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Discussion in '2000 Pontiac Firebird MMS 421 Concept' started by 2003 ss R, Aug 10, 2002.
This car vs. jap. cars
This car wiil wip a japanese car anyday.
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Actually yeah it will Dumbass! Every car on your list has turbos... Drop two into this thing and the horsepower will reach 4 digits. <!-- Signature -->
I dont get it... the list of cars he posted dont even come close to this firebird, and plymouth is a jap now? since when? this monster would eat any jap car!
if we are gonna be comparing turbos then get the 800TT viper or even better the ligenfelter 427 twin turbo corvette that ran mid 9's with out NOS and beat the crap out of the viper. i would hate to see what ligenfelter coud do with this if it gave it the same package as the corvette.
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So fuxen Stupid lol Maybe most JAp cars but i own the 3rd fastest Jap Gto in North America 678 hp 1\4 9.3402 I Somehow doubt this would beat my Quart time if so No way it Could beat my track times this char from RallyArt costed 200k yen from the GT shop it only had Bhp of 487
Even with that Hp the Power to weight was much greater Use your brain before you say this can beat all cars from one Place.
On the Other hand I also Love How this car Ownz Without the Use of Super Chargers.. Great Use of Displacment here for a Stock Class car to have 600hp with no help.
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<b>So fuxen Stupid lol Maybe most JAp cars but i own the 3rd fastest Jap Gto in North America 678 hp 1\4 9.3402 I Somehow doubt this would beat my Quart time if so No way it Could beat my track times this char from RallyArt costed 200k yen from the GT shop it only had Bhp of 487
Even with that Hp the Power to weight was much greater Use your brain before you say this can beat all cars from one Place.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Then again youre lying. That is not sufficient HP on a GTO to run low 9s, which you couldnt do on street tires anyway.<!-- Signature -->
Well even if your car could run the 1/4 mile in 9.3sec. the new lingenfelter could do it in 9.2sec with regular street tires.
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Why do you people always think that turbos give the car an unfair advantage, I mean the displace ment this car has is another unfair advantage (so they cancel out(i guesse)). There are some tuner supras that might be able to beat this, but they dont look or sound as good. The 427TT could beat probably any japanese car. I would rather have this but i would have to change the wheels.<!-- Signature -->
this car would be crazy if it had nitrous or a turbo pontiac is stupid if they dont make it but yes it probably would smoke most japanese cars
for me that doeszn't matter
what people don't realize is that japanese cars that are built for speed are not that fast. A stock supra's top speed is somewhere around 140. A stock Corvette's top speed is 175. Please don't tell me that I'm compairing unevenly, I'm compairing the best of Japan at roughly 250 horses and the best of American at 400 stock vs. stock, base model vs. base model. People are disoriented by the ground effects, the loud sound, the whines of turbos and # of cars, so they think that Japan is better. I'll always believe that the power is in american hands. I mean look at this beauty of detroit engineering. It's 625 horses, more horses than a Lamborghini with 4 more cylinders. Don't tell me that America doesn't make cars capable of whoopin' any Japanese car. Don't tell me that this car with a supercharger can't make any more than 900 horses. Don't tell me that a Supra or a Civic can beat it. I could probably squeeze over 1500 horses out from this thing and make it roar like no import could ever dream of.
Beautifully said!!!! I swear I could almost hear a chorus of angels singing after he finished! Problem was identified and remedied instantly!
I say, it all depends on the stock specs of the cars you're racing other wise you can forget compairing, besides compairing cars that aren't in the same class is simply ridiculous!
Claiming that one car will whip anything from an entire country is a bit stupid, I'm sorry.
I admire your love for Trans-Ams, but you are just a #$%#ing idiot, I'm sorry, but there just isn't any way to say it nicely.
This is just a concept, nothing more. It has absolutely NO hope of ever even being remotely considered as a production vehicle.
