Re: Torque Issue

Discussion in '2002 Mazda RX-8' started by Krazy383, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from quichedem</i>
    <b>I'll tell you what, transamman. You should to stick to writing forums about American-made vehicles if you have such a problem with Japanese cars. What you need to do is realize that pretty much NO car made by the Japanese was designed to blast down a quarter mile. I'll agree that the torque on a rotary engine is nothing great, but think of this: I drove and almost bought a '94 RX-7 which was plagued with the torque issue as all rotaries are. However, that car got up and hauled ass! Whith the twin sequential turbos, this car creates around 255hp. This new NA RX-8 is doing almost the same thing minus the turbos. That's pretty damn impressive. The RX-7 I drove could easily beat the crap out of any stock trans-am, and simple bolt-on applications create ridiculous gains in power for 7's. The rotary engine is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and its potential is staggering to say the least. an example is that Mazda 727B. Check it out. Transamman, you only make yourself look like a turdburgular when you shoot your mouth off about how crappy Jap cars are when those same cars could run circles around your beloved American-made, over-litered, poor-supensioned heavy cars! Go write some forums in the Pontiac section.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->obviously youve never driven an American sports car...funny thing is an NSX has the same lateral acceleration as a Z28 or TransAm .89g, and the gas milage is the same, except u pay 3 times more for the NSX...same gas milage in the S2000, and the Z28/TransAm has better gas milage than the turbo RX7, pretty impressive for a 5.7l engine compared to a 1.3l engine? please(and way less maintenance problems, like seals/gaskets)too bad the rotary engine is very rare, cause reapir costs are astounding when things start to break...and if u want to compare sports cars from Japan and America that are in similar price ranges the Supra costs $5,000 more than a base line Corvette, except the Corvette outcorners it, out accelerates it, and gets a lil better gas milage and has way less over heating problems...shoud i mention the VR-4? try $4-5,000 more...and talk about over weight, the designers should have consulted Jenny Craig first...its got AWD and still the Corvette out accelerates it...most of the Japanese sports cars cost too much, are way under powered, too small, get bad gas milage, hydroplane over water real easy, get tossed in the wind easy, repair costs are expensive, and usually have no torque(ya have to wait for the cracker jack engine to wind up first)...ya want the most bang for you buck...buy American...now, all the Japanese cars i mentioned above i like, except the NSX(WAY overpriced Firehawk), but if youre gonna talk S&*^, expect to to get some back...<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. Torque Issue

    Hardly any torque. This will make this car launch like crap. It needs more power
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SRB The Punisher</i>
    <b>Well ya....I have to admit that American GM 5.7L is kick ass =)
    I love the LS1 and LS6...but I also love how ya can rev so high in a rotary =)
    And much has changed since the 87 Rotaries =P
    As for quality and repairs, so far statistics states that Mazda quality is better than Chevrolet. They considered Chevrolet under industry standards...but then that just Chevy and not the Corvette division which practically has nothing to do with Chevy =P
    As for sedans and cars in general speaking Lexus has rated #1..but then of course my 94 Oldsmobile Royale with a retuned 3.8L V6 (3800 Series II)...yes..I said 3.8L =P big ass puppy pumps out bout 350hp and 360lbs/ft torque =) And this is not maxing out the engine or sticking chargers on it...just tuning and chips =)
    Not bad if I say so =P
    This huge ass family sedan can out accelerate and out run any damn Jap car cept like the Q45 which runs pretty damned fast for a car it's size. But I mean I can outrun Suped up Preludes, Integras, Civics, CRXs, Celicas, Supras....etc...even a NSX once =P
    thank god I redid the entire suspension =P handles nicely.

    but as I was saying...American large bore, large displacement does of course push out alot more torque, and sounds sweet under acceleration, but as for in city driving, it does consume quite alot more gas than 4-bangers if not pushed for performance.....
    the cool thing is the US engines run at such as low RPM and has a good tranny, especially for GM. Auto tranny is the same that BMW uses...yes BMW buys trannys from GM =P

    Anyhow, I love driving american muscle cars, but they sorta big to drive and park in large cities like Toronto, hence i probs will buy a smaller sports coup like the RX8...and I do not think it will lack in torque due to it's amazing high revving abilioties.

