Re: This car is very underrated

Discussion in '1970 Plymouth HEMI 'Cuda' started by Brad4321, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. This car is very underrated

    Both the 1970 and 1971 hemi and 440 cudas had their HP underrated to help pass the governments test. This car has more like 550 HP with the hemi, and a 440 6-pack isn't far behind. 117 for a top speed is also low. You can push a hemi to at least 130, but not much higher if you want to stay out of the red. I am not sure about the 70, but a 71 hemi can get 0-60 in 5.6.

    Even today, this is one of the best super cars around, and the 71 can beat over half of todays 'super cars'.
     
  2. Amen, I say! My 'bee will top out around 140, and that's with a 383. It is absurd that a smaller, and lighter car with a bigger engine can't do more.

    Oh, and on comparison to today's "Supercars," the 'Cuda (and all other muscle cars) will not only blow their doors off, but also blows them out of the water in looks, and affordability. Also, it takes more than a large bank account to own one of these babies. You've got to get your hands greasy, first and foremost...God forbid!

     
  3. These seem to be alot more common and easier to find than the challengers, there is just a slight difference, but why no one wants a challenger i dunno
     
  4. excellent specimens of real muscle.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. Best American car of its time. It beat the crap out of the fastest Camaros and Mustangs of its day. I wish a new version of it was produced nowadays.
     
  6. HHOW I LOVE IT TO FIND PEOPLE WHO CAN SEE THE TRUE BEAUTY OF A REAL AUTOMOBLIE. WHILE THE CAMAROS AND STANGS OF ITS TIME WERE QUICK, THE HEMI CUDA WAS AN UNDERRATED CAR, THAT MANY DID NOT GIVE A CHANCE. ALL AROUND TODAY, VINTAGE CAMAROS AND STANGS ARE ABUNDANT...BUT WHEN'S THE LAST TIME U SAW A CUDA DOWN THE STREET? SADLY, NOT ENOUGH...<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. This car is amazing. It's performance surpasses most modern sports cars. It is even better than the Shelby GT500. Sadly, Chrysler has declined. The Super8 Hemi is nothing compared to this musclecar of the past.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. The greatest part about these old classics (that fly, are 1/10th the cost of other supercars and just as beautiful, though different) is the fun you can have working on them. Nobody changes the oil on their Ferrari, let alone the carborater or engine. And old Camaros and Mustangs can't touch this car. So why are they still being built when the Barracuda is extinct? It's a pity. I wouldn't care if they made the exact same car they made in 1965, I'd want one.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. To compete with the Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaro "Pony Cars", Plymouth offered 3 distinct all-new E-body models for 1970- the standard Barracuda, the luxury Barracuda Gran Coupe, and the high performance 'Cuda. The 425 horse power HEMI 'Cuda is widely accepted as the quickest of the muscle cars, and is equally praised for the model's muscular and smoothly slammed styling. Besides the 426 cid HEMI, Plymouth and dodge offered 7 other engine options for 1970. In order of displacement they were: a 225 cid Slant 6 aka "Leaning Tower of Power", the 318 2bbl and 340 4bbl mice, a 383 2bbl and 4bbl, and the torquey 440 4bbl and 6bbl motors. Halfway through 1970, Chrysler decided to enter the Trans-Am circuit and introduced the 'Cuda AAR (All American Racing) and it sister the Challenger T/A (Trans Am). Both Trans-Am models were equipped with special 340cid 6bbl engines, beefed suspension, 4-wheel discs, and faster ratio steering. The Cuda AAR received a latchless matte black fiberglass hood with a unique scoop as well as ducktail and eye-brow spoilers and a unique "strobe" stripes. The seemingly unending list of options available for 1970 Barracudas included such goodies as 15X7" rallye wheels, shaker and Raisin Bran (two scoops) hoods, pistol grip shifters, hockey stick striping with engine displacement call-out, hood pins and a variety of creature comforts. All together, it made for one of the baddest hunks of steel ever to roll out of Detroit. Changes for 1971included truly obnoxious billboard stripes with engine displacement call-outs for the vision-impaired to read, a new 6 inlet grille design, fender gill louvers, and not much else. In 72, the government and EPA kicked the muscle car in the butt; for 1972 there was no more HEMI, no more 440 - no more big block PERIOD. Compression ratios were down on the remaining motors as emissions regulations strangled even the small blocks. Electronic ignition, however, became standard in this year. As the convertible model was eliminated to cut costs, the grill entered its third and final iteration and a new full-length side stripe was introduced. For 1973, crash worthiness warranted thickly padded bumper guards, and taste warranted more comfortable seats as well as the last new side stripe to be introduced. The Slant six was also eliminated in 1973. For 1974, the Barracuda model would forever pass into history due mostly to the gas crisis and increasing insurance rate. As a parting gift, Chrysler introduced the 360 4bbl engine for the `Cuda model in this year, but no other significant changes were made. Some say the `Cuda was a case of too little too late, and it's hard to disagree from a marketing and business standpoint, but the `Cuda will forever remain the fastest fish to spawn from the motor city. A little FYI.<IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  10. This car is so overrated it's not even funny. I have a friend who's father owned a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda and all he did was put in Bosch Platinum +4 spark plugs (since he ran super unleaded and the fish didn't like it) and when he put it on the dyno it churned out 563 horses and 591 lb-ft. this car could chew up and spit out anything short of a few Lamborghinis and Ferraris, and even then it gave them a run for their considerable amount of money. Sadly, the elephant powered fish was stolen and never tracked down. But I was glad to be able to ride in it once.
     
