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Discussion in '2001 BMW M5' started by Brit cars rule, Aug 9, 2002.
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this car is great...blabla...NO
This car sucks compared to an Audi
RS4 gets better 0-60 (oh, ya it's a station wagon)
quattro gives u better control
same transmission in M5 as in Focus SVT
not nearly as expensive
unique car (everyone likes BMW)
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Audi RS4, the car with a chassis about as lively as a haddock thats just been beaten with a large stick.
Quattro = greater control? Greater traction maybe, but it suffers from the same understeer that plagues many 4WD performance cars.
Also, I'd perfer an M5, where I know I'm not going to have the wheels collapse like many RS4's did here in the UK.
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Audi is still faster and what's wrong w/ having a problem or 2 w/ a car as long as u get it fixed. Plus quattro still provides better traction and control because u don't have as many burnouts w/ the tires (Maybe u should look into the article in this month's Car and Driver where they acclaim the S4 racing model because the quattro all-wheel drive provides a balance of power to the racing slicks that u have to use to race)
also, i didn't say i hate this car, I just prefer an Audi<!-- Signature -->
AWD cars suffer to much understeer, Power through the Front wheels equals understeer, Full Stop.<!-- Signature -->
Lets just take a look at some performance figures (courtesy of Autocar) to compare performance figures:
BMW E39 M5
0-30 = 2.1
0-60 = 4.6
0-100 = 10.6
50-70 in top gear = 6.8
Top Speed = Limited 155mph
0-30 = 1.7
0-60 = 4.7
0-100 = 11.2
50-70 in top gear = 7.4
Top Speed = 169mph
As we can see, the RS4's Quattro system gives it the superior initial get away from the line (quicker 0-30) but by 60 the M5 pulls it back a touch, and then is .6 of a second ahead by 100.
Your comments about superior traction are right, but they only apply to the inital burst of acceleration to get a fairly hefty car moving. After that its horsepower and torque all the way.
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I agree with "BMW M5" the AWD system doesn't always make a better car, if the quattro had about 500hp or something it would benefit greatly from the four wheel drive, but it doesn't so there is no great difference. The BMW however has a better overall stance and handling capability. I'd go with BMW over an audi(stock) car any day. The only audi I'd ever buy is the R8 and you can't even buy it!
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The RS4 is a different class anyway, so why bother...
the 2001 RS4 gets 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, not 4.7. It has 450 hp. The M5 gets 0-60 in 4.8 not 4.6. Plus, the M5 gets the same 0-60 as the Audi RS6 and the RS6 has a nicer interiour and I heard that the M5 is quite demanding when it's to be driven. Plus RS6 0-60 is w/ a 5-speed automatic, which is slower than a manual. Imagine performance w/ a manual! I still love both cars. By the way, you can buy an R8, just be prepared to spend like two million dollars.<!-- Signature -->
Just out of interest where are you producing these performance figures from?
Also, you claim that the RS4 has 450BHP. Thats pure crap. All the RS4's left the factory producing 380BHP. They can be modified (Sportec and Abt get 450 out of an RS4), but we're talking about standard cars here.
By the way, if you're taking performance figures off here, you might wish to look at the RS4 forum. 0-60 in 4.9? Fact is is difficult to compare as different sources use different methods in different conditions. One conclusion we can draw is that they are both pretty damn quick.
Yes the M5 is challenging to drive, especially once its in Sport mode. The benefit is perfectly weighted steering and a great connction between driver and road. Its not overly demanding, when I drive ours I keep it in Sport, mainly for the better throttle response.
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Same transmission as a Focus SVT?
The Focus SVT is front-wheel drive. All BMWs except the X5 are rear-wheel drive. This suggests that they don't use the same transmission, doesn't it?
The only thing they have in common is that the Focus SVT transaxle is made by Getrag, a German company with a VERY close association with BMW. The M5 has a Getrag transmission specially designed for this car.
look, this cars platform is 7 years old, this car is 3 or 4, its old, even the best of cars get beat eventualy, just wait for the E60 M5 to lay waste to anything audi has eve put on the market, and compare the RS4 to the M3.
pff 4WD is for sissis
when you buy a car with this performance and you think RWD isnt save enough you can better get a hummer when you have some money to much <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/tongue.gif"></A>
4WD can be good, as shown by cars like the Skyline GTR and 911 Turbo, but the aud system is complete crap, understeers all day
The M5 must be compared to the RS6 the RS4 is BMW 3. class. I read something about 480HP for the RS6. sorry for the bad english.
Where the hell did u get 4.1 from?
Well if my memory serves me correctly...isnt it Audi that now own Lamborghini? So that means they have a hand in one of the real supercar manufacturers... wouldnt they use some of Lambos ideas for their own products? (im not trying to put anyone down, im just wondering what might happen.)