Re: ok. fords suck. listen to my reasoning....

Discussion in '2001 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by BAD ASS AMERICAN CARS, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. not really ford makes that little crab 4.6 V8 what the #$%# is that compared to a 5.7 camaros are so much better then mustangs except the cobra r but then theres the zo6 that #$%#s that up
     
  2. The SVT 4.6 does not suck by any means. Its a light powerful V8 which is even used in some exotic, like the Panoz, it is a very good realible engine which is hand built. For bigger engines, well I heard they are bring back a SOHC 5.0L in 2003.

    Ford engines are modualar also, basicly means its not that hard to put a triton under the hood of a 4.6. I forget where it is, but someone put a V10 in a 6 clynder mustang, all the engine mounts are the same. Very smart idea.
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Odin</i>
    <b>mustangs have sucked they got the shit beat out of them in the first day they came out they never could keep up with chevy of dodge.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    EVER HEARD OF SHELBY DUMB ASS!!!!!!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. NO MORE COMAROS

    wow.. that must mean something



    do they buy Vette motor's in firebirds... just turn them down
    Mustangs use a diierent motor in ther Gt.. Cobra svt, cobra R
    Stage 3
    your comaro would beat a 4.6 GT
    not a Corba<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. Well, as far as which car is "better" that's just a matter of opinion. But I have read in 2 separate magazines that put a Ram Air TA, Camaro SS, and Cobra together for a comparison, and in both magazines the Cobra came in last, and the SS first. A Camaro Z28 (which is supposedly comparable to Mustang GT) has 305hp, and around 345 ft/lbs of torque. It also comes with a six speed, as opposed to a 5 speed with a GT or Cobra. A Cobra has 320hp, and 317 ft/lbs of torque. I don't know about new ones, but I have seen older ('97 - '98) Z28's beat Cobras in the long run, although not off the line. Then, we go to the SS. You can get an SS fully loaded, with the SLP package and every other option (except convertible) for just under 33K. This has 335 hp, and I am not sure what the torque rating is, but above 350 ft/lbs. This is around the same price, and will beat a Cobra STOCK. Cobras have an independent rear suspension now, which is nicer than a Camaro or Firebird.....but when talking about pure horsepower and speed, an SS is quite a bit stronger.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from RB26DETT</i>
    <b>ok in response to that #$%# who said its the fastest car you can get for 30,000 bucks. ok, case and point the mitsubishi 3000gt vr4. you can get one for less than 18 grand and it does 0-60 in 4.8 also, my friend pumped about 15 grand into his 96 vr4 and it runs mid/low tens. take my word for it, the mitsu's powerplant will last a lot longer too. also i can say with confidence that the vr4 would take the cobra in autox. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You cant buy 3000GT anymore, sorry man
     
  7. you think mustangs have heritage what about the camaro 1969-2002 who cares camaros are way better cars you never even see a cobra on the road exceptin big cities the camaro is a regular driver and even if camaros went out of production the mustang is probably fixing too also because all you ever see are V-6 mustang pieces of shit
     
  8. As an american car enthusiast I would really think us domestic car people should band together and not bash each other. We should instead point out why our cars are superiorer, such as how the 1998 VR weighs a heavty 3810 lbs and how the Cobra engines are handbuilt. Those handbuilt engines will outlast any Japaneese, sweatshop-built, force-fed, timebombs.

    -ME

    *Read any economics book ; increases in imports lead to recession and unenployment*
     