    And you gotta remember, if Rotaries suck that much..how come Mazda is the only Jap company to win the Lemans 24h with a rotary =P It beat out Porsche, Panoz, Nissan, Toyota and all those other cars =)

    DA PUN =)
    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->the rotary is a neat design and works well in races because reliability is no concern, even for piston powered cars...in a race, optimum hp/torque takes priority over reliability since they can change engine parts and even engines pretty easy since there are pit crews, and each team has good mechanics...if Mazda can keep the weight down, then its lack of torque wont be too much of a problem along with a 6 speed trans and low ratio final drive gear...i will give it this, at least its RWD, and if they offer a turbocharged version...it will really be fun<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. It's not our fault Ivan can't drive!! :p I've been a big fan of the Supra ever since '94 when it came out with sub 5 second 0-100km/h times, a 1/4 mile of [email protected] and only 320hp standard. Your Vette weighs less, has had more power since 1993 (even earlier if you want to use the ZR1!!) but until 1999 they couldn't match the pure raw speed of the Supra. Plus, I don't see many 1100hp Vettes around that are STREETABLE which the Supra can be even when it's fitted with a GReddy kit at 25lbs. boost and able to rip up bitumen anytime you floor it!!!! Plus, all the stock Supra's are limited to 155mph, I don't see no limiter on the Vette!! C yas!! Mafs!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from jitzu7</i>
    <b>To try and answer Krazy383 question. How can cars with less hp beat cars with more hp. Sometimes it depends on the transmission in the car. For example, I know the New Toyota Celica (best model) can beat a V-6 Camaro or Firebird(samething) from 0-60mph. Typically, (only from my prospective) Japanese car makers concentrate more on the transmissions than the Hp. American car makers tend to be the opposite. Traditionally, in the states tons of hp was the thing to do. American makers are now catching up with the times. In my opinion, American makers are really big doggers - they only care big hp cars(and trucks). Look at the top cars in the states. Corvette(like the new one), mustang(D-), Viper(okay...)..etc. Its not so much the gear ratio, but just how good the transmission is. You also have to take into account the fact that the v-6 camaro..is not a top sports car, whereas the SS Camero is. The Celica(top model)is toyotas top sports car sold in the states right now, so they can affort to maek it a little better. To me, Europeans make the best cars. They offer a lot of hp, torque, and great and I mean great transmissions. The TVR Cerbera 4.2(the what?-I know) is a good example. No corvette, supra or z car can beat it with out some serious up grades..its transmission is just that good. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->u must be referring to my post in the other topic "torque"...i already mentioned gearing...i think u were trying to answer the question i asked in the topic i just mentioned...my question was in reguards to a statement saying something like "the RX8 has a high hp/litre ratio"...and i was trying to show how the hp/l ratio is bull s***...and as far as great transmissions go try driving a Z28 with a borg/warner 6 speed transmission(which can actually handle 400+hp/torque)...have u even driven a Cerbera 4.2? or do u just have a poster of it on your wall?<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Hehehe..yep..agreed. Just because you got a slightly lower torque, high rpms from the Rotary engine and good gear ratio will make you run just as well as the big CC people =P

    oh..btw...did you know GM makes the BMW auto trannies? =P

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  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SRB The Punisher</i>
    <b>Hehehe..yep..agreed. Just because you got a slightly lower torque, high rpms from the Rotary engine and good gear ratio will make you run just as well as the big CC people =P

    oh..btw...did you know GM makes the BMW auto trannies? =P

    DA PUN</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->true...but dont forget the down side to low gear ratios is that u will have a much lower top speed in the effort to gain acceleration, as well as less gas milage...<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. Is that transmission standard????? is 400hp standard..didn't think so
    tvr comes with a standard engine and transmission....I am not saying americans can't put good stuff together. Forgive me I gave you this impression. Also, the TVR Cebera 4.2 cost about 80,000 which makes a Z28 a good buy. To answer your question, I haven't driven a TVR because they don't sell them here. You don't have to play for the LA Lakers to know their good. In other words, I have seen this car in action and its actions speak louder then me driving it. I don't put posters of cars on my walls, by the way.

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  9. I'll tell you what, transamman. You should to stick to writing forums about American-made vehicles if you have such a problem with Japanese cars. What you need to do is realize that pretty much NO car made by the Japanese was designed to blast down a quarter mile. I'll agree that the torque on a rotary engine is nothing great, but think of this: I drove and almost bought a '94 RX-7 which was plagued with the torque issue as all rotaries are. However, that car got up and hauled ass! Whith the twin sequential turbos, this car creates around 255hp. This new NA RX-8 is doing almost the same thing minus the turbos. That's pretty damn impressive. The RX-7 I drove could easily beat the crap out of any stock trans-am, and simple bolt-on applications create ridiculous gains in power for 7's. The rotary engine is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and its potential is staggering to say the least. an example is that Mazda 727B. Check it out. Transamman, you only make yourself look like a turdburgular when you shoot your mouth off about how crappy Jap cars are when those same cars could run circles around your beloved American-made, over-litered, poor-supensioned heavy cars! Go write some forums in the Pontiac section.
     
