Re: this ferrari is a copy of the ford gt40

Discussion in '1966 Dino 206 S' started by Randini, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. this ferrari is a copy of the ford gt40

    whatdo you think? is a copy or not?
     
  2. They do look just alike, but the Ferrari is uglier. I dont like that back extension. I'm not sure which one came before the other so I cant say that Ford copied off of Ferrari or vise versa. <!-- Signature -->
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Randini</i>
    <b>whatdo you think? is a copy or not?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> ferrari has been producing cars like this or very similar in design years b4 ford came out out with the gt40. the gt40 didnt come out until 65 i believe when the ferrari gto was kicking the shit out of the cobra<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. i think it is ford who copied fom ferrari<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. not at all. You're stupid.
    They are NOTHING alike.
     
  6. any similarities are the fault of ford, im sure. there are many examples of this.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. Ford's GT-40 was a copy of the Shelby Daytona Coupe, which came out in 1963, before this car. And Shelbys/GT-40 never got there asses kicked by the Ferrari GTO, it was the other way around. Both cars won twice at LeMans - ahead of Ferrari. Shelby even took his Mustangs over to Cypress and beat Porsches, Lambourghinis and Ferraris there. This #$%#ing anti-Ford shit is getting old.
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Ford's GT-40 was a copy of the Shelby Daytona Coupe, which came out in 1963, before this car. And Shelbys/GT-40 never got there asses kicked by the Ferrari GTO, it was the other way around. Both cars won twice at LeMans - ahead of Ferrari. Shelby even took his Mustangs over to Cypress and beat Porsches, Lambourghinis and Ferraris there. This #$%#ing anti-Ford shit is getting old.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->you retard, other way around, the ferrari's gto was the year when ferrari started fighting back and KICKED the shit out of the SHELBY COBRA, so ford fought back with the gt40 and won lemans, i never said the gto killed the gt40. try reading my posts. and i'll be as anti-ford as i like thankyou, especialy when ur trashing ferrari. i never said the cobras and gt-40's suck, infact imo they were the best things to ever come out of america. however i dont have much love for the mustangs, there all displacement, they need massive v8's to get the power a v6 or even i-4 could generate. not much for the body style either, however thats all in opinion, u may hate imports, while i am not a huge fan of domestics, but thats no big deal, ppl have different opinions and tastes, but please, dont make up fake race history to make america look good. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  9. Everyone everyone gather round. I am about to tell you about the sickest showing of the Supra ever. Go on morpheus and download "Getaway in stockholm 2" it kicks so much ass. It is a supra flying around the freeways and streets of Stockholm, the camera is mounted on the bumper of an Escort Cosworth, both cars tuned to around 450 hp. Check it out for the love of God. These drivers are my heroes . It is so funny to see the police cars get blown by. Tell me if you've seen it, you will be one of the lucky few...

    Kalypso<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. We all know Ferrari is better than ford. I agree, nobody needs to say it. Its a generally known fact. Btw, Ferrari had 250s out before the Shelby came around, and that is where all the cars people have mentioned are derived from.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Actually, greghourian, read YOUR race history, the two years Shelbys won the LeMans, Ferarri wasn't in it, and that HP/Liter BULLSHIT is the stupidest, most unfounded line of crap I've ever heard. Know anything about engines? I guess not.
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from greghourigan</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Randini</i>
    <b>whatdo you think? is a copy or not?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> ferrari has been producing cars like this or very similar in design years b4 ford came out out with the gt40. the gt40 didnt come out until 65 i believe when the ferrari gto was kicking the shit out of the cobra</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Thank you.

    How could any of you guys even think too say Ferrari would copy Ford? Are you on crack?