  9. I'm going to set all of you bitches straight. First of all to the asswipe who started this with his "fords suck". What in the #$%# were you thinking trying to make Ford Mustangs look bad by using a 3000 GT as the example. Especially when you are comparing it to a Ford Cobra. First of all the base price for a 1999 VR4 is 45 grand. The base price for a Cobra is less than 30K. For 45 thousand you can get a Saleen Mustang and those are just too bad ass to knock with any other car. By the way, if you didn't know the Saleen RRR Speedlab Mustangs kick the Viper, Corvette, and Porches asses every year in SCCA Solo I competition. VR4's aren't even close to being in contention with any of those. Also my friend who is sitting right next to me owns a 1994 3000 GT VR4 which the base price on that was 43K. It is a total POS. First of all with the all wheel drive when ever you try to take off really fast you are #$%#ing up your clutch. Because you can't spin the tires on an all wheel drive it messes up the weakest part of the drive train which is the clutch. I have known many people who have had to change clutches in their 3000's because of this. Secondly, they have 320 bhp. And that's with TWO turbochargers!!! Who in the hell wants a car that only makes 320 with twin turbos? I would rather have a naturally aspirated Cobra with 320. Then I could slap on a $3500 supercharger and get near 500 (more if it's a Procharger blower). I have a 2000 Mustang GT. It's not a great car but it sure as hell doesn't suck. I bought my car brand spankin' new for 21K. The sticker on it was $23,400. It has everything I wanted and then some such as leather. Granted for the same amount of money of less I could have bought a Camaro that would beat my car in a drag race. But that's not the #$%#ing point you assholes! Who in the hell would pay 25K for a Subaru Impreza WRX? If it only has 227 hp? Why does the hp mean so much to you cock monkeys? It shouldn't because if everyone was smart they would get a car with a Chevy 350 and slap on some performance parts. The 350 engine is the best hp for your money. But I sure as hell don't want one. I like Mustangs. So stop jocking my dick about it you little bitches. Contrary to popular belief, Ford doesn't suck, Honda doesn't make the best cars, Mitsubishi is not good, an NSX is not that fast and not worth the money, and hp ratings do not make the car. You have to take into account the weight, aerodynamics, final drive ratio, traction, and driver. So stop knocking cars #$%#s. This website is about cars not about talking crap about them. So shut your #$%#ing mouths. Everyone!<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. everyone who replies with a, "my ------ whooped a ------" is BSing. All people are doing is responding with a "mustangs suck", or "mustangs are awesome." This is pointless. If you make statements like that, you gotta give factual (not opinionative) evidence to support it. I think this is a good car, it has a reasonable price (although a little on the high side), it has plenty of power for a daily driver, it has good styling, and has a history to back up its performance.
    Dont get me wrong, SS's and Trans Am's are great cars, and may even be better than this car, but the fact is, Mustangs still sell...people still like them, and they are good cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Just in defense of my response, I was not trying to knock Mustangs. Personally, I am a Chevy fan.....but I have no problem with people who like Fords. In fact, I really like the Mustang Cobra. Up until the new body style, I thought the Cobra was the most aggressive looking and (still think) it is the best sounding car on the road. The whole point I was trying to make is that it's ridiculous to sit here and say "Fords suck!" or "Camaros eat ass!" or whatever else. BUT....I do think these people who are talking about how much "faster" the Cobras are, are wrong. That's the only reason I put the HP ratings and such in there. Also, the "base price" for a Cobra is 26K. I believe the "base" for an SS is around 25 or 26 too. I do not know about Ford, but with the Chevy the "base" price is just the price of the car BEFORE the SS package......so it's misleading. Simple facts are.....Camaro SS: has more horsepower, 6 speed transmission. Ford Mustang Cobra: Independent rear suspension, hand built and personally signatured engines. These are FACTS to support each car.....the rest is just opinion and would be taken much better if you could state it in a mature and sophisticated way. These boards were made to be enjoyable (I think). Thanks<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. you guys make no sense, and 3000gt vr-4s 0-60 was NOT 4.8, and 40k for a new one thats crazy expensive and not even in the same class as a cobra, these are rear wheel gts, those are just lame cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. The reason the 0-60 is not available because there still tryin to get it to go that fast. A stock camaro z28 has the same HP COBRA MY ASS. More like garden snake. its sad fords fastest car is a truck. long live Lightning!!!!
     
  14. ok lets see here, considering i own a 01' Zinc Yellow Cobra i should be the one to talk. To be completely honest with you, the Cobra is a beautiful car inside and out. Thats why i picked it. The only thing is, that it's a no contest to any WS-6 or SS. thats the sad truth. The 5.7 is just torquier than the 4.6 Ford is honestly retarded for not dumping the 351 in it. Although i do believe that the complete Cobra package just blows GM out of the water. GM's interiors suck my nuts. oh well, the Cobra is for sale...getting a SUPRA
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Lank444</i>
    <b>Just in defense of my response, I was not trying to knock Mustangs. Personally, I am a Chevy fan.....but I have no problem with people who like Fords. In fact, I really like the Mustang Cobra. Up until the new body style, I thought the Cobra was the most aggressive looking and (still think) it is the best sounding car on the road. The whole point I was trying to make is that it's ridiculous to sit here and say "Fords suck!" or "Camaros eat ass!" or whatever else. BUT....I do think these people who are talking about how much "faster" the Cobras are, are wrong. That's the only reason I put the HP ratings and such in there. Also, the "base price" for a Cobra is 26K. I believe the "base" for an SS is around 25 or 26 too. I do not know about Ford, but with the Chevy the "base" price is just the price of the car BEFORE the SS package......so it's misleading. Simple facts are.....Camaro SS: has more horsepower, 6 speed transmission. Ford Mustang Cobra: Independent rear suspension, hand built and personally signatured engines. These are FACTS to support each car.....the rest is just opinion and would be taken much better if you could state it in a mature and sophisticated way. These boards were made to be enjoyable (I think). Thanks</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I'm a Chevy guy (obviously from my signature), and I used to own an 01 Mustang Saleen S281. I can appreciate both. Those of you who say the SS is faster than the SVT Cobra are both right and wrong. I'll explain. Yes, you are correct if you're living the past (1999 and before). But the 2001 Cobra simply kicks ass, both around corners and in a straight line. I read in a magazine (it was either MMFF or 5.0) a road test for the 2001 Cobra. They got something like 13.8 on the first 1/4 mile run and 13.5 on the second. The weather only allowed 2 runs. They're not biased at all, as they were quick to criticize the 99 Cobra and the Bullitt Mustang.
    Not only does the 01 Cobra keep up with the Fbodies, it beats them around corners and stopping distance. And, the 4.6L DOHC responds a lot better to forced air than the 5.7L LS1. Slap on some 4.10 gears, a Vortech supercharger and you're flirting with 11s in the 1/4 mile. <!-- Signature -->
     
