Re: To ALL American car lovers wanted to post.

Discussion in '2002 Honda NSX Coupe' started by Chii, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. To ALL American car lovers wanted to post.

    Please read before you post anything.

    Remember. All, and that is ALL, Japanese cars are LIMITED to 280ps, roughly about 290 hp. So don't say Japanese cars have lack of power.

    This V6 is capable of producing over 500 hp. without supercharging or turbos, and unlike the corvettes or the viper, it's still only a V6.

    Until you have a car that have a V6 with out turbo and supercharging and could still make 500+hp. then please don't compare it to a corvette, please.

    You could compare with a race car, but not turbos, and 6 cylinders please.

    Thank you.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b>The Japanese cars are also electroniclly limited to their top speed.
    I'm not saying they can't compare, but it's just not fair.
    California have emission standards, so? I don't know, but I though all Japanese cars could be in the limit as well.
    The V6, can it be over 500+ after tuning from factory?
    Without turbo that is.
    They could only produce 280ps. but if there's no limit, they could produce much more, there's the problems to all Japanese cars, they can't go higher then 280ps, think of a Z06 using 280ps.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> As I said above the California emisson standards draw power from American cars. If they didn't have those laws you would see even Higher powered American cars. Just as if the Japanese didn't have law limits they could produce more powerfull cars. It is totally fair. USA as HorsePower hindering laws just as Japan does. USA has electroniclly limited top speed laws just as Japan does.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. I think the type S Zero would win.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from mpg</i>
    <b>I just checked some numbers on this website. The Camaro SS has a better power/weight ratio and wider tires. More importantly, I discovered an NSX-R on this website. It seems like a better place for this conservation but I think I already said everything that I want to say about this subject. If you post something over there I'll read and possibly reply. Please reply on this thread if you want to go over there.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    NSX Type S Zero is lighter than the NSX Type R, it's the true top-of-the-line NSX.
    and I really like the Honda Navigation System on the NSX.<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    Z06 don't have this, do they? I've never went in to the chevey dealership.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Nope they don't. In fact you'll be deeply dissapointed in its fit and finish and overall craftsmanship. The interior design is cheap and total turn off. But I'd LEASE the Z06 for 3 years and just drive the SH$t out of it and give it back when time's up. It's a gr8 track performer and a bit of a head-turner and that's what I'd love about the car, and the styling's not too shabby either. But I'd be burdened to have to keep this car for more than 3 years because funny things may happen to most American cars (like my 1998 G. Caravan), like reliability problems and screws coming loose. Yes, yes, I'm gonna get flamed by domestic muscle car lovers for saying that, and you're gonna use the 24 Hr. endurance races to prove that the Corvette C-5 will last, but haven't you realized that the C-5's used in those events ARE anything BUT stock? If you'd get one of these Vettes straight from the assy' line built by folks that get paid diddly squat and may have no pride in their work ethics you're not getting the same reliability as you would for a Lemans or Rolex 24hr. Modified C-5's that has been extensively and painstakenly reworked by the team's engineering crew. Now don't get me wrong, I believe that Chevy's got something going there with the C-5 and Z06's in the engineering dept., esp. with the LS1 V-8's, but PUTTING THE CAR TOGETHER as a whole at the assy. line that won't fall apart has NOTHIING TO DO with engineering! That's got lots to do with the assy. workers' work ethics, right? Pennies for your thoughts.....
     
  5. wow.
    I saw atleast 10 police cars in cristmas<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Dude, just because your country has certian laws we can't compare a Japanese exotic to an American car? If car magazines such as Car & Driver compare US to Japanese I think it should be allowd for us to do so as well. Regardless of Japanese HP potential, the fact still remains Japanese cars produce less hp in there stock off the line form (Generally speaking).

    Also, becuase of California emmision standards, American cars are also hinderd out of there Horse Power Potential, so I guess it still evens out eh?