That said, there is no way in hell a 600 hp TA "owns" all vehicles from Japan...Jesus, you guys aren't that stupid are you? I love Trans-AMs...I own 2 Firebirds, a '78, and a '98 Formula. A few of you guys just spout of nonsense about the Lingenfelter TT 'Vette...you're like trained parrots. You see it in Motortrend, and then whenever someone opens their mouth about cars, you start spouting off numbers and how great this Twin Turbo Vette is.
Let me let you in on a little secret...Lingenfelter, Hennessy, and the like are businessmen. They don't give a rats ass about performance, just selling their over-priced kits to morons like you who think it's the greatest thing in the world. Someone with half a brain could spend half the money, and get their Vette just as fast as the Lingenfelter...and without turbos.
That said, personally I dislike this concept. The front end is rather ugly, and I don't like the ground effects...the exsisting WS6 looks tenfold better in my opinion.
You guys just need to calm down a bit, and don't let rycers get under your skin. Every time some moron in a rycemobile Civic tries to race you, you can't go spouting off bullshit about how all Japanese cars suck....I hate the econobox "racers" as much as anyone.
Just be glad it's not hip to have muscle cars...because then it would be all of our car parts that were way overpriced due to the mass demand from all the high school kids.
There's an upside to everything
It Would Beat Any Jap Car In A Straight Line?
(sorry I just couldn't stand having such an incomprehensible last comment in this thread)
Anyway, does anyone know of any body-kits similar to this? Or does anyone have anyway of contacting MMS?
I'm dying to have this car but I can't seem to find any information...
Oh and by the way:
ALL YOU IDIOTS WHO COMPARE CARS BASED ON NATIONALITY ARE IDIOTIC **** HEADS!
Thank you, have a nice day.
P.S: However much I like this car and nearly every other Firebird I understand that the only reasonable way to compare cars is by raw statistics and price; taking each car on its own merits while taking cost into consideration.
Example: Anyone who would presume to compare a Firebird or Corvette to a Ferrari or Lambourghini or Aston Martin or whatever doesn't deserve to foul these boards with their presence. Cars should be compared by Bang for Buck ratio with no regard for anything beyond raw performance and price.
P.P.S: Which is exactly why I think the Firebirds come out on top every time, best Bang for the Buck.
PLEASE, STOP THIS JAP CRAP BULLSHIT!!! IT'S MAKING SICK! YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS SAYING HOW JAPANESE CARS SUCK AND HOW THEY'RE SHITTY! ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE YOUR LOVE FOR AMERICAN MUSCLE, YOU HAVE GOT TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE JAP CARS THAT HAUL ASS LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER! YES, I KNOW THIS CAR COULD GIVE JAPANESE TUNERS A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THIS WILL AUTOMATICALLY WHUP A JAPANESE CAR. I MEAN, I KNOW SOME CARS TUNED UP SO MUCH, THEY WOULD WHUP THIS CAR. EXTREMELY FIXED UP SUPRAS, NSX'S, RX-7'S, SKYLINES, S2000'S, 350Z'S, 300ZX'S, AND ALL THOSE OTHER CARS! DON'T JUDGE CARS BY THEIR NATIONALITY! JUDGE THEM BY THEIR POWER AND PERFORMANCE.
I couldn't agree with you anymore! Man, you are so 100% right! If I was moderator, I'd give a shitload of karma points just for this speech!
well, i do believe you can compare this car to the whole country. isn't there a restriction on hp for over there? yeah, thought so. so don't start sayin the japanese could make muscle cars. cuz they won't. that's not what they do. some sports cars, yes. muscle cars, no. ok......and people comparing modified cars to stock cars. cmon, you can't think that's right. oh, and to that dude who thinks a turboed engine is equal and fair to a larger engine. no...na does not equal turbo. ok, enough said. straight line, most american stock sports cars kill japanese cars.
before u guy start talkin shit about ll japanese cars you might wanna check out the Tommy Kaira ZZ 2
horsepower is horspower
torque is torque
doesn't matter where its aspirated from nub