  16. 94 Formula, I have read many of your posts and you’re comments are as biased as they are baseless.
    You said: “They are so cheap because they use parts of japanese car in the process of being built” Ford uses Japanese parts as well as every other company, GM included. No car has every part made in the same country and if you look across the boards GM uses many Japanese parts too, something around 30% like Ford. At the same time Japanese and European cars get parts made from Ford so this argument does not stand up. If you want to see something that’s cheap look at the inside of your car. And knocking Ford’s quality? You are the proud owner of one of the worst quality cars I have ever seen. The Cobra’s engines are hand built in Michigan U.S.A. and will outlast most any other sports cars and don’t you ever think your piece of S%@# formula is better than this fine piece of work.

    And Odin, why don’t you try chevy forums with other redneck [email protected]$%s like you till you can say something intelligent.
     
  17. SS beats the Cobra ... maybe this is an update for u guys but they have done comparisons of the latest Generation Cobra VS the Camaro SS and u can check all the magazines.. And I do mean all of them with some actual facts... The Camaro came out on top every time.. Not Fixed up... and guess what an SS = 30,000 dollars as well.. Fully loaded of course.

    I dont say Mustangs Suck.. but they are not up to the performance of a Camaro much less a Vette.

    About Saleen... Saleen Sucks.. Im sorry but its true.. I seen 2 or 3 Brand New Saleens S281 Supercharged loose to an old and heavy 1968 Chevy Camaro with a 350.

    Now many people say the CObra R this the Cobra R that... Can u really justify its 50,000 dollar Price tag? I didnt think so.. many cars are cheaper and faster in any kind of track than a Cobra R! That including a Z06.

    People just need to be realistic about things and stop wishing. like Wishing a GT was faster than a Z28 or a Cobra Faster than a SS or on the mose dilusionary cases a Cobra R faster than a Z06..

    I mean.. Did u guys know that the regular C5 Vette has underated Torque? The true Figures are ~400 ft lb of Torque at the rear wheels.. and that is a stock C5

    Mustang people have been getting robbed by Ford for years.. and its too bad you guys cant see that.. and if you can but you like the body styling better and plan to fix it up ... then you are worthy of calling yourself a car guy.. but people that have no foundations for their alegations need to watch what they say.

    Oh yeah.. um also...About the Saleen S7 it came out in 3rd last year in A competition I cant remember what it was called but these were the standings:

    1: C5R = Vette
    2: C5r = Vette
    3: S7 = Saleen
    4: Viper GTR


    So please lets have some foundation for what we argue about and lets not insult or over praise a car more than what it deserves.

    By this I mean the following:

    NO "[Name of car here} ARE BETTER THAN ANY CAR OUT THERE "
    NO "YOUR CAR SUCKS BLAH BLAH BLAH BEEP BEEEP BEEP"

    Lets keep this on an adult level please <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Thanks for your time

    ULTIMATESS beats the Cobra ... maybe this is an update for u guys but they have done comparisons of the latest Generation Cobra VS the Camaro SS and u can check all the magazines.. And I do mean all of them with some actual facts... The Camaro came out on top every time.. Not Fixed up... and guess what an SS = 30,000 dollars as well.. Fully loaded of course.

    I dont say Mustangs Suck.. but they are not up to the performance of a Camaro much less a Vette.