    In addition, Americans are also able to build good 6cylider powerplants. GM's new inline six put's out 273HP naturally asperated. The Buick Grand National GNX was a single Turbo V6. It was the Fastest producion car in it's time (yes it was a Turbo, but none the less has Japan ever had the title of Fastest production car? I'm actually asking a question here.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. The Japanese cars are also electroniclly limited to their top speed.
    I'm not saying they can't compare, but it's just not fair.
    California have emission standards, so? I don't know, but I though all Japanese cars could be in the limit as well.
    The V6, can it be over 500+ after tuning from factory?
    Without turbo that is.
    They could only produce 280ps. but if there's no limit, they could produce much more, there's the problems to all Japanese cars, they can't go higher then 280ps, think of a Z06 using 280ps.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. How about the 320 HP Supras and 3000 GT's that came from Japan? The FACT is that it is an agreement that has been regularly broke.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rthompson</i>
    <b>How about the 320 HP Supras and 3000 GT's that came from Japan? The FACT is that it is an agreement that has been regularly broke.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    3000GT was tuned by TRD.
    Tuned cars are fine.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rthompson</i>
    <b>How about the 320 HP Supras and 3000 GT's that came from Japan? The FACT is that it is an agreement that has been regularly broke.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    3000GT was tuned by TRD.
    Tuned cars are fine.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    A mitsubishi tuned by a Toyota company.... i don't think so.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. oh sorry, I though you're saying the 3000GT TRD supra.
    supra and 3000GT... those that are in Amerca?
    You noticed something?
    There's no 280ps. limit in America.
    And they are turbos, so they might be able to change a little when they leaves to Japan, sadly, they aren't being produced anymore.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. Chii

    I thought you loved this car. Saying that it's not fair to compare it to American cars is a major insult to this car.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. I do, it can't be compared with American cars becaouse they don't have a V6 MR, they rarely have MRs. That's why.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. I admit that weight distribution is one of the areas where the NSX is better than the Corvette. I drive a 93 MR2 which I bought new and have modifed over the years. I haven't owned anything that wasn't Japanese for about 20 years. It sounds like the NSX type-S and the Z06 would make a good race but I think the Z06 would win.<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. I just checked some numbers on this website. The Camaro SS has a better power/weight ratio and wider tires. More importantly, I discovered an NSX-R on this website. It seems like a better place for this conservation but I think I already said everything that I want to say about this subject. If you post something over there I'll read and possibly reply. Please reply on this thread if you want to go over there.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b>I think the type S Zero would win.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I think the Z06 would win.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from mpg</i>
    <b>I just checked some numbers on this website. The Camaro SS has a better power/weight ratio and wider tires. More importantly, I discovered an NSX-R on this website. It seems like a better place for this conservation but I think I already said everything that I want to say about this subject. If you post something over there I'll read and possibly reply. Please reply on this thread if you want to go over there.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    NSX Type S Zero is lighter than the NSX Type R, it's the true top-of-the-line NSX.
    and I really like the Honda Navigation System on the NSX.<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
    Z06 don't have this, do they? I've never went in to the chevey dealership.<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. The type-S Zero is stripped for racing. You could easily remove those parts from the Z06. It probably has a navigation system. Many cars in the U.S. have it. Both domestic and imported.<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. Yeah it have a nav sys, do Z06 have one?
    still, the Z06 didn't remove those parts, did they?<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b>Please read before you post anything.

    Remember. All, and that is ALL, Japanese cars are LIMITED to 280ps, roughly about 290 hp. So don't say Japanese cars have lack of power.

    This V6 is capable of producing over 500 hp. without supercharging or turbos, and unlike the corvettes or the viper, it's still only a V6.

    Until you have a car that have a V6 with out turbo and supercharging and could still make 500+hp. then please don't compare it to a corvette, please.

    You could compare with a race car, but not turbos, and 6 cylinders please.

    Thank you.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    First, I want to let you know that I respect the NSX, a well built, refined sports car.

    Producing a 500hp N/A NSX I guarentee you would take major $$, albeit a fast car.

    Japanese manufactures are content with producing small displacement, high technology motors. And because of this trying produce major hp naturally aspirated, is very expensive.

    American manufactures are content (usually) with larger displacement all motor engines (sorry, this means v8's). And this allows modifications to exceed well above 500hp, at the fraction of the cost.

    Which is better? who cares. I prefer the later, only because I can afford to do so.
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  21. I perfer the first, because it can have the same performence with lower price.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b>I perfer the first, because it can have the same performence with lower price.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ok... Now you have me confused.

    You're saying that you can modify a NSX while keeping it naturally aspirated to 500hp+, for less money than say GM's LS1 engine (found in the Corvette, and F-bodys).

    Yes, I'm using V8's as the example for the reasons stated in my previous post. I think you understand my point.

    Please explain how you could possibly modify an NSX N/A to 500+hp for less money than the example given above.<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. 1) I never said the same price would make the same performance.
    2) I never said it can't use turbos or superchargers.
    3) NSX have aftermarkets for the exaulst pipes, the intake, and lots more, there's actual racing parts for the NSXs on streets.<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. Chii

    You are contradicting yourself.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. huh?<!-- Signature -->
     

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