  10. Hehehe..agreed.
    but then some customed trannies that I have driven were like F1 cars. Close down low from 1-3..then the rations started to spread for 4-6. Sweet how ya can blast off and keep on cruising after =)

    And yep..I agreed, if ya dun know much bout Jap Engine Tech..shaddup and go away =P
    Lol..no offense =P

    Rotaries are sweet =)

    DA PUN

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  11. #11 Krazy383, Aug 10, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from jitzu7</i>
    <b>Is that transmission standard????? is 400hp standard..didn't think so
    tvr comes with a standard engine and transmission....I am not saying americans can't put good stuff together. Forgive me I gave you this impression. Also, the TVR Cebera 4.2 cost about 80,000 which makes a Z28 a good buy. To answer your question, I haven't driven a TVR because they don't sell them here. You don't have to play for the LA Lakers to know their good. In other words, I have seen this car in action and its actions speak louder then me driving it. I don't put posters of cars on my walls, by the way.

    lates</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->actually yes it is standard...the Corvette ZO6, 405hp/400lbs torque...the same goes for the Berger Camaro, which is an option u can choose for the Camaro...check this out... http://www.gmmginc.net/ and the same 6 speed transmission thats in the Corvette is in the Camaro Z28 or SS but not the V6 Camaro...and yes the Z28 is a good buy, which is why i got 1<IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  12. and guess what... i had an 87 RX7(non turbo)...yes it was pepy, but had NO TORQUE...it didnt start making any real power until high in the rpm band...it was fun hearing the engine rev up...but no fun gettin stopmed by higher hp/torque cars...im sure this RX8 is quicker than an 87 RX7, and the competition is even more so...im sure the price will be pretty stiff<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. you dun have enough balls to get this [email protected] crap? then you stick on your TA!
     
  14. well, think before you write

    for a NA motor, the torque is near 20mkg/liter, it's enormous!!! in fact, if the weight is 1200kg, no problem... the power is better than an S2000... I love it!!!
    c'est la super classe!!! même en France on n'a pas ça...<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. thats the problem with tiny engines, no torque...but im sure it makes up for the lack of torque with its 6 speed gear box,low ratio final gear, and (im guessing) light weight...but still, with that lil amount of torque, youd have to launch between a mid to high rpm range to get the same effect as a car with a larger more powerful engine that can launch at a much lower rpm range, so launching at the higher rpm WILL take its toll on the clutch...id prefer a car that had a much larger engine with much more hp and TORQUE so u dont have to wait for the engine to wind up before u get any power...the RX8s looks are not as good as the RX7s...i miss the RX7s, this RX8 looks like a bad cross between a 4 door family car/80s Corvette/Miata/S2000<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. To try and answer Krazy383 question. How can cars with less hp beat cars with more hp. Sometimes it depends on the transmission in the car. For example, I know the New Toyota Celica (best model) can beat a V-6 Camaro or Firebird(samething) from 0-60mph. Typically, (only from my prospective) Japanese car makers concentrate more on the transmissions than the Hp. American car makers tend to be the opposite. Traditionally, in the states tons of hp was the thing to do. American makers are now catching up with the times. In my opinion, American makers are really big doggers - they only care big hp cars(and trucks). Look at the top cars in the states. Corvette(like the new one), mustang(D-), Viper(okay...)..etc. Its not so much the gear ratio, but just how good the transmission is. You also have to take into account the fact that the v-6 camaro..is not a top sports car, whereas the SS Camero is. The Celica(top model)is toyotas top sports car sold in the states right now, so they can affort to maek it a little better. To me, Europeans make the best cars. They offer a lot of hp, torque, and great and I mean great transmissions. The TVR Cerbera 4.2(the what?-I know) is a good example. No corvette, supra or z car can beat it with out some serious up grades..its transmission is just that good. <!-- Signature -->
     
  17. It may be a small engine, but you have to remember it's a rotary engine. No pistons, all the movement from the combustion is done in a circular motion and most of the power is directly transfer with very energy lost to heat or collision. Pistons go in a back and forth motion and tons of energy is lost, it's simple physics! So don't be deceived by the small engine, rotary engines are known for high torque and a practically straight acceleration graph, they are nuts!
     
  18. hehe..yep =)
    But you have to remember the 24 Lemans is not like any race =)
    Any mechnical #$%# ups can cost you the race, so therefore Mazda did awesome with the rotary there =) only Jap company to win Lemans..cool eh?

