Re: this ferrari is a copy of the ford gt40

Discussion in '1966 Dino 206 S' started by Randini, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from greghourigan</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Ford's GT-40 was a copy of the Shelby Daytona Coupe, which came out in 1963, before this car. And Shelbys/GT-40 never got there asses kicked by the Ferrari GTO, it was the other way around. Both cars won twice at LeMans - ahead of Ferrari. Shelby even took his Mustangs over to Cypress and beat Porsches, Lambourghinis and Ferraris there. This #$%#ing anti-Ford shit is getting old.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->you retard, other way around, the ferrari's gto was the year when ferrari started fighting back and KICKED the shit out of the SHELBY COBRA, so ford fought back with the gt40 and won lemans, i never said the gto killed the gt40. try reading my posts. and i'll be as anti-ford as i like thankyou, especialy when ur trashing ferrari. i never said the cobras and gt-40's suck, infact imo they were the best things to ever come out of america. however i dont have much love for the mustangs, there all displacement, they need massive v8's to get the power a v6 or even i-4 could generate. not much for the body style either, however thats all in opinion, u may hate imports, while i am not a huge fan of domestics, but thats no big deal, ppl have different opinions and tastes, but please, dont make up fake race history to make america look good. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Winnig LeMans didn' make ameriaca (ford) look good??????
     
  2. Maranello, skidpad is more important; whereas the slalom is a driver's ability to maintain as high an average speed through cones spaced 100 ft apart, skidpad is the vehicle's physical ability to hold the road. But according to my Road & Track magazine here, Cobra R is above every other production car except the Z06 in both catagories. So bite the bullet and except the truth.

    And as for your "it'll break down first" comment in regards to the R, that was about the most childish comment I've heard yet. Yeah, well, Italian cars... break down... sooner... naaaah.

    Steve - I allready got mine - built 392 CID Cleveland in my '66 Pro-Street. Runs low 12's, atleast that's what my timeslips said last time I looked at 'em.
     
  3. #28 TwoPynts, Aug 9, 2002
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  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Maranello, skidpad is more important; whereas the slalom is a driver's ability to maintain as high an average speed through cones spaced 100 ft apart, skidpad is the vehicle's physical ability to hold the road. But according to my Road & Track magazine here, Cobra R is above every other production car except the Z06 in both catagories. So bite the bullet and except the truth.

    And as for your "it'll break down first" comment in regards to the R, that was about the most childish comment I've heard yet. Yeah, well, Italian cars... break down... sooner... naaaah.

    Steve - I allready got mine - built 392 CID Cleveland in my '66 Pro-Street. Runs low 12's, atleast that's what my timeslips said last time I looked at 'em.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You aren't reading your Road and Track very well. I subscribe.
     
  5. Brown Doggie,

    The Cobra R is not second best in both categories.

    Cars that have equal or better skidpads:
    Corvette Z06
    Diablo 6.0
    Porsche 911 GT1 street
    Porsche 911 GT2

    Cars that are equal or better in the slalom:
    Acura RSX Type S
    McLaren F1
    Audi TT coupe 1.8T
    BMW M5
    BMW 330i
    Corvette Z06
    Dodge Viper GTS-R
    Ferrari F50
    Ferrari 360 Modena
    Ferrari 360 Spider
    Honda S2000
    Lamborghini Diablo 6.0
    Lexus IS300
    Mercedes C32
    Mercedes SLK32
    Porsche Boxster
    Porsche Boxster S
    Porsche 911 Turbo
    Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet
    Porsche 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
    Porsche 911 GT2

     
  6. besides brown doggie, there is more to handling than the skidpad and the slalom. (And by the way, that slalom comment about it being all dependent on the driver... those tests are all run by expert drivers and they can drive the slalom no matter what. What matters is how easy the car is to handle in the slalom).
    For example, downforce matters to handling, steering matters to handling. Those Mercedes LeMans cars have unbelievable skidpads, like all race cars. They took off into flight and flipped over. Do you think that is good handling? There is more to handling than measurements.
     