  11. hahahahaha i laugh at all of you but feel pity as well. i live in royal oak(detroit) mi right off of woodward. now if any of you are truely familar with muscle cars you should have heard of woodward someplace down the line. its the highway that most truely still to this day represents muscles cars. there isnt a single muscle car era auto i havent seen up close and alot i have parked in my yard (i sell the space for $20 for a few hours on somedays) my neighbor owns a cuda and damn is that car fast
     
  12. Hey guys, I posted the specs for the HEMI 'Cuda. The gross horsepower numbers were underrated for most of the Chrysler musclecars when compared with their GM/Ford counterparts and seen in their 1/4 mi. domination. Your daddy's 550 hp HEMI, however is highly modified (you're talking NET power ratings now), and all original acceleration times were done on factory bias-ply tires that can't hold a candle to even modern radials, let alone slicks. As far as top speed goes, it all depends on the rear gear ratio - you could get anywhere from a 2.76:1 ratio all the way up to 4.10:1, the latter having very low top speeds with quick acceleration, the former being able to achieve over 140 mph. I also wrote the blurb on this car - I kind of wish I could edit it - I made some mistakes - the Trans Am cars never had 4-wheel disks - that's just a lie. Anyway - this is how I would update it:

    To compete with the Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaro "Pony Cars", Plymouth offered 3 distinct all-new E-body models for 1970- the standard Barracuda, the luxury Barracuda Gran Coupe, and the high performance 'Cuda. The 425 horsepower HEMI 'Cuda is widely accepted as the quickest of the muscle cars, and is equally praised for the model's muscular and smoothly slammed styling. Besides the 426 cid HEMI, Plymouth and dodge offered 7 other engine options for 1970. In order of displacement they were: a 225 cid Slant 6 aka "Leaning Tower of Power", the 318 2bbl and 340 4bbl mice, a 383 2bbl and 4bbl, and the torquey 440 4bbl and 6bbl motors. Halfway through 1970, Chrysler decided to enter the Trans-Am circuit and introduced the 'Cuda AAR (All American Racers) and its sister the Challenger T/A (Trans Am). Both Trans-Am models were equipped with special 340cid 6bbl engines, beefed suspension, and fast ratio steering. The Cuda AAR received a matte black fiberglass hood with a unique scoop, ducktail and eyebrow spoilers, as well as unique "strobe" stripes. The seemingly unending list of options available for 1970 Barracudas included such goodies as 15X7" rallye wheels, shaker and Raisin Bran (two scoops) hoods, pistol grip shifters, hockey stick striping with engine displacement call-out, hood pins and a variety of creature comforts. All together, it made for one of the baddest hunks of steel ever to roll out of Detroit. Changes for 1971included enormous billboard stripes with engine displacement call-outs for the vision-impaired, a new 6 inlet grille, fender gill louvers, and not much else. In ‘72, the government and EPA kicked the muscle car in the butt; Chrysler decided to pull the plug on the HEMI, yanked the 440, and removed the rest of the big blocks in the lineup just for good measure. Compression ratios were down on the remaining motors as emissions regulations strangled even the small blocks. Electronic ignition, however, became standard in this year. As the convertible model was eliminated to cut costs, the grill entered its third and final iteration and a new full-length side stripe was introduced. For 1973, crash worthiness warranted thickly padded bumper guards, and taste warranted more comfortable seats as well as the last new side stripe to be introduced. The Slant six was also eliminated in 1973. For 1974, the Barracuda model would forever pass into history due mostly to the gas crisis and increasing insurance rates. As a parting gift, Chrysler replaced the legendary 340 with the long stroke 360 engine in the `Cuda model, but no other significant changes were made. Some say the `Cuda was a case of too little too late, and it's hard to disagree from a marketing and business standpoint, but the `Cuda will forever remain the fastest fish to spawn from the motor city.

