Re: Skyline vs. Camaro ZL1 Concept

Discussion in '1999 Blitz Skyline GT-R R348' started by Godspd, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. No I read all your last comments. I only wanted to point that one thing out. The rest was fine with me really, I didn't want to make it look like I was picking on you <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    As far as saying if a ZL-1 could beat the blitz, that's a hard thing to say, I mean both are gitting over 700horses with a huge weight to towe around. I know the Blitz is a skyline with AWD so that would be a huge benefit, but with all that horsepower an AWD car like that might want to go straight a lot, so I think control on both cars is very complicated, especially with the RWD ZL-1, watch out for those spin-outs! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> However, I've heard the ZL-1 is not to be reckoned with and outperformed even the Z06 in the skidpad and slalom. I'll try to find some sources on that and get back to you.
    All n' all I think Car Magazines should put these 2 up against each other, it would truly be a great match! What do you guys think?<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. o well good as least we have a common understanding here. a cease to idiocy has actually occurred here
     
  3. I'm glad you responded to this Blaze! I wanted you to know that i'm not always out trying to contradict people but I too have my opinions! So I guess we're cool now?<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Really if American cars were any good at all don't you think they would have them exported all over the world in vast numbers with people lusting after them and everyone wanting to own one????? wouldn't that be great for the American economy.

    Obviously this isn't the case. I have never seen an American car company outside of the US making and selling american cars to a foriegn market. I don't think anyone outside the US wants an american car, wonder why that is????
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from camaro</i>
    <b>Have you ever sat in a mustang cobra, camaro, viper, or corvette probably not, but I have sat in a mustang cobra converable and that is really fun. Don't say that American cars have low hp. for their size, because they have vipers with 1200hp. and corvettes with 1400hp.(all without nos). Oh, and someone said that they're not impressed with lingenfelters 1/4mile time, what are you smokeing. That is a very good time, besides the camaro zl1 someone put turbos in it and it did 5sec.(with slicks of course) 1/4mile time. It had 1500+hp. Lingenfelter could have tuned his corvette more, but he didn't want to, because he just wanted to beat hennessy. Here are some American cars that can handle well saleen s7, corvette c5, corvette zo6, corvette c5-r, callaway corvettes, mosler corvettes, mallet corvettes, giger corvettes(or however you spell it), lingenfelter corvettes, erikson camaros, mustangs, 2000 mustang boss, and hennessy viper venoms. I'll agree some American cars can't handle very well, but lots can like the ones I listed and I'll agree that some jap. cars are good like the veilside supra, but they aren't as good as American and European cars.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ok...like I said some Americans cars can handle, but only one or two can do it well....so I will give you that.

    But a statment like American and European cars are better than Japanese cars is false and a stupid statement.

    Personally I rank Janpanese cars and Eurpean cars on about the same level and American cars last. And this would probably be a majority decision outside of America.
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  6. let me just end this discussion.....

    1.) Mustangs are the most uncomfortable cars to drive ever....save the AMC pacer.

    2.)Neone notice the saleen s7 looks an awful lot like a McClaren....well becasue they are a very similar car...although the saleen is powered by ford.

    3.) The corvette handles like shit the car is just too damn bulky and just wont turn like a Rx7 or a Skyline. The STi WRX and the lancer evo destory its handleing....o yeah there is that italian company...something about i guy named Enzo...o i forget.....but i doesnt matter casue your corvette sucks.

    4.)out handle a McClaren......wow...you got to kick the crack habit man.

    5.)Firebirds suck no matter if they have 3000hp.....the are still ugly.

    6.)if all 3 audi's break (yeah right) the autoexe LMP675 team will win lamans and the rotary will be victorious agian!

    7.)The only good cars GM ever made was the buick Grand National, and the new 300hp 3800 v6 grand prix for next year.

    happy flag day. good bye<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from camaro</i>
    <b>Are you stupid corvettes have very good handleing car and driver tested it and it had better handleing than a porsche 911 and an nsx.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    thats casue the nsx is a honda so it sucks and car and driver just flat cant drive the 911. put both car in the hands of a real race driver. the 911 isnt faster....but it handles better.