    About Saleen... Saleen Sucks.. Im sorry but its true.. I seen 2 or 3 Brand New Saleens S281 Supercharged loose to an old and heavy 1968 Chevy Camaro with a 350.

    Now many people say the CObra R this the Cobra R that... Can u really justify its 50,000 dollar Price tag? I didnt think so.. many cars are cheaper and faster in any kind of track than a Cobra R! That including a Z06.

    People just need to be realistic about things and stop wishing. like Wishing a GT was faster than a Z28 or a Cobra Faster than a SS or on the mose dilusionary cases a Cobra R faster than a Z06..

    I mean.. Did u guys know that the regular C5 Vette has underated Torque? The true Figures are ~400 ft lb of Torque at the rear wheels.. and that is a stock C5

    Mustang people have been getting robbed by Ford for years.. and its too bad you guys cant see that.. and if you can but you like the body styling better and plan to fix it up ... then you are worthy of calling yourself a car guy.. but people that have no foundations for their alegations need to watch what they say.

    Oh yeah.. um also...About the Saleen S7 it came out in 3rd last year in A competition I cant remember what it was called but these were the standings:

    1: C5R = Vette
    2: C5r = Vette
    3: S7 = Saleen
    4: Viper GTR


    So please lets have some foundation for what we argue about and lets not insult or over praise a car more than what it deserves.

    By this I mean the following:

    NO "[Name of car here} ARE BETTER THAN ANY CAR OUT THERE "
    NO "YOUR CAR SUCKS BLAH BLAH BLAH BEEP BEEEP BEEP"

    Lets keep this on an adult level please <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Thanks for your time

    ULTIMATE
     
  18. Ok, I'm a mustang owner and I know that the SS has better acceleration than the Cobra however marginal (only .2 sec faster in 1/4 and 0-60). In every other aspect the Cobra is the superior car.

    Ultimate idiot...the Cobra DOES NOT Compete with the Viper or Corvette, it never did, especially these heavily modified race versions! And the saleen s7! Besides, you cannot compare cars by how much money they decide to spend on their racing programs. The competition for the mustang includes the camaro and trans am f-bodies.
     
  19. ok hoseman i'll take your mustang to school with both of my Camaros when they were both bone stock. so i'll rip your buttstang either way<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Ultimate,
    My friend you are stuck in the past then you say the SS beats the SVT Cobra. You are correct as of 2 years ago and before (1999 and before). The 2001 Cobra simply kick ass in every way. I read a road test (either in 5.0 or FFMM) on the 01 Cobra. They got 13.8 on the first run, and 13.5 on the second. Yes, they are Mustang magazines but they are unbiased. These are the same people who were quick to point out the horse power issues of the 99 Cobra and the Bullitt. Even IF the SS is faster, it's not by much. So here's what you have.

    1: Very similar acceleration to the Camaro SS
    2: Much better handling
    3: Much better breaking
    4: Much better view of the road
    5: Much more comfortalbe ride
    6: Much nicer interior
    7: Slightly cheaper price with like options

    I test drove an 01 Camaro SS and didn't like it. Speed is about the only thing it has going for it. The view of the road sucked, and the interior was really cheap.
    So I picked up a used 99 Corvette with 21K miles instead. <!-- Signature -->
     
  21. yea, that is Tru, the Camaro Does have the insides of a car from like the 80s!
    If i had to chose, i would take the Firebird, but it still looks like a sporty car, I WANT Muscle, cause if u look at the side of the bird, i looka likea Sport car. (the hood is nice, and that about it_)<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. hey all you gay camaro and firebird lovers. guess what. gm is going to stop making your pieces of shit because they can't sell enough of those ugly pieces of scrap metal. so why don't you quit typing and shut the #$%# up
     
  23. actually they can seeing that the camaro and firebird are dead.
     
  24. With no respect for ford sut the hell up. Wow three years u say , again shut the hell up. Even with shitstangs being out 3 years longer than camaros they have a better history. Yes I admit mustang had some good stangs. But a part of a car lover gose like this Stang or camaros and I chose camaros of top.What can I say I love me some GMs.
     
  25. 3 years and it makes it classic history? Plus, I guess they wasted away that 3 years cause if you want to compare Chevy and Ford's sport and muscle cars, chevy obviously has more money into that part of their company than ford, not saying ford or chevy is better than one or the other, just stating that chevy has more money in their sport and muscle car section. Also, you have to take into thought that SVT cobra's, lightnings, and focus's are not part of the ford company. Just for the record, if you think you heard it from a Chevy guy, I can't take sides because I am the proud owner of a 2001 Ford Lightning and a 1998 Camaro Z28.
     

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