Re: This car is a POS, have proof

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by PABSTmullet, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SHO 92</i>
    <b>just to let everybody know i'm a ford fan.
    but some people are getting facts all wrong.
    the 390 hp on this car is at the flywheel not
    the rear wheels.you will not receive 400 rwhp
    by replacing the exhaust.a 03 cobra could
    have between 340 and 360 hp at the rear wheel.
    with an exhaust you might reach between 350 and
    375.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Look, SHO92, we've already been over this. The car is seriously underated, mags have already dyno'd it at 360-370rwhp. Swapping out the exhaust and putting in an aftermarket X-pipe and will put out 400rwhp.
    Cool car btw, I love that gen. of SHO's.

    Kane, what were the other times and what were the conditions of the runs as someone already asked. Am I going to have to look at one at Barnes and Nobles because you are obviously neglecting something important...
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SHO 92</i>
    <b>just to let everybody know i'm a ford fan.
    but some people are getting facts all wrong.
    the 390 hp on this car is at the flywheel not
    the rear wheels.you will not receive 400 rwhp
    by replacing the exhaust.a 03 cobra could
    have between 340 and 360 hp at the rear wheel.
    with an exhaust you might reach between 350 and
    375.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Damn duke..either you have been out of the loop or you dont know how to read. HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS CAR WITH BASSANI X PIPES CAN REACH 400RWHP. Why is it so hard to believe? I will add the image of the article.
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MantronixFX</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SHO 92</i>
    <b>just to let everybody know i'm a ford fan.
    but some people are getting facts all wrong.
    the 390 hp on this car is at the flywheel not
    the rear wheels.you will not receive 400 rwhp
    by replacing the exhaust.a 03 cobra could
    have between 340 and 360 hp at the rear wheel.
    with an exhaust you might reach between 350 and
    375.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Damn duke..either you have been out of the loop or you dont know how to read. HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS CAR WITH BASSANI X PIPES CAN REACH 400RWHP. Why is it so hard to believe? I will add the image of the article. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->where is your source from?<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SSfearSS</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MantronixFX</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SHO 92</i>
    <b>just to let everybody know i'm a ford fan.
    but some people are getting facts all wrong.
    the 390 hp on this car is at the flywheel not
    the rear wheels.you will not receive 400 rwhp
    by replacing the exhaust.a 03 cobra could
    have between 340 and 360 hp at the rear wheel.
    with an exhaust you might reach between 350 and
    375.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Damn duke..either you have been out of the loop or you dont know how to read. HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS CAR WITH BASSANI X PIPES CAN REACH 400RWHP. Why is it so hard to believe? I will add the image of the article. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->where is your source from?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    June 2002 edition of 5.0 Mustangs and Super Fords Magazine
     
  5. This is a great car, no matter how slow or fast it turns out to be, you can't go wrong with 390 stock hp for 34 grand. That's just the best deal you can get for stock performance.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MantronixFX</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SSfearSS</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MantronixFX</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SHO 92</i>
    <b>just to let everybody know i'm a ford fan.
    but some people are getting facts all wrong.
    the 390 hp on this car is at the flywheel not
    the rear wheels.you will not receive 400 rwhp
    by replacing the exhaust.a 03 cobra could
    have between 340 and 360 hp at the rear wheel.
    with an exhaust you might reach between 350 and
    375.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Damn duke..either you have been out of the loop or you dont know how to read. HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS CAR WITH BASSANI X PIPES CAN REACH 400RWHP. Why is it so hard to believe? I will add the image of the article. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->where is your source from?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    June 2002 edition of 5.0 Mustangs and Super Fords Magazine</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Then we have confirmation. Thanks matronix.
     
  7. #32 EricDa Black, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MoparMuscle273</i>
    <b>I AM A BIG FAN OF THIS CAR, but i seriously dont think just an x-pipe will bring the rwhp to 400. The advertised hp at 390 isn't referring to rwhp, its bhp...totally different</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The car is underated from the factory. Go here, http://www.supercars.net/cMsg?viewThread=true&year=2003&make=Ford&model=Mustang%20SVT%20Cobra&fn=226, it's already been discussed.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. #33 Mantronix, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MoparMuscle273</i>
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from KaNe</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 428cjpower</i>
    <b>If you want proof, go look at the june issue of car and driver. they tested this car in it. they ran the quarter in 12.9@ 111 and 0-60 was in 4.5 seconds. the street start(5-60 mph) took 4.9 and thats with the clutch fully engaged. this car will beat a base vette and a firehawk. if u dont believe me go to caranddriver.com and look for yourself.heres the address...

    http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/june/200206_roadtest_mustang.xml </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I thought that 12.9@111 mph is talkin about the Cobra R and it says its .1 sec quicker. So doesnt that leave the '03 Cobra at a 13.0 flat?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I have read a couple of magazines testing the 2003 SVT Cobra, All the magazines that I read got the car in the low to mid 12's. Speedvision tested the car and got in the mid 12's and stated that this car is competition for the Corvette and even the BMW M3. How can you call this car a POS with the performance stats it got, the ratings its getting from professionals, and the fact that is has similar performance for cars costing $20,000 More. As soon as a mustang fan purchases the car, the first mod they are going to do to the car is replacing the exhaust with Bassani Xpipes, and get the car dropping 400 RWHP. Thats alot of HP for a POS car like you claim</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    I AM A BIG FAN OF THIS CAR, but i seriously dont think just an x-pipe will bring the rwhp to 400. The advertised hp at 390 isn't referring to rwhp, its bhp...totally different</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Read the article carefully..and thoroughly...I have posted it many times, I will post it again. The car has 360 RearWheelHorsePower and gets 400 RearWheelHorsePower with Bassani X-pipes.
     