  7. Those measurements are the best measure of a car's day-to-day handling. And if you subscribe, look in the back of the Dec '01 issue (I think, anyway, or Nov). It has the performance numbers of all the production cars to date '01, w/ best/worst numbers in bold. Z06 is first in Skidpad/slolam, R is second.
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Those measurements are the best measure of a car's day-to-day handling. And if you subscribe, look in the back of the Dec '01 issue (I think, anyway, or Nov). It has the performance numbers of all the production cars to date '01, w/ best/worst numbers in bold. Z06 is first in Skidpad/slolam, R is second.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I SUBSCRIBE!!!! Look above at my previous entry and you wiill see all the cars that are above it. I subscribe to Road and Track and Car and Driver, I buy Automobile and Motor Trend at the newsstands. You are so blind. Look in the January 2002 issue (with the New Italian Exotics on the cover) of RT and you will see where those numbers above are from. I am looking in the back at the Road Test Summary, on page 130. Also look in Motor Trend pg. 124-127 in the January Issue. Unfortunately, it seems Automobile and Car and Driver don't have one of those. I can't believe you have that Road and Track but don't see all those cars that are better than it.
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Those measurements are the best measure of a car's day-to-day handling. And if you subscribe, look in the back of the Dec '01 issue (I think, anyway, or Nov). It has the performance numbers of all the production cars to date '01, w/ best/worst numbers in bold. Z06 is first in Skidpad/slolam, R is second.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The Porsche 911 GT2 is the best in both categories.
    The Porsche 911 Turbo is second best.
    The Corvette Z06 is third best.
    The Lamborghini Diablo 6.0 is fourth best.

    Those are in both categories, an average of both. While the Cobra R has .99g on the skidpad, its bad slalom takes it off the best list.
     
  10. around this time lambo also made a copy of the GT40, the Miura,
    alot of sports cars around this time were based on the GT40 design.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Guess what - Car and Driver just did a WHOLE ARTICLE about how the '02 Z06 is faster, handles better AND gets better mileage than the 911. As for your previous statements... the '01 was FIRST, of every production car, I don't get what the hell you're all looking at.
     
  12. This car isn't a copy of the GT-40.

    The GT-40 had power.
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>Guess what - Car and Driver just did a WHOLE ARTICLE about how the '02 Z06 is faster, handles better AND gets better mileage than the 911. As for your previous statements... the '01 was FIRST, of every production car, I don't get what the hell you're all looking at.
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    I'm looking at the newest Road and Track. The Porsche 911 GT2 (it's different from the 911, buddy) is highlighted bold in both categories. Well, you're right, you are definitely not getting something but I'm sick of arguing on this topic with a feckless fool such as you.
     
  14. well i dont like fords or anything realy, but the GT-40is better than this i think. but still this isnt bad.
     
  15. The GT40 is two years older but they aren't very similar. I rank both of them in my top five.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. History Lesson

    As a matter of fact, the Shelby Cobra and the GT40 were developed somewhat independently. Whereas the Cobra had an off the shelf Ford 427 side oiler, the GT40 had a Gurney-Weslake V8, which is probably closer to one of the Ford V8's that Lotus was using in F1 racing in the late 60's. Much of the GT40 was 'lifted' off of the McLarens of the day as well as the Jaguar XJ-13 prototype. And, by the way, the Daytona Coupe was a rebodied Cobra. Any difference in performance is soley due to improved aerodynamics of the closed car.
     
  17. I'm with Maranello29. I honesyly don't think they look that much alike. But if I had to choose between the two and they looked exactly the same, I would definitely go for the Ferrari. <!-- Signature -->
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BrownDoggie</i>
    <b>GT-40 was a direct decendent of the Shelby Daytona Coupe - which was a hard top version of the A/C Shelby Cobra... which made it's debut in 1962 AGAINST THE FERARRI GTO. So I guess neither of them copied anyone.

    Right now Ford has the second-best handling road car available, behind the Corvette Z06. Shut up. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Damn what the hell is up with you?? The Cobra Daytona was based on the AC Cobra and featured a front engine mounted in a tubular chassis. The GT40 is a midengined prototype with a (semi-)monocoque chassis. The GT40 is based on the Lola Mk VI, which made its debut in the 1963 LeMans race.<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. a copy of the GT40? it weighs half of the GT40 and has a tiny engine.

    oh wait it is mid-engined so of course it must be a copy, the Diablo must be a copy of the GT40 too.
     
  20. HOW CAN THE FERRARI BE A COPY OF FORD WHEN THIS ONE IS 1966 AND THE FORD GT40 IS 1994, EXPLAIN THAT DUMMY!!!
     

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