    Lemans is not like F1 where they race around the track for like bout 100times and it ends..hehe.
    they do more like 500+ time around the track pushing the cars =P

    DA PUN
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  19. i swear ppl, u are too concerned with where the car is made. the important thing is how it performs for the price, and what the potential is. as everyone knows here american cars are much heavyer due to their heavy and strong powerline, but japanese cars are light and so the jap cars usually outhandle the americans. as for power, stock, american and jap cars are bout head to head when it comes to power to weight ratios. some guy mentioned the supra being slowr than the vette. where did he get that from. the supra pulls .98 lateral g's in stock trim, and its detuned twin turbo engine mated to the getrag six speed propelles it to 60mph in less than 5 sec's without powershifts. when the hell di a stock regular vette do that?? were not talkin special edition here btw since the z06 and zr1 are still slower than the akimoto special edition supra. but thats just one comparison. many US cars will beat the jap competiion and still cost less. lets just say that the rx8 is a great ca and love the design and technology it represents and not get carried away with american/japanese loyalty.<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Damn skippy. Man do I wish had nuff money. I would buy cars from each land. Besides a car reflects the owner/manufacturer. Americans are bigger and stronger than japanese people hence bigger and more powerful cars. The Japanese are smaller and more flexible (i really didn't know what to put here so i put flexible) hence their cars are lighter and have better handling. Europeans are more about styling hence their cars have more elagance.

    If your over 6 feet tall ur more likely to buy a american or european car, if ur 5 foot woman with little kids ur more likely to buy a small japanese car. I would know. My mom has a 91 Tercel. A nice little neat car, but way too small for me. When she rented a 2000 Taurus, she loved the acceleration and trunk size, but it was harder for her to see the front of the car.

    It's either one problem or the other. What somebody needs to do is combine european styling, with american power and japanese technology to make an effing amazing car. <!-- Signature -->
     
  21. Yo SRB the Punisher: "oh..btw...did you know GM makes the BMW auto trannies? =P"

    Is that true? WOW!! Actually it doesn't suprise me to much, I'm Pretty sure GM builds Auto Transmissions for Bentley to and BMW owns Rolls Royce so yah I could see that. I love getting new information like that. Totally screw up the American Vs. Import Analogys.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. Well ya....I have to admit that American GM 5.7L is kick ass =)
    I love the LS1 and LS6...but I also love how ya can rev so high in a rotary =)
    And much has changed since the 87 Rotaries =P
    As for quality and repairs, so far statistics states that Mazda quality is better than Chevrolet. They considered Chevrolet under industry standards...but then that just Chevy and not the Corvette division which practically has nothing to do with Chevy =P
    As for sedans and cars in general speaking Lexus has rated #1..but then of course my 94 Oldsmobile Royale with a retuned 3.8L V6 (3800 Series II)...yes..I said 3.8L =P big ass puppy pumps out bout 350hp and 360lbs/ft torque =) And this is not maxing out the engine or sticking chargers on it...just tuning and chips =)
    Not bad if I say so =P
    This huge ass family sedan can out accelerate and out run any damn Jap car cept like the Q45 which runs pretty damned fast for a car it's size. But I mean I can outrun Suped up Preludes, Integras, Civics, CRXs, Celicas, Supras....etc...even a NSX once =P
    thank god I redid the entire suspension =P handles nicely.

    but as I was saying...American large bore, large displacement does of course push out alot more torque, and sounds sweet under acceleration, but as for in city driving, it does consume quite alot more gas than 4-bangers if not pushed for performance.....
    the cool thing is the US engines run at such as low RPM and has a good tranny, especially for GM. Auto tranny is the same that BMW uses...yes BMW buys trannys from GM =P

    Anyhow, I love driving american muscle cars, but they sorta big to drive and park in large cities like Toronto, hence i probs will buy a smaller sports coup like the RX8...and I do not think it will lack in torque due to it's amazing high revving abilioties.

    And you gotta remember, if Rotaries suck that much..how come Mazda is the only Jap company to win the Lemans 24h with a rotary =P It beat out Porsche, Panoz, Nissan, Toyota and all those other cars =)

    DA PUN =)
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  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Janox</i>
    <b>Damn skippy. Man do I wish had nuff money. I would buy cars from each land. Besides a car reflects the owner/manufacturer. Americans are bigger and stronger than japanese people hence bigger and more powerful cars. The Japanese are smaller and more flexible (i really didn't know what to put here so i put flexible) hence their cars are lighter and have better handling. Europeans are more about styling hence their cars have more elagance.

    If your over 6 feet tall ur more likely to buy a american or european car, if ur 5 foot woman with little kids ur more likely to buy a small japanese car. I would know. My mom has a 91 Tercel. A nice little neat car, but way too small for me. When she rented a 2000 Taurus, she loved the acceleration and trunk size, but it was harder for her to see the front of the car.

    It's either one problem or the other. What somebody needs to do is combine european styling, with american power and japanese technology to make an effing amazing car. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    So, are you implying that Americans are simple minded, compared to Japanese people too? Looking at engine design, it would seem that way.
     
  24. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from PORSHE962lovr</i>
    <b>when the hell di a stock regular vette do that?? .</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->the Vette did it back in 1997...<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. and yes...we can go on for months about which cars are faster...theres always a bigger dog<!-- Signature -->
     

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