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  8. Have you ever sat in a mustang cobra, camaro, viper, or corvette probably not, but I have sat in a mustang cobra converable and that is really fun. Don't say that American cars have low hp. for their size, because they have vipers with 1200hp. and corvettes with 1400hp.(all without nos). Oh, and someone said that they're not impressed with lingenfelters 1/4mile time, what are you smokeing. That is a very good time, besides the camaro zl1 someone put turbos in it and it did 5sec.(with slicks of course) 1/4mile time. It had 1500+hp. Lingenfelter could have tuned his corvette more, but he didn't want to, because he just wanted to beat hennessy. Here are some American cars that can handle well saleen s7, corvette c5, corvette zo6, corvette c5-r, callaway corvettes, mosler corvettes, mallet corvettes, giger corvettes(or however you spell it), lingenfelter corvettes, erikson camaros, mustangs, 2000 mustang boss, and hennessy viper venoms. I'll agree some American cars can't handle very well, but lots can like the ones I listed and I'll agree that some jap. cars are good like the veilside supra, but they aren't as good as American and European cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
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    <b>Are you stupid corvettes have very good handleing car and driver tested it and it had better handleing than a porsche 911 and an nsx.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    thats casue the nsx is a honda so it sucks and car and driver just flat cant drive the 911. put both car in the hands of a real race driver. the 911 isnt faster....but it handles better.

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    The 911 was driven by Porsches driver, which by the way was much more experienced than the Corvette driver.

    1/2 the statements you make are opinions and the other half are false.
     
  10. isnt the point of these boards to express opinion?????

    o wait is that an opinion or is it false?????

    everything stated was an opinion or it was true.

    and i would just like to point out there are more hondas and toyotas made in this country than there are fords and chevys. plus mazda is owned by ford and makes certain models in flat rock, michigan.....where are ford and GM making cars now.....mexico.....sounds like they are the "imports"<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
    <b>isnt the point of these boards to express opinion?????

    o wait is that an opinion or is it false?????

    everything stated was an opinion or it was true.

    and i would just like to point out there are more hondas and toyotas made in this country than there are fords and chevys. plus mazda is owned by ford and makes certain models in flat rock, michigan.....where are ford and GM making cars now.....mexico.....sounds like they are the "imports"</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Man you say that we are just saying our opinions look at you saying camaros and corvettes have sucky handleing after it has ben proved. How are there more hondas and toyotas in America you don't know have you ben everywhere in America. Maybe where you live there are more hondas and toyotas, but where I live there are more chevys and fords and a lot of chryslers. So that statement where you said that there are more imports in America is your stupid ignorance talking. The hondas I do see over here are stupid civics that are slow and ugly, because they have stupid 6 inch tailpipes on them and the toyotas I see here are weak under powered trucks. Those toyota trucks are so small. I saw one that was raised up and it wasn't taller than my uncles suburban. <!-- Signature -->
     
  12. no american muscle shit box can keep up to that besides the cr5 and the viper La mans. OKay do this stick that ZL1 up ur ass and see how fast it go on the 1/4 mile u american car lovers out there
     
  13. #38 I AM GOD, Aug 10, 2002
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    If you think the ZL-1 sucks so much, than how about a video for your eyes and ears. Download it and tell me if you think the time in the end is slow. I'm not saying it's faster than this car, or that the Skyline sucks, but I'm Fucking sick and tired of you guys and your ignorance saying that American cars suck and all this bullshit. Keep in mind that the ZL-1 does all this with a Naturally Aspirated engine.
    Here's the link....

    http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/camarozl1videos.html

    Whether you like the ZL-1 or not, there's no denying it that it's a fast car, atleast I domenstrated some proof of this car's performance. If any of you can provide a link or video also, I'd love to see this skyline run too!<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hckypimp38</i>
    <b>let me just end this discussion.....

    1.) Mustangs are the most uncomfortable cars to drive ever....save the AMC pacer.

    2.)Neone notice the saleen s7 looks an awful lot like a McClaren....well becasue they are a very similar car...although the saleen is powered by ford.

    3.) The corvette handles like shit the car is just too damn bulky and just wont turn like a Rx7 or a Skyline. The STi WRX and the lancer evo destory its handleing....o yeah there is that italian company...something about i guy named Enzo...o i forget.....but i doesnt matter casue your corvette sucks.

    4.)out handle a McClaren......wow...you got to kick the crack habit man.

    5.)Firebirds suck no matter if they have 3000hp.....the are still ugly.

    6.)if all 3 audi's break (yeah right) the autoexe LMP675 team will win lamans and the rotary will be victorious agian!