    GTO's victories:

    1962 Sebring: 1st in GT class, 2nd overall
    May 6, 1962: GTO was first in class at Targa Floria and 4th overall
    Le Mans (same year): 1st in GT class, 2nd overall
    Paris 1000kms: 1st, 4th, 5th
    1963: 1st, Tour de France
    1964: Daytona 2000km: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
    1964 Sebring: 1st, GT class
    1964: Tour de France - 1st, 2nd
    (There's much more than this)

    FERRARI WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP WITH THE SHELBY COBRAS IN 2ND in 64'.
    (Taken from "Ferrari" by Godrey Eaton.)

    The GTO went on to claim 3 manufacturers titles in all I believe.
    And did it with 3.0L's, against your 6.0-7.0L monstrosities, or however huge those V8's were.
     
  13. much as i love ferraris enzo did cheat a little to beat them damn ford/shellby things. he delayed the race and used his influence to put in restrictions so his 250lm could win. n e ways ford had a few glory years in the 60's and 70's now look at the shit they build
     
  14. GT-40 was a direct decendent of the Shelby Daytona Coupe - which was a hard top version of the A/C Shelby Cobra... which made it's debut in 1962 AGAINST THE FERARRI GTO. So I guess neither of them copied anyone.

    Right now Ford has the second-best handling road car available, behind the Corvette Z06. Shut up.
     
  15. Ford has the second-best handling car out today?
    I doubt that. You mean in America? Which Ford?

    I think the Ferrari 360 Modena, Porsche Boxster S, Nissan Skyline GTR, Subaru WRX, all cars that are famous for good handling must be better than the Ford you're talking about...
     
  16. Cobra R, 0.99g skidpad against ALL production vehicles in the world today not specifically designed for track use only, behind the Z06's 1.00g. Well, according to both Car and Driver and Road and Track magazines, anyway...
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Actually, greghourian, read YOUR race history, the two years Shelbys won the LeMans, Ferarri wasn't in it, and that HP/Liter BULLSHIT is the stupidest, most unfounded line of crap I've ever heard. Know anything about engines? I guess not.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->i know nothing about engines? haha right! anyways regarding hp/litre, okay yes this isnt the most imoportant thing in the world, however if you knew anything about engines you would completely understand getting the same amount of hp out of lets say for example a 3 litre engine, that u could out of 5 litre engine, what do u think would be the better engine? the 3 litre no doubt due to the fact that it saves weight by using up less cubic inches, possibly less fuel and less room. also regarding lemans etc, i am sure a lot of you know a lot more about the 1960's lemans finishings, however i have seen quite a few specials on the cobras history, aswell as ferrari's, i have also read numerous articles, and as far as i am concerned this is how the story goes, shelby cobra were dominating every race they could get into, until one year when the ferrari gto came out, the very next year ford replaced the cobra with the gt40 and beat the ferrari.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. yoo kalypso where the fuk do u d.l that video dude, i mean shit u got me all hyped up man n than wha the fuk no link, thas not right man, hook it up with the website or something
     
  19. Well, gregourian, no, you have just proved to everyone that you don't know anything about engines. A larger displacement engine WEIGHS more because it DISPLACES more? Since displacement is the amount of compressed air/gas mixture your engine can fully compress and discharge in four cycles, than the opposite can be true. A Chevy 502 motor actually weighs less than a 396, it just has longer rods.

    As for specific output: to produce twice as much power, you must expell four times as much energy. A larger engine has to work harder on an exponential curve, so you can't effectively measure an engine's efficiency based on HP/Liter. You could compare two engines of the same displacement with this figure, but not just any two engines. A 50cc 12 HP lawnmower has 240 HP/Liter - not because it 2 and a half times as efficient as this Ferarri, but because it doesn't need to work nearly as hard to make 12 as it would to make 218 (almost 400 times harder).

    I have built several high-horsepower motors, and I'll go ahead and say it: no, greagourian, you don't know anything about engines.
     