    I would also put some other specs in the Owen decided he didn't like, such as tire size (F60), reciprocating ball steering (in different ratios depending on manual or power steering), front suspension was .92" diameter torsion bars, the front discs were 10.75 in. diamter discs, and there were a couple different diameter drums in the rear. The production number is also available, but I don't feel like looking it up. Anyway - I love these cars, as I have a '73 Barracuda that I enjoy Autocrossing and Drag Racing, but it only has the little 318 cid motor - those HEMIs are REALLY expensive in comparison.
     
  13. One of the few cars that has the performance to match its mean, agressive looks.

    Simply powerfull.
     
  14. This is my future car if I can find one of these....hell if I can't, I'll go wit my second choice: a '70 GTO Judge. I'ma put sum rims on it and stick an air scoop on it =P

    By the way, what in the world is that 4bbl and 6bbl that you mentioned?
     
  15. 4bbl and 6bbl are abbreviations for "4 barrel carburetor" and "6 barrel carburetor" You might also see these as "4v" or "6v" for "four venturi" or "6 venturi". A carburetor works by the engine sucking air through venturis that speed up the airflow and help suck gas into the flow. Carburetor manufacturers wanted to use the same small parts for different sized engines, so instead of making bigger venturis, they just added more. The 6bbl intake was actually 3 2-barrel carburetors. A Dodge 6bbl was known as a 6-pack, while the Plymouth 6bbl was known simply as 6-barrel (I know Pontiacs were Tri-power, but I don't remember what it was for other musclecars). If you already knew all of this stuff, I'm sorry for oversimplifying.
     
  16. i know some people think it sucks but it rules.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. Somebody out there thinks this car sucks? that's crazy talk. It doesn't get any better than this!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. Some one needs schooling then. I personally think this is one of the American Muscle cars greatest achievments. It still out runs most cars in the 1/4, and its over 30 years old.
     
  19. Yes, the "Police Interceptor." They actually stopped production in 1972 after many people outran the police in these cars. They were the ultimate muscle cars... a convertable version of a '71 (one of 7 produced) sold for $410,000 in Seattle in '98 - at a police auction.

    The MaxWedge 440, itself, was underrated at 440 HP, and since the 'Hemi was essentially a MaxWedge 426 with 2:1 extra compression (that's 70 extra horses and a hundred foot-pounds, in the least), it is perfectly plausible that these cars were churning over 500 horses stock.
     
  20. THIS CAR WILL NOT BEAT SUPERCARS TODAY. 1.4 mile and 0-100 maybe, but not around a track, forget it. Its great, and for its time outstanding, but dont overestimate its ability.
     
  21. Ford carbs are called barrels (2 barrel, 4 barrel)

    Some other variants for Ford include: dual quads (2 4 bbl carbs) and cross-boss carbs.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. You all must be smikin crack, because this is a great piece of muscle, haalf the country agrees w/ me ..<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. I don't think anyone said it would around the track, or in gas mileage, or in luxury. Thats not what these cars are about. They are about listening to the engine having a low and louder bass than most of todays car stereos. They are about beating the car next to you who pulls up at the stop light. They are about being able to work on the car yourself without 50K worth of equipment.
     
  24. The Cuda was one of the best musclecars ever be put on a production line.It would easily out do any of these new production cars made today.Nobody ever thinks of this car when they talk about musclecars.
     
  25. hey if you want it to turn good you can make it into a g-machine a kit for it is under 700 bucks and it turn just as good as any car on the road.<!-- Signature -->
     

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