  9. Ok is not the finally times if you seen car & Driver and MM&FF you know that!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. It did a 0-60 of 4.5sec acording to car & driver. 12.6 was the best MM&FF could do in the 1/4mile in bad conditions. So Kane this is not a POS!!!!!!!!



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  11. Its a POS to anyone who, first, must obviously know nothing about the car, or anything 4 of the top Car magazines said about it when they drove it. Some 13 year old who hasnt even had his sac drop yet, let alone money to get himself a car even close to worthy enough to allow him the opporitunity to complain about this one, does not concern me. I just reccommend these pee-ons dont get responded to or quoted anymore.
     
  12. Haha. I was looking through a recent issue of Automobile and I noticed something interesting. They took the new Viper out, you know the 500hp/500tq and they got a 0-60 in 4.4 seconds!!?? LOL, they suck.

    Kane, you never told us the times of the other cars. A Z06 probably gets 4.5 0-60, and a base corvette 5.5 according to THEM.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. First of all, I am and allways will be a true Ford fan, and American muscle beats all.

    That having been said, as underrated as the stats on this vehicle may be, 400 RWHP from an exhaust switch is unlikely. This car has independant rear suspension, which eats up more horsepower than a solid rear axle.

    Where an SLP Camaro (a car which IS seriously underrated, supposedly 345 HP it's been tested at almost 340 at the wheels) may lose less than 10% in the drivetrain, an independantly rear suspended Cobra can lose between 15-20%. Still, that puts it close to the SLP SS. And since it has a serious weight advantage, I'd bet it'd be a close race.

    The '02 SLP has been tested at low-13's to high-12's, so it's not unbelievable that the Cobra could perform similarly.

    These cars are incredible - a $300 can dramatically improve performance, changing cam aggression and strenthening shift points. Ford should have unleashed this one years ago against the SS/WS-6 forum. Good job, Bill!!
     
  14. Well, I agree its not typical, but like you said, Fords exhaust systems are and have been the most restrictive around. And think about when you have 390+hp and 8-9psi of intercooled, force injected air being shoved into the little 4.6L through twin cams and 32 valves, all ending up in that extreamly choked exhaust system. Now, replace that crap with a new system, equipped with, bigger pipes, high flow mufflers, which usually add some hp alone, Bassani x-pipes add good hp, and typically have only two cats, that are ALSO high flow, as opposed to the not 2, not 3, but FOUR stupid, large and very restrictive cats on stock stangs, and maybe some headers. I wouldnt be surprised with 40-50hp increase. Think about it on a reg. 5.0. You get maybe lets say, 10hp from headers, 10hp from X-pipe (pretty conservitave there), 10hp from mufflers (also pretty conservitave), and say 4 or 5 from bigger pipes. Thats already about 35, and thats from a naturally aspirated 225hp 5.0L...so 40-50 is easily possible with a whole new system. And THEN you have a pretty stock nearly 450hp Cobra <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>First of all, I am and allways will be a true Ford fan, and American muscle beats all.

    That having been said, as underrated as the stats on this vehicle may be, 400 RWHP from an exhaust switch is unlikely. This car has independant rear suspension, which eats up more horsepower than a solid rear axle.

    Where an SLP Camaro (a car which IS seriously underrated, supposedly 345 HP it's been tested at almost 340 at the wheels) may lose less than 10% in the drivetrain, an independantly rear suspended Cobra can lose between 15-20%. Still, that puts it close to the SLP SS. And since it has a serious weight advantage, I'd bet it'd be a close race.

    The '02 SLP has been tested at low-13's to high-12's, so it's not unbelievable that the Cobra could perform similarly.

    These cars are incredible - a $300 can dramatically improve performance, changing cam aggression and strenthening shift points. Ford should have unleashed this one years ago against the SS/WS-6 forum. Good job, Bill!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->The SS does a 12.9 in the 1/4 mile. The new Cobra is 5 tenths of sec faster!!!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. There's no denying this newer coupe of the Cobra is faster than the SS! But atleast people are realizing the SS has been known to fun 12.9's in the quartermile! Which is also very impressive! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    As fast as this new Cobra is, I'll be the first one to challenge it in my IROC <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Happy Racing Fellas! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>There's no denying this newer coupe of the Cobra is faster than the SS! But atleast people are realizing the SS has been known to fun 12.9's in the quartermile! Which is also very impressive! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    As fast as this new Cobra is, I'll be the first one to challenge it in my IROC <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Happy Racing Fellas! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->What are you runnin in the quarter?
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>I understand.. you read it in a magazine, allright.