    7.)The only good cars GM ever made was the buick Grand National, and the new 300hp 3800 v6 grand prix for next year.

    happy flag day. good bye</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    1st statement - opinion
    2nd statement - opinion
    3rd statement - false, lets see the test mag didn't know how to drive the car even though it was Porsches driver was behind the wheel? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
    4th statement - false, corvette burns RX-7's & most Skylines to the ground.
    5th statement - opinion
    6th statement - opinion
    7th statement - opinion, so ignorant of you. Let me remind you that GM has the top speed record, fastest 1/4 street legal record, fastest stock body record, and the most winning car in history, ect. ect. Let see, good GM cars...Camaro 350 SS, Camaro 396 SS, Camaro 427 SS, Camaro ZL1, Police Interceptor Camaro Z28, Chevelle 396 SS, Chevelle 350 SS, Chevelle 427 SS, Chevelle 454 SS, Nova 350 SS, Corvette 327, Corvette 350, Corvette 427, Corvette ZO6, Corvette Grand Sport, Corvette ZR1, Corvette L88, Corvette L68, Corvette ZL1, Impala 350 SS, Impala 383 SS, Impala 427 SS, Impala 396 SS, Trans-Am 400, Trans-Am 455 H.O., Trans-Am 455 S.D., Trans-Am Formula, Trans-Am turbo, Typhoon, Syclone, Silverado 454 SS, Grand National, 327 SS Caprice, 350 SS Caprice, 396 SS Caprice, 427 SS Caprice, 9C1 Caprice, get the picture or should I go on?

    "Hello, you tits. Your cars might be o.k, but japanese cars kick your arse. All American cars have V8's and they all do 2 miles to the gallon. they look like sheds and drive like them too. As a famous person once said: "All of our imports are from other countries." (Mr.Bush)

    And how the hell did you ****heads vote in the retard."

    How do I deal with dipshits like this? GM's V8 sportcars can attain 28 MPG, its ZO6 burns most anything any Jap car company can output so suck it.

    So how would you do if you had to go infront of the world every day? You'd probably shit yourself you little bastard. BTW - what country are you coming from where you feel that you are in a position to judge our voting system? Off the bat all our choices sucked, but he was the best offered. So next time before you go off blasting peoples countries take a look at the country you're in asshole.
     
  15. #40 I AM GOD, Aug 10, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>If you think the ZL-1 sucks so much, than how about a video for your eyes and ears. Download it and tell me if you think the time in the end is slow. I'm not saying it's faster than this car, or that the Skyline sucks, but I'm Fucking sick and tired of you guys and your ignorance saying that American cars suck and all this bullshit. Keep in mind that the ZL-1 does all this with a Naturally Aspirated engine.
    Here's the link....

    http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/camarozl1videos.html

    Whether you like the ZL-1 or not, there's no denying it that it's a fast car, atleast I domenstrated some proof of this car's performance. If any of you can provide a link or video also, I'd love to see this skyline run too!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    did anyone click on this link? I think you'll be impressed!<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. sr20deth has a point. Why do you think japanese cars are more popular in america then american cars?? Why do you think japanese cars are exported all over the world, and they are popular all over the world too. Hmm, now lets think about american cars...yeah, um... nope. And sure, ford owns mazda, but mazda in japan still makes the mazda cars, not ford...if that happened, mazda would be out of business (mazda is really popular in japan).

    And im sorry, you guys just have to admit, that american cars don't handle well. Sure, the corvett Z06 handles find, but that is because they get it to drift a little, it still rocks on the turns and it flops around everywhere. Japanese cars don't weigh much, and when the performance tuned ones turn, they stay flat, and take the turns like kick ass cars are supposed to. <!-- Signature -->
     
  17. if you kindly direct to read any of my more former posts you will realize that i was defending the skyline and i mentioned numerous times that i liked skylines. in fact i own a 240sx that has a s-15 silvia conversion done on it. my main point was not all american cars suck. that was my point plain and simple.

    the corvette z06 actually handles quite well. if i am not correct the corvette c5r has current an visceral grip on the gts class in alms (and LM as well!) . now you may argue that the car costs 250k, but then again this car costs in the 100k+ range so it would be ludicrous to think that if you could afford this you could not afford the vette.

    besides this forum pitted the skyline vs the camaro zl1, in which i orginally at posted in to point out several discrepancies on comparison and idiot people posting, but then again i guess you didn't know that did you.
     