  20. Well this is intresting. First off the p2, p3, p4, p5, were in direct competition with the various marks of gt'40s the one that was shown in your picture is the le mans winning version. ferrari had a design similar to this before the gt 40 came out, and it really depended on the mark of the car the every ferrari was one upped by the outcoming of a ford, and then ferrari rebounded and built somthing better only to see the next mark of gt40 come out. For a while the ferrari's were on top as seen by the p5's (i think it was the p5 anyway) at daytona.
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from vwdrivervw</i>
    <b>Well this is intresting. First off the p2, p3, p4, p5, were in direct competition with the various marks of gt'40s the one that was shown in your picture is the le mans winning version. ferrari had a design similar to this before the gt 40 came out, and it really depended on the mark of the car the every ferrari was one upped by the outcoming of a ford, and then ferrari rebounded and built somthing better only to see the next mark of gt40 come out. For a while the ferrari's were on top as seen by the p5's (i think it was the p5 anyway) at daytona.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Opps goofed, it was the p4's at daytona that finished 1, 2, 3 and even had enough time at the end to form up and take it in a 3 abrest formation. Sorry bout that.
     
  22. OH DEAR...
    GREGHOURIGAN AND BROWN DOGGIE... AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO SOLVE YOUR DISPUTE... BOTH BUILD A FUG OFF GREAT MOTOR THEN STICK IT IN A SHELL AND GO FOR A NICE LITTLE 1/4 MILE RUN INNIT?
    CHEERS!
     
  23. its similar to the GT40 in looks alone i'd say. its mostly just the same overall shape, its distinct in every small detail though.

    gt40 was heavier with a much larger engine <!-- Signature -->
     
  24. legitimate copy.
    until it seems that you Iron ordered her copy Ford GT40...
    but I until today wonder.
    why the cars of race of the time all were like this?
    don't you find to Ferrari 206S, Ford GT40 and Alfa Tipo 33 Stradale, done seem too much??
     
  25. I said in reply to his false claim:
    Ford has the second-best handling car out today?
    I doubt that. You mean in America? Which Ford?
    I think the Ferrari 360 Modena, Porsche Boxster S, Nissan Skyline GTR, Subaru WRX, all cars that are famous for good handling must be better than the Ford you're talking about...

    he answered:


    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Cobra R, 0.99g skidpad against ALL production vehicles in the world today not specifically designed for track use only, behind the Z06's 1.00g. Well, according to both Car and Driver and Road and Track magazines, anyway...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You don't measure handling. There's more to it than that.

    But if you want to play by numbers:

    The Diablo 6.0 has .99g
    The Cobra R has .99g
    The Z06 has 1.0g
    The Porsche 911 Turbo (996) has .96g

    Those are skidpad numbers. It is a form of handling. The slalom is more important as a form of handling. The slalom actually involves the twisites (cones) and it generates a speed. The higher the speed the more capable the car is to go fast in heavy and frequent cornering. This is handling.

    You would predict that the Porsche 911 Turbo would have the worst speed because you don't know what handling is and you would look at the .96g and assume it has worse handling in corners than the Z06, Diablo6.0 and Cobra R. The Diablo is faster, the Z06 is basically its equal and the Cobra R is the lesser.

    Diablo 6.0 slalom speed: 66.4 mph
    Z06: 67.1 mph
    Cobra R: 63.8 mph
    Porsche 911 Turbo: an all-beating 67.8 mph

    Now you see that the 911 Turbo has better slaloms than the other cars, even though it is not necessarily faster.

    I believe you would find it interesting that the SVT Cobra has .85g on the skidpad and The SVT Cobra R has .99g on the skidpad.
    The SVT Cobra has a slalom speed of 64.5 mph and the Cobra R, with a better skidpad, has a slalom speed of 63.8 mph.

    wierd, huh?.......

    Face it. The Cobra R does not have great handling. It comes at a way higher price than the Z06, too. And it breaks down before the Z06 and the driver of the Cobra R goes deaf first, too. And gets an aching butt first.

    take back your claim?
     

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