    New Fords are more exhaust restricted than any other new cars, understood. But a 40 RWHP gain from an exhaust job equates to about 50 at the flywheel - and that's a shitload of gain just from exhaust. I've never heard of ANYONE getting an honest 50 horses from exhaust alone.

    Now if your article is right, outstanding. Like I said, I am a die-hard Ford fan. But getting 8 or 10 RWHP from an exhaust change is good - getting 40 is unbelievable. With a chip, cam swap AND exhast, maybe...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Steeda just grabbed ahold of an '03. And here are there #s.

    Stock:
    359.7RWHP
    357.7RWTQ

    They put on there hi-flow catalytic x-pipe and a catback and got
    387.7RWHP
    371.8RWTQ

    At the crank it is making basically 456 horsepower and 437 ft. lbs of torque for a measly $500 in mods. And the bassani system is supposed to be even better.

    Add headers, pulleys, throttle body and a chip plus tune and for about 2,000 you have a Cobra that's close to 500 horsepower.<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords tested the 2003 SVT Cobra and here are there results. When they tested it on the dyno it got 381.3 rwhp and 374.8 lbs.-ft of torque. It ran 12.97 in the 1/4 mile. They removed the air silencer and gained 13 rwhp.
     
  20. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>There's no denying this newer coupe of the Cobra is faster than the SS! But atleast people are realizing the SS has been known to fun 12.9's in the quartermile! Which is also very impressive! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    As fast as this new Cobra is, I'll be the first one to challenge it in my IROC <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Happy Racing Fellas! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Yeah and uhh...when you do that in this "IROC" of yours, do remember, that the person your racing is sitting in a stock Ford. WITH a warentee and ZERO modifications. And NO, the supercharger is NOT a modification, as it is FACTORY installed. So please dont bring it up. And again, I really dont think anyone really cares about your IROC. If infact you DO have one.
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>All SS Camaros have some parts produced by SLP (Street Legal Performance), but the true SLP SS is a real work of art. It's rated at 345 horses, but has been tested at almost 340 at the wheels. It's got a solid driveline, which puts it at the 375-ish HP rating.

    The SLP/Firehawk has routinely been tested at low-13's to high 12's. Granted, they'll run you more than a Cobra will by a couple grand, but they are by no means regular SSs/WS-6s.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Well, if your a TRUE Ford Fan, you'll be pleased to hear that SLP is an aftermarket tuner, just like Roush and Saleen is. Not to mention the '03 Cobra smokes the Roush/Saleen cars, and cst thousands less. SLP is hating life now with no F-Bodies in production, so they tune Ford Rangers now.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Vinsanity1485</i>
    <b>Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords tested the 2003 SVT Cobra and here are there results. When they tested it on the dyno it got 381.3 rwhp and 374.8 lbs.-ft of torque. It ran 12.97 in the 1/4 mile. They removed the air silencer and gained 13 rwhp.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->No the 1/4 mile time was 12.6sec. Maybe you reading car and driver!!! <!-- Signature -->
     
  23. 12.64 to be exact I beleive <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Rustangs...how come you said that at least SS's have been known to run 12.9 ? Do you mean with slicks and gears? Cuz stock they dont run that. But I mean, if you want to do it that way, think about how much faster that Cobra will run, if comparably equipped with whatever that 12.9 SS is running. Some 4.10s and some slicks would get the Cobra into Viper territory (which runs 12 flat, per Car and Driver).
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from whiteGT</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>There's no denying this newer coupe of the Cobra is faster than the SS! But atleast people are realizing the SS has been known to fun 12.9's in the quartermile! Which is also very impressive! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    As fast as this new Cobra is, I'll be the first one to challenge it in my IROC <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> Happy Racing Fellas! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Yeah and uhh...when you do that in this "IROC" of yours, do remember, that the person your racing is sitting in a stock Ford. WITH a warentee and ZERO modifications. And NO, the supercharger is NOT a modification, as it is FACTORY installed. So please dont bring it up. And again, I really dont think anyone really cares about your IROC. If infact you DO have one. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Man why are you always trying to bust my balls? I do own this IROC in my Avatar and I also own a 2000 SS! Why is that so hard to believe? Guess what I also own a 95 Toyota Tacoma! They're all used so it's not like someone with a decent job like me can't afford it! Oh and yeah, for someone who hates my IROC you sure like to bring it up again, and again! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  25. Marudur (or whatever) - SLP is not solely aftermarket, did you read my post? They have their hand in every SS and WS6 that roles off the production line. The SS/WS6 SLP version just get a little extra massaging, kinda like Cobras get sent to SVT.

    Hoseman - Torque doesn't change at the rear wheels, only horsepower. But otherwise, it sounds like an awesome set up.
     

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