  18. Oh My God! I go out for a couple of weeks and come back and see that idiots have posted!
    For the guy who says that American cars are trash and he'd rather spend his money on imports...Good more power to ya, I don't care for your reasons, I own an import too, it's great but I have more fun driving my SS and my 89 LT-1 Iroc than I do with my toyota. But that's just an opinion and your entitled to it just as well as I am. And for the gentlemen who says that American cars don't handle well, your absolutely positively WRONG! The Camaro handles very well, especially for a high powered rear wheeled power driven car that pushes out close to a whole G on the Skid Pad. And Blaze4ever posted this about the ZL-1 vs. Skyline so don't change the subject. The ZL-1 is capable of running 9.55's in the 1/4 mile, has a 220+mph topspeed and even outperforms the Z06 with all that power in the skidpad! dont underestimate American car's performance and please don't over-estimate your cars either. Your wrong in a lot of categories fellas so stop making yourself look stupid and leave Blaze alone, he doesn't need to deal with anymore idiots on this forum, there's too many on here anyway.<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. exactly, i come periodically into these forums to check for stupidity. old american cars are probably the most reliable cars becaues of their simple engine design. if you want to complain about gas mileage in a forum based upon a 100k+ car get the hell out of here. your right the corvette z06 is a very good handling car. why is it that the c5r has a utter dominance in the gts class in alms and LM? answer me that.

    nissan is ranked near last in the japanese tuner market in terms of reliability, partly because in america we get all of their shit engines while in japan they enjoy better things.

    but one thing i have to remind everyone against is the danger of using slalom and skidpad numbers. i have found varingly different numbers for such things and numbers do not necessarily come out on the track. my prime reason is that motor trend tested a strikingly low slalom for the gt-2 (lower than the turbos) and the skidpad fell a whole 0.4 G off of another test done at nurburging. also you would have to see the foot spacing of the slalom, how long it is, for skidpad the diamter of the circle and such.

    the camaro although not (in my opinion) a pinnacle of performance, is a decent car. i dont exactly approve of it, but i'm not going to trash and bash every single american car.

     
  20. well at least you realized your errors. not so many people will admit their fault so easily and usually subsist to idiocy as and excuse.

    i know what you mean. a lot of american cars although they have good handling simply aren't as refined as european counterparts, but they still handle pretty good.
     
  21. I have one thing to say about the reliablity. Most of the imported (japanese cars) need a little boost in power to hang with american cars in the straits and usally a little help in the turns as well. now you can modify these cars to run as good or faster than camaros and vettes, but after you moddify the car it does not have the same reliability that it once had.( and usally the warranty is void)
    as for the zl1 vs. the skyline very difficult choice. i would have to take the zl1 in a strait line (drag slicks or not). as far as handiling goes i would lean towards the skyline. the zl1 is a very affordable car. any joe shmoe can build these.(like me) you can buy a zz4 crate engine with 420 hp for around 4 grand. add a supercharger or turbos and you can get up to around 700 hp. so for around 6-7 grand you can have a 700 hp engine. f-bodies have no resell value, so you can buy a used one (93-96) for anywhere from 2 grand to 7 grand.(depending on the model). so for 14,000 you have a 700 hp car. say another 4-6 grand to modifiy supension, rear end, transmission and tires and for 18,000 you have a car fast enough for any one on this site that handles well to.(depending on if you go for sport type suspension and tires or soft drag racingm style)
    now everyone will agree that this skyline probably doesnt sell for under 100k, but you get a very nice awd system and state of the art handling. also a lot of horsepower. the fact is the cars are really not in the same class despite the closeness in performance. the zl1 is a car that you see in your neibours garage, and the skyline is a state of the are machine.
     
  22. good intelligent post. this of course really only applies in the united states. in japan the stock skyline is a good 20-30 grand cheaper. really sucks doens't it.

    in addition in the states if you were to get a stock skyline imported, such handilng (although not as good as the r-34) would be pretty good ina r-32 (23k stock), or a r-33 (48k stock). you could then perform the necessary modifications.

    but yes the zl1 would be the choice for drag racing. personally i'm more into road racing, so the skyline would be my choice.
     
  23. i enjoy road racing as well, but not on public streets. you can drag race down a street fairly safely where as you are at more risk (as well to others) if you road race on public streets.
     
  24. o well. that was a rather fast response. i think you are a reasonably intelligent person. if you read into this other forum in which you posted in i do not suggest that you are an idiot if you get this from reading the post.

    i live near a racetrack so i can get good track time. besides i built my car (nissan 240sx with sr20de engine transplant turboed with more mods focusing on suspesion) for drifting and road racing. i've been known to a drift a few corners ...haha. buts its pretty good at the strip too.
     
  25. cool. i respect that. I have an 84 trans am. around 260 hp. I am about to upgrade the suspension. I think I am going to go with KYB shocks and Ebiach preformance springs. what do u sugest?
     

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