps out 125horsepower per litre.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    ROTFLMAO!!! Say, that motocross bike engine makes more hp/l than an S2000. Wanna know what happens when you strap that motor to a 2800-lb S2000? It'll sound something like this:
    http://iqx.ionichost.com/other/instest.html
     
  19. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LanciaDeltaIntegraleS4</i>
    <b>I used to really like imports, but now, after hearing posts from the real ricers, I'm not so interested. None of you seem to know anything about cars; it's all about competition with your buddies. "Hey, man, check out my new header and catback exhaust system: 8 extra horses!" "Look how low my commuter car is!" "I got some cool stickers that make my car go fast!" "I just got wasted by one of those worthless American cars. He must have had NOS or some other stupid cheater thing."

    I don't like american muscle/performance cars. I don't like the image that they impose on their drivers. They're excellent for modifying and racing, even though they're not the best looking, the most reliable, and they guzzle gas. I respect the results that they get, but, again, I don't like the "American Muscle" image that you get with them.

    The problem is that if you want the same performance AND style, you have to go Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, TVR, Lambo, etc. I don't have that kind of money right now, so if I really had the need for speed I would seriously consider a Camero, Corvette, or Mustang. I would absolutely not consider getting a Civic and a supercharger. However, I would get a 300ZX TT or a 2.5RS. Those cars are pretty cool, and with some work they could run with the big boys. Still, with the same $$, you'd get more from a Camero or something. There really is no replacement for displacement, after all.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I'm glad you see the light when it comes to Rice Burners. But let me clear up a couple of things.

    American pony cars (Camaros, Mustangs, TransAm, etc) are not clumps of metal thrown together with a big engine. They are exactly what they're intended to be- affordable power. Let me address some of the specific things you have mentioned.

    "Gas Guzzling" Unfortunately more performance usually means you use more fuel. One car may have more performance and still use less fuel (especially with forced air induction), but generally higher performing cars use more fuel. Now if you look at Chevy's LS1, it has outstanding power and it still has very good gas mileage (28 mpg highway).

    "Muscle car image" With any car made to go fast there is a stigma. I'm 28 and I drive a Corvette which has the midle-aged, mid-life crisis image. Mustangs and Camaros have the racer-boy image. Porsches and Ferraris have the "I'm rich and I want to show off" image. Riced out Hondas have the "I watched Fast & Furious too many times" image. I my opinion you should just go with what YOU like.

    "American cars are not the best looking" I can't really tell you much about that. I don't agree but looks are a personal taste. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I'm not sufe why I said gas guzzling. I know it isn't really true. I think it was just the last remnants of ricer in me coming out at the American cars. The ZO6 gets better gas mileage than my car, for crying out loud!

    As for the image thing, I think I'd rather have the "I'm a rich showoff" image because it'd be nice to be rich enough to show off. I also have great respect for the quality engineering of Ferraris, Porsches, TVRs, Aston-Martins, and others. There is some good engineering in Amerian cars, but not the extent that is found in those cars. Ferraris have three-dimensionally designed camshaft lobes! TVRs weigh less than a Civic! You're right, though, it's just a personal thing.

    Likewise, the appearance of American cars is a personal thing. I don't like the looks of the Camero/Firebird or the Mustang. The Vette and the Viper are ok, but they're not as sexy as the higher priced alternatives. Example: I would shoot myself before I chose a Viper Venom 800tt over a TVR Cerbera Speed 12, even though the Britt box costs $50,000 more. I like the 911 over the Corvette, but I'd have to be willing to pay anywhere from $20,000 to $130,000 more for the Porsche.

    So, congratulations on making a convert out of me. From now on, I will not mock anyone driving an American muscle car (except those damn early 90s Mustang 5.0s, what the hell is with those?)<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LanciaDeltaIntegraleS4</i>
    <b>I used to really like imports, but now, after hearing posts from the real ricers, I'm not so interested. None of you seem to know anything about cars; it's all about competition with your buddies. "Hey, man, check out my new header and catback exhaust system: 8 extra horses!" "Look how low my commuter car is!" "I got some cool stickers that make my car go fast!" "I just got wasted by one of those worthless American cars. He must have had NOS or some other stupid cheater thing."

    I don't like american muscle/performance cars. I don't like the image that they impose on their drivers. They're excellent for modifying and racing, even though they're not the best looking, the most reliable, and they guzzle gas. I respect the results that they get, but, again, I don't like the "American Muscle" image that you get with them.

    The problem is that if you want the same performance AND style, you have to go Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, TVR, Lambo, etc. I don't have that kind of money right now, so if I really had the need for speed I would seriously consider a Camero, Corvette, or Mustang. I would absolutely not consider getting a Civic and a supercharger. However, I would get a 300ZX TT or a 2.5RS. Those cars are pretty cool, and with some work they could run with the big boys. Still, with the same $$, you'd get more from a Camero or something. There really is no replacement for displacement, after all.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> i am confused as to why you would change your mind about your preferences because of what ignorant 16 year olds with a r!ced out civic says. i love japanese cars, esp. hondas, because that is my preference. i would also love to have that charger in that damned movie, popping the front wheels off the ground. go with what YOU love, but dont let stupid people influence you one way or the other. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  21. This is bull sh*t! So what if a honda has 240hp outta 4 popper! Who cares. Way back before there were flamers like you in your hondas, there was a thing called detroit muscle. No one can beat that. it was all about the CUBIC INCHES! Things like a 426 HEMI with 425+hp, 454 LS-6 with 450+hp, Chevy 396 with 325hp, 350hp, AND 375hp versions. Back then, people didn't brag about "my car is faster than yours is..." instead, that battle was held on the street. So, with that in mind, meet me sometime and i will fu*k you hand your honda up with my 1966 Chevrolet Nova SS with a 502c.i. and a rock crusher 4 speed. See Ya then!


     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Bugatti driver</i>
    <b> I'M TIRED OF TALKIN TO ASSHOLES WHO LOVE THOSE CRAPPY JAPENESE CARS OR VIPERS AND THAT KINDA SHITY CARS. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REAL SPORTS CARS THEN TALK ABOUT A LAMBORGHINI, A FERRARI, AND ESPECIALLY THE NEW BUGATTI EB 16/4 VEYRON WHICH IS THE FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR RIGHT NOW, **** THE MCLAREN F1 OR STUPID ASS CHEVROLET CALLAWAY SLEDGEHAMMER CORVETTE.

    THE VIPER IS REALLY UNDERPOWERED BECAUSE IT HAS A HUDGE V10 BUT A BMW V8 OR A PORSCHE 6CYLINDERS TWIN TURBO ENGINE WOULD BEAT IT. AND DON'T SAY ANY THING ABOUT A TUNED VIPER OR RACING VIPER CUZ IF THEY HAVE TO TUNE A V10 TO GET IT TO PERFORM GOOD THEN THEY REALLY HAVE PROBLEMS.

    DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT TALKIN TO ME ABOUT A SUBARU. THEY SUCK. PEOPLE ARE COMPARING IT TO A BMW, BUT THEY DON'T COMPARE STUFF LIKE TOPSPEED OR QUALITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT CUZ THEY KNOW THAT THE BMW WOULD WIN. AND IT'S AWD SYSTEM IS REALLY OLD, MY GRANDFATHER HAD A LANCIA DELTA WITH THE SAME AWD 25 YEARS AGO.

    JAPENESE CARS SUCK MY LEFT NUT,
    AMERICANS HAVE GREAT CARS (CAMARO, TRANS AM...) AND SOME SHITY CARS (VIPERS, CORVETTES)
    EURO CARS ARE THE BEST.
    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Anybody who types in all caps and uses the word "CUZ" instead of "because" does not drive a Bugatti. <!-- Signature -->
     
  23. Where did you manage to get a hold of a supercharger kit. I have a stock S2000 and unfortunately I live at altitude which really robs my car of power. Please send some info around the supercharging job.

    Thanks
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rthompson</i>
    <b>I have no doubt that your car did a 13.7 in the 1/4, but i do have a hard time believing that you beat all the cars that you claim you beat.... they are just plain faster than that.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I AGREE WITH HIM. I BELIEVE YOUR 1/4 TIME BUT IT REALLY IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU BEAT ALL THOSE OTHER CARS<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. your car is a #$%#in honda, thats why its robbed of power dumb ass. but a real #$%#in car, and don't blame shity quality on